Reply #128

In the discussion thread: Vote for Democrats. We have no choice, really. [View all]

Sun May 20, 2012, 08:21 AM

treestar (40,421 posts)

128. We aren't just victims

We are self governing. This type of thing is cult of personality. You expect the leaders to lead us into nirvana - that they have the power and we just receive the goodies if the leaders are good enough. We elect and choose the leaders. We are not just their "victims."

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131 replies	Author	Time	Post
Vote for Democrats. We have no choice, really. [View all]	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	OP
I find it ironic that you invoke FDR.	TheWraith	May 2012	#1
In FDR's first four years, unemployment dropped by 40% and	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#4
And then	ProSense	May 2012	#7
If it went from 25% to 12% in his first 4 years, Manny's wrong. It dropped 52%.	rug	May 2012	#9
Not quite, but your graph does have value	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#12
So FDR gets a pass for not being a "full-fledged Liberal" but you're holding your nose for Obama?!	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#15
At least FDR was willing to try Liberal policies	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#22
What do you mean "FDR" tried them? Without that Congress, none of it could have	treestar	May 2012	#126
Really?	ProSense	May 2012	#17
Really.	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#23
I'm guessing the exclamation point at the end.	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#30
Actually,	ProSense	May 2012	#32
You must think I'm some sort of idealogue	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#33
Did you	ProSense	May 2012	#36
H...	Luminous Animal	May 2012	#40
Yes. My mother is an expert on this. She lived through that time.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#55
People easily forget who Obama's first Chief of Staff (Rahm Emmanuel) was and	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#113
Don't be deterred. We can do better..	mvd	May 2012	#8
Yes	ProSense	May 2012	#10
We just won't agree all the time. But..	mvd	May 2012	#14
Times have changed ALOT since FDR	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#13
Given that imports and exports were only a small percentage of GDP back then	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#16
That's exactly my point. We made stuff HERE and our citizens bought stuff made HERE.	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#19
So you'll join me in fighting "free" trade agreements?	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#25
Except you're not fighting anything, except here on DU. Meanwhile, I'm in the streets OFTEN.	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#50
LOL. That's not fair!	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#69
And then	ProSense	May 2012	#21
Reciprocal trade agreements can work.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#59
"Free" Trade is bad	Icicle	May 2012	#89
"Trade agreements" are what we have	bhikkhu	May 2012	#121
And then our greedy millionaires decided they could make more money if they	JDPriestly	May 2012	#57
Not to mention the Pecora Commission which educated Americans about the	JDPriestly	May 2012	#54
The Pecora Commission	ProSense	May 2012	#56
Bush and the Republicans? Who cares. They left when the realization	JDPriestly	May 2012	#63
The Pecora Commission	ProSense	May 2012	#74
Given that Bush prosecuted more financial fraud than Obama...	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#67
Yeah,	ProSense	May 2012	#71
I'm a fan of Bush? Really?	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#73
You keep	ProSense	May 2012	#76
Correlation does not imply causation	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#84
It was not FDR alone	treestar	May 2012	#125
Thank you!.	nevergiveup	May 2012	#5
FDR Was Elected To FOUR TERMS... 'Nuff Said...	WillyT	May 2012	#37
He rounded up American citizens into internment camps. Obama more progressive. NUFF SAID!	FarLeftFist	May 2012	#51
If we were at war, let's say, with Mexico, who knows what Obama would do.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#60
Seriously? Not if you go by economics only.	mmonk	May 2012	#66
How many Japanese-Americans were killed by the camps?	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#68
So	ProSense	May 2012	#72
Which part of "Interning Japanese-Americans was wrong." do	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#75
So why	ProSense	May 2012	#77
Already explained. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#83
Wow... Your Sweeping Grasp Of History Is Truly...	WillyT	May 2012	#86
According to my parents who lived through the Depression and my mother,	JDPriestly	May 2012	#53
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!	WillyT	May 2012	#87
I still have some sugar ration stamps. Sheets of them.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#96
Jesus Christ, people!	ibegurpard	May 2012	#58
Sore winners. nt	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#98
Or maybe we don't believe you're being genuine...nt	SidDithers	May 2012	#108
Don't you have anyone in your own party that needs loyalty testing?	Dragonfli	May 2012	#116
...	SidDithers	May 2012	#118
.	Dragonfli	May 2012	#119
It's interesting how these vociferous critics	treestar	May 2012	#127
Damn! That thread got 238 recs! That's gotta be up there for DU3!	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#2
me, too... n/t	chervilant	May 2012	#97
Your post, while strongly put, had good points	mvd	May 2012	#3
Yeah,	ProSense	May 2012	#6
Pro ...	slipslidingaway	May 2012	#38
Apparently,	ProSense	May 2012	#46
you seem to ignore facts and data	krawhitham	May 2012	#48
Speaking of	ProSense	May 2012	#49
They should get a friend who agrees with them and start walking their precinct.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#62
Actually,	ProSense	May 2012	#80
Ah, a list of "accomplishments." How original.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#61
False.	ProSense	May 2012	#79
I am amazed at folks I know who eat beans often	Thinkingabout	May 2012	#11
Manny. I am moderate. But like you, Liz Warren has my vote.	bluestate10	May 2012	#18
Well, I'd give you a run for your money.	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#24
The last Republican I voted for was Sen. Nancy Landon Kassebaum	longship	May 2012	#20
I agreed with your post last night, and I agree with this post today.	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#26
"I will never work against a Dem."	ProSense	May 2012	#27
Yep. A lot of us here are of the same mind.	Zorra	May 2012	#28
I'll do what I can	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#31
Our best bet is to make sure the majority in both houses	Jamaal510	May 2012	#29
+1000	abelenkpe	May 2012	#42
+10,000!	lunasun	May 2012	#47
Here is a choice.	Herlong	May 2012	#34
Should he look at pictures of kittens and bunny wabbits too?	just1voice	May 2012	#91
No choice is a tough pill to swallow!	Amster Dan	May 2012	#35
Vote for Democrats but take a long look in the mirror.	pa28	May 2012	#39
Voting democratic is why I CAN look in the mirror.	Herlong	May 2012	#41
I was all ready to say "you forgot the sarcasm smiley", but	NashvilleLefty	May 2012	#43
It's also about the realization that if we don't get out the vote, our vote is pointless.	Herlong	May 2012	#45
As a woman of course I vote D	abelenkpe	May 2012	#44
I'm with you, Manny. And I, too, am fortunate enough to get to vote for one	JDPriestly	May 2012	#52
I pretty much vote a straight ticket these days.	Rhiannon12866	May 2012	#64
yah that pretty much sums up my feelings too	Douglas Carpenter	May 2012	#65
Thank you	DonCoquixote	May 2012	#70
Bottom line	jambo101	May 2012	#78
dem party = vote for us, we suck less.	KG	May 2012	#81
Just can't bring yourself to say "Vote for Obama", eh?...nt	SidDithers	May 2012	#82
Neither can I.	bvar22	May 2012	#88
Well, he said he would vote for Democrats plural and encouraged others to as well, How many Dems	Dragonfli	May 2012	#99
...	SidDithers	May 2012	#100
.	Dragonfli	May 2012	#103
Thanks!	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#102
I have perhaps 100 replies to me consisting of nothing but dots and a smiley.	Dragonfli	May 2012	#107
Obama's not a Democrat?	morningfog	May 2012	#105
All Democrats are Obama?...nt	SidDithers	May 2012	#110
Wouldn't a vote for Democrats, especially in General Forum, include Obama?	morningfog	May 2012	#112
Maybe it would be a good idea to NOT spend the next 6 months discouraging people about Democrats	scheming daemons	May 2012	#85
Hmmm... Maybe we can make a deal...	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#94
Maybe it's not the people who are at fault, maybe if Democrats start working for those	sabrina 1	May 2012	#104
We aren't just victims	treestar	May 2012	#128
We really do not choose our leaders. There are selection committees that choose who will run with	sabrina 1	May 2012	#129
Exactly	just1voice	May 2012	#90
That would look great on a bumper sticker,	KamaAina	May 2012	#92
Occupy.	Fire Walk With Me	May 2012	#93
!!!	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#95
Lots of people.... Good to see....	midnight	May 2012	#101
I wanted to reply to your post but to be honest I have reached the same conclusions	Dragonfli	May 2012	#106
...	SidDithers	May 2012	#109
.	Dragonfli	May 2012	#117
Seems like a lot of us have reached the same conclusion!	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#122
As always, straight Dem ticket for me.	SammyWinstonJack	May 2012	#111
This post was hidden by jury decision.	peace pilgrim 19	May 2012	#114
I, for one, appreciate your willingness to see both sides of the situation.	randome	May 2012	#115
Thanks for your half-hearted and belated	MineralMan	May 2012	#120
Looking for a full-throated endorsement of "free" trade, lower corporate taxes,	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#123
I have a choice	nolabels	May 2012	#124
not good enough Manny!! Unless you can love and believe in President Obama and the Democratic Party	Douglas Carpenter	May 2012	#130
For a certain group, clearly.	MannyGoldstein	May 2012	#131

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