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21. So Moore's is a false story? Or biased? Pilots once had 'free' military training, but not now:
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:46 PM
Aug 2015
It's Truly Terrifying That Some Pilots Earn Near Minimum Wage



By Emily Cohn - 02/12/2014

The next time you're flying in an airplane consider this: The person operating the aircraft might not be making much more than the person who made the Egg McMuffin you ate for breakfast.

That's right. According to the Wall Street Journal, new airline pilots rank among the lowest-paid workers in the country, with some regional pilots earning as little as $15,000 per year.

That's horrifying for a number of obvious reasons. For one, $15,000 -- or even $22,400 a year, the starting salary for pilots at 14 regional airlines -- is lower than the federal poverty line for a family of four in the U.S.

It's also startling because of the extraordinary price of becoming a pilot in the first place. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, airline pilots usually need a bachelor's degree, a pilot's license, and certification that requires hundreds of hours of flight training. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, the cost of training flights alone can set you back more than $100,000...


More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/pilots-minimum-wage_n_4775989.html

'Flying Cheap': Buckle up, indeed

By Hank Stuever - February 9, 2010

Anyone who regularly travels to the less glamorous American cities knows what happens after a layover in the hub: Your ticket may say Delta or United or Continental, but that's not exactly true now, is it? For the last leg, to, say, Wichita, you're flying Colgan, Pinnacle -- who? Hunh?

Buckle up and enjoy a renewed sense of doom from watching -- what else? -- the always grim but journalistically committed "Frontline." In Tuesday night's installment, "Flying Cheap," producer Rick Young and aviation correspondent Miles O'Brien examine the unsavory business practices and regulation-skirting circumstances that may have led to the crash a year ago of Continental Flight 3407 in Buffalo, which killed 50 people. The flying had been outsourced to Manassas-based Colgan Air. (Results of a National Transportation Safety Board investigation last week blamed pilot error in the crash.)

"Frontline" almost never fails to make its case, but it seems fairly easy to make here, through interviews with former pilots, Federal Aviation Administration investigators and grieving relatives of those who died on Flight 3407. Cockpit transcripts reveal two underpaid, unexperienced pilots yawning and complaining about their grueling commutes. They lost control of their plane just a month after the nation had been celebrating the cool, experienced reserve shown by Chesley Sullenberger, who successfully landed his disabled US Airways jetliner in the Hudson River with no casualties. The difference? A captain like Sully is expensive.

That cheap ticket you found online is the byproduct of deregulation in the extreme, which allows major carriers to transfer to smaller carriers the high-cost (and all liabilities) of what once might have been a costlier, premium flight. According to "Frontline," half of all domestic flights are now handled by smaller carriers, no matter what the brand-name logo on the plane's tail might suggest. And, as it happens, the last six fatal crashes in the United States involved commuter flights.

For these carriers to turn a profit, "Frontline" reports, rookie pilots are pushed into the captain's (or first officer's) seats, and poorly paid. Although this isn't exactly news, "Flying Cheap's" most fascinating moments are when the cameras accompany an unidentified group of pilots into their "crash pad" -- a two-bedroom, airport-proximate apartment in an unnamed Northeastern city where as many as a dozen pilots split the rent. Forced to commute cross-country and then fly, some earn as little as $16,000 a year to start...


More at the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/08/AR2010020803502.html

I remember when airline travel was really good. At times, not so good. I've been on flights with a lot of room, others like sardine cans. I remember getting on a special with American Airlines in the summer. So many flights were lined up, that we were left on the tarmack which was over 100 degrees for almost two hours with no water, drinks or A/C. I never took a special again, as my kid nearly had a heat stroke. They have really cut expenses with de-regulation.

I am horrified that paramedics only make $15hr. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #1
part of the problem for emts is that it's a volunteer job in many places. unblock Aug 2015 #3
as a med lab tech, I started at $16.39/hr. per diem. no benefits at all and no magical thyme Aug 2015 #5
I recently interviewed for a scientific research job that paid roughly that. GoCubsGo Aug 2015 #15
it's ridiculous. utterly ridiculous. magical thyme Aug 2015 #53
It's also what happens when your country is run by the small-government, anti-science crowd. GoCubsGo Aug 2015 #58
That is amazing especially when you consider how much Maraya1969 Aug 2015 #56
Didn't Moore's capitalism movie say that new airline pilots made miminum wage and worked long hours freshwest Aug 2015 #14
I know several commercial pilots and none of them make that little. 7962 Aug 2015 #18
So Moore's is a false story? Or biased? Pilots once had 'free' military training, but not now: freshwest Aug 2015 #21
My father does taxes for several retired airline pilots. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #40
Oh, I know those retired guys made a LOT of money, had great benefits, etc. Then this 2-tiered thin freshwest Aug 2015 #51
They are also having touble getting new pilots The Jungle 1 Aug 2015 #64
If they are flying regional awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #22
Yes, but thats still a lot higher than minimum wage nt 7962 Aug 2015 #23
A lot of it depends on where they work TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #24
Do they charge less for ambulance rides out in Texas? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #39
The only ambulance bill I've ever gotten TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #60
Probably a grand in town, in rural places you only get the hospital bill. freshwest Aug 2015 #66
I hate that sort of schadenfreude daredtowork Aug 2015 #25
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #67
Exactly my reaction. And consider how expensive the ambulance ride is... lostnfound Aug 2015 #33
Many of the Folks who are EMT's and other Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #2
What a low wage--I thought it was higher too.... MADem Aug 2015 #4
K&R Awesome argument! justaddh2o Aug 2015 #6
Everyone should make a living wage. herding cats Aug 2015 #7
People giving you IVs and shots and working defibrillators make $15/hr.? Geez Louise. tclambert Aug 2015 #8
Yeah, if they're lucky. GoCubsGo Aug 2015 #16
Do people here really not understand why the wage is so low dumbcat Aug 2015 #9
Oh do explain it to me Krytan11c Aug 2015 #17
Jesus. I really didn't think anyone would admit dumbcat Aug 2015 #20
Not because they're willing. tazkcmo Aug 2015 #27
Willing is a funny way of putting it Krytan11c Aug 2015 #28
Tenet, not tenant Sanity Claws Aug 2015 #29
Thank you for the correction dumbcat Aug 2015 #34
Sophomoric and Two Dimensional ProfessorGAC Aug 2015 #31
Right back at ya. Jesus. stillwaiting Aug 2015 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Aug 2015 #35
Uh, no. Cal Carpenter Aug 2015 #36
So why don't those workers dumbcat Aug 2015 #38
Because EMS doesn't work that way Krytan11c Aug 2015 #42
So, it requires dumbcat Aug 2015 #44
Lordy Jeebus Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #46
I'm sorry to shatter your hope, but dumbcat Aug 2015 #48
My "hope" Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #50
Duh, it's "tenet", not "tenant" Divernan Aug 2015 #61
Thank you for your correction dumbcat Aug 2015 #62
Just tone down the arrogance. Divernan Aug 2015 #65
I'll be dismissive to anyone I fucking please dumbcat Aug 2015 #69
Stay Classy! Divernan Aug 2015 #70
Too bad there is not an autocorrect ashling Aug 2015 #71
Living up to your name. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #41
So you are saying that the workers dumbcat Aug 2015 #43
No, you don't. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #45
Oh, I totally understand dumbcat Aug 2015 #47
Did you miss the Fight for $15 movement? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #49
K&R! Omaha Steve Aug 2015 #10
Now I agree that EMTs everywhere should make more than $15 pipoman Aug 2015 #11
I salute Mr. Rushing Jack Rabbit Aug 2015 #12
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #13
The last thing we should be bamboozled into SheilaT Aug 2015 #19
K&R valerief Aug 2015 #26
Some things to keep in mind here Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #30
Minimum wage demographics melm00se Aug 2015 #37
of course this is from like 15 years ago but I used to hire EMS workers to do paratransit TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #52
10% of Police officer nationwide earn less then $15.88 a hour, EMT less then $9.95 per hour happyslug Aug 2015 #54
No wonder I felt fleeced after those $1000 ambulance rides Astraea Aug 2015 #55
"It's a big club and YOU ain't in it ..." V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #57
Brilliant. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #68
K&R. Couldn't have said it better myself. ion_theory Aug 2015 #59
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #63
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