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bvar22

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88. Neither can I.

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:53 PM

May 2012

I am an OLD Democrat who still remembers what a Democrat is supposed to do.
I cannot enthusiastically endorse Centrist Politicians selling old Republican Policy.

...but I also agree that any current Republican in the White House would be worse.
It is vitally important that the Democratic Party remain in control of the White House.
For THAT reason, I will help President Obama retain the White House,
but I just can't pretend that everything is Peachy,
and I am happy with Centrist Triangulation as a Political ideology.

Will YOU be voting for Obama?
I don't think so.

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Vote for Democrats. We have no choice, really. [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2012 OP

I find it ironic that you invoke FDR. TheWraith May 2012 #1

In FDR's first four years, unemployment dropped by 40% and MannyGoldstein May 2012 #4

And then ProSense May 2012 #7

If it went from 25% to 12% in his first 4 years, Manny's wrong. It dropped 52%. rug May 2012 #9

Not quite, but your graph does have value MannyGoldstein May 2012 #12

So FDR gets a pass for not being a "full-fledged Liberal" but you're holding your nose for Obama?! FarLeftFist May 2012 #15

At least FDR was willing to try Liberal policies MannyGoldstein May 2012 #22

What do you mean "FDR" tried them? Without that Congress, none of it could have treestar May 2012 #126

Really? ProSense May 2012 #17

Really. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #23

I'm guessing the exclamation point at the end. Luminous Animal May 2012 #30

Actually, ProSense May 2012 #32

You must think I'm some sort of idealogue MannyGoldstein May 2012 #33

Did you ProSense May 2012 #36

H... Luminous Animal May 2012 #40

Yes. My mother is an expert on this. She lived through that time. JDPriestly May 2012 #55

People easily forget who Obama's first Chief of Staff (Rahm Emmanuel) was and coalition_unwilling May 2012 #113

Don't be deterred. We can do better.. mvd May 2012 #8

Yes ProSense May 2012 #10

We just won't agree all the time. But.. mvd May 2012 #14

Times have changed ALOT since FDR FarLeftFist May 2012 #13

Given that imports and exports were only a small percentage of GDP back then MannyGoldstein May 2012 #16

That's exactly my point. We made stuff HERE and our citizens bought stuff made HERE. FarLeftFist May 2012 #19

So you'll join me in fighting "free" trade agreements? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #25

Except you're not fighting anything, except here on DU. Meanwhile, I'm in the streets OFTEN. FarLeftFist May 2012 #50

LOL. That's not fair! MannyGoldstein May 2012 #69

And then ProSense May 2012 #21

Reciprocal trade agreements can work. JDPriestly May 2012 #59

"Free" Trade is bad Icicle May 2012 #89

"Trade agreements" are what we have bhikkhu May 2012 #121

And then our greedy millionaires decided they could make more money if they JDPriestly May 2012 #57

Not to mention the Pecora Commission which educated Americans about the JDPriestly May 2012 #54

The Pecora Commission ProSense May 2012 #56

Bush and the Republicans? Who cares. They left when the realization JDPriestly May 2012 #63

The Pecora Commission ProSense May 2012 #74

Given that Bush prosecuted more financial fraud than Obama... MannyGoldstein May 2012 #67

Yeah, ProSense May 2012 #71

I'm a fan of Bush? Really? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #73

You keep ProSense May 2012 #76

Correlation does not imply causation MannyGoldstein May 2012 #84

It was not FDR alone treestar May 2012 #125

Thank you!. nevergiveup May 2012 #5

FDR Was Elected To FOUR TERMS... 'Nuff Said... WillyT May 2012 #37

He rounded up American citizens into internment camps. Obama more progressive. NUFF SAID! FarLeftFist May 2012 #51

If we were at war, let's say, with Mexico, who knows what Obama would do. JDPriestly May 2012 #60

Seriously? Not if you go by economics only. mmonk May 2012 #66

How many Japanese-Americans were killed by the camps? MannyGoldstein May 2012 #68

So ProSense May 2012 #72

Which part of "Interning Japanese-Americans was wrong." do MannyGoldstein May 2012 #75

So why ProSense May 2012 #77

Already explained. nt MannyGoldstein May 2012 #83

Wow... Your Sweeping Grasp Of History Is Truly... WillyT May 2012 #86

According to my parents who lived through the Depression and my mother, JDPriestly May 2012 #53

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT May 2012 #87

I still have some sugar ration stamps. Sheets of them. JDPriestly May 2012 #96

Jesus Christ, people! ibegurpard May 2012 #58

Sore winners. nt MannyGoldstein May 2012 #98

Or maybe we don't believe you're being genuine...nt SidDithers May 2012 #108

Don't you have anyone in your own party that needs loyalty testing? Dragonfli May 2012 #116

... SidDithers May 2012 #118

. Dragonfli May 2012 #119

It's interesting how these vociferous critics treestar May 2012 #127

Damn! That thread got 238 recs! That's gotta be up there for DU3! Poll_Blind May 2012 #2

me, too... n/t chervilant May 2012 #97

Your post, while strongly put, had good points mvd May 2012 #3

Yeah, ProSense May 2012 #6

Pro ... slipslidingaway May 2012 #38

Apparently, ProSense May 2012 #46

you seem to ignore facts and data krawhitham May 2012 #48

Speaking of ProSense May 2012 #49

They should get a friend who agrees with them and start walking their precinct. JDPriestly May 2012 #62

Actually, ProSense May 2012 #80

Ah, a list of "accomplishments." How original. JDPriestly May 2012 #61

False. ProSense May 2012 #79

I am amazed at folks I know who eat beans often Thinkingabout May 2012 #11

Manny. I am moderate. But like you, Liz Warren has my vote. bluestate10 May 2012 #18

Well, I'd give you a run for your money. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #24

The last Republican I voted for was Sen. Nancy Landon Kassebaum longship May 2012 #20

I agreed with your post last night, and I agree with this post today. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #26

"I will never work against a Dem." ProSense May 2012 #27

Yep. A lot of us here are of the same mind. Zorra May 2012 #28

I'll do what I can MannyGoldstein May 2012 #31

Our best bet is to make sure the majority in both houses Jamaal510 May 2012 #29

+1000 abelenkpe May 2012 #42

+10,000! lunasun May 2012 #47

Here is a choice. Herlong May 2012 #34

Should he look at pictures of kittens and bunny wabbits too? just1voice May 2012 #91

No choice is a tough pill to swallow! Amster Dan May 2012 #35

Vote for Democrats but take a long look in the mirror. pa28 May 2012 #39

Voting democratic is why I CAN look in the mirror. Herlong May 2012 #41

I was all ready to say "you forgot the sarcasm smiley", but NashvilleLefty May 2012 #43

It's also about the realization that if we don't get out the vote, our vote is pointless. Herlong May 2012 #45

As a woman of course I vote D abelenkpe May 2012 #44

I'm with you, Manny. And I, too, am fortunate enough to get to vote for one JDPriestly May 2012 #52

I pretty much vote a straight ticket these days. Rhiannon12866 May 2012 #64

yah that pretty much sums up my feelings too Douglas Carpenter May 2012 #65

Thank you DonCoquixote May 2012 #70

Bottom line jambo101 May 2012 #78

dem party = vote for us, we suck less. KG May 2012 #81

Just can't bring yourself to say "Vote for Obama", eh?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #82

Neither can I. bvar22 May 2012 #88

Well, he said he would vote for Democrats plural and encouraged others to as well, How many Dems Dragonfli May 2012 #99

... SidDithers May 2012 #100

. Dragonfli May 2012 #103

Thanks! MannyGoldstein May 2012 #102

I have perhaps 100 replies to me consisting of nothing but dots and a smiley. Dragonfli May 2012 #107

Obama's not a Democrat? morningfog May 2012 #105

All Democrats are Obama?...nt SidDithers May 2012 #110

Wouldn't a vote for Democrats, especially in General Forum, include Obama? morningfog May 2012 #112

Maybe it would be a good idea to NOT spend the next 6 months discouraging people about Democrats scheming daemons May 2012 #85

Hmmm... Maybe we can make a deal... MannyGoldstein May 2012 #94

Maybe it's not the people who are at fault, maybe if Democrats start working for those sabrina 1 May 2012 #104

We aren't just victims treestar May 2012 #128

We really do not choose our leaders. There are selection committees that choose who will run with sabrina 1 May 2012 #129

Exactly just1voice May 2012 #90

That would look great on a bumper sticker, KamaAina May 2012 #92

Occupy. Fire Walk With Me May 2012 #93

!!! MannyGoldstein May 2012 #95

Lots of people.... Good to see.... midnight May 2012 #101

I wanted to reply to your post but to be honest I have reached the same conclusions Dragonfli May 2012 #106

... SidDithers May 2012 #109

. Dragonfli May 2012 #117

Seems like a lot of us have reached the same conclusion! MannyGoldstein May 2012 #122

As always, straight Dem ticket for me. SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #111

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #114

I, for one, appreciate your willingness to see both sides of the situation. randome May 2012 #115

Thanks for your half-hearted and belated MineralMan May 2012 #120

Looking for a full-throated endorsement of "free" trade, lower corporate taxes, MannyGoldstein May 2012 #123

I have a choice nolabels May 2012 #124

not good enough Manny!! Unless you can love and believe in President Obama and the Democratic Party Douglas Carpenter May 2012 #130

For a certain group, clearly. MannyGoldstein May 2012 #131