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In the discussion thread: At this point in time, has the autopsy report changed your view of Zimmerman's guilt? [View all]

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Thu May 17, 2012, 06:01 PM

RedSpartan (1,133 posts)

102. No, it only strenthens my view of what I think happened.

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Zimmerman stalked a young kid because he was black.

Travon felt threatened by the man stalking him for no reason. He tried to briskly get away. Zimmerman gave chase.

Travon stood his ground and defended himself from the stalker.

Zimmerman retaliated with deadly force.

The irony here, I think, is that BOTH men felt threatened and BOTH men "stood their ground." But it was Travon who did so first.

In the end, it is Zimmerman who, against the orders of the emergency responders, caused the situtation that led to Travon's death. For that he is, at the absolute least, morally culpable.

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At this point in time, has the autopsy report changed your view of Zimmerman's guilt? [View all]	Stinky The Clown	May 2012	OP
No.	marybourg	May 2012	#1
The doctor was his family doctor so... I throw out anything that he says, in light of the pictures	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#2
I decided a long time ago that Zimmerman's actions were morally wrong. I am still undecided...	slackmaster	May 2012	#3
Hell no.	EOTE	May 2012	#4
No	ananda	May 2012	#5
No!	K.T.M.	May 2012	#6
The small child was over 6 feet tall.	dkf	May 2012	#16
I believe the poster was being sarcastic. nt.	Mariana	May 2012	#36
Yes	obamanut2012	May 2012	#77
and has been shown the door.	NoGOPZone	May 2012	#83
I didn't realize it was sarcasm - thought it was hyperbole.	Chemisse	May 2012	#99
Welcome to DU	obamanut2012	May 2012	#78
No	DJ13	May 2012	#7
Is that a loaded question? nt	Remmah2	May 2012	#8
No. But I knew that is how some would see it.	Stinky The Clown	May 2012	#9
Makes me wonder what has happened to our justice system.	Remmah2	May 2012	#19
What does nt mean	LACarMan	May 2012	#29
Same as NTXT nt	Remmah2	May 2012	#35
Heh, why would you think that answered his/her question?	Stinky The Clown	May 2012	#37
What's the problem? nt	Remmah2	May 2012	#159
So nt means no text?	LACarMan	May 2012	#175
Sometimes the message-text box has to have a minimum input. So...	Remmah2	May 2012	#177
I remember a few years ago when I asked that very same question.	Chemisse	May 2012	#101
In case you haven't received a decent reply as of yet...	EOTE	May 2012	#103
It means there is no message in the body of the post,	Chemisse	May 2012	#104
No. You don't shoot someone for punching you in the nose	treestar	May 2012	#10
Actually, you can shoot someone for punching you in the nose. What you CAN'T do is pick a fight,	slackmaster	May 2012	#14
You no doubt do NOT shoot someone while being punched in the nose on the ground	uponit7771	May 2012	#24
It seems to me it would be very difficult to do so	slackmaster	May 2012	#47
And not from an 'intermediate distance" nt	stevenleser	May 2012	#132
He was shot from intermediate range, not up close.	alarimer	May 2012	#154
You are mistaken about what intermediate range means in this context. Google some definitions.	slackmaster	May 2012	#161
Just to expound on what you said...	TheWraith	May 2012	#94
Getting punched in the nose is not fatal	treestar	May 2012	#109
I disagree completely. Any blow to the head can be fatal, or cause a person to fall and receive...	slackmaster	May 2012	#160
I haven't made up my mind yet	B2G	May 2012	#11
I haven't either.	badtoworse	May 2012	#12
Perhaps a better question would be, George Zimmerman is on medication which can be used for ADHD..	nenagh	May 2012	#13
I havent seen the actual report anywhere online	NoGOPZone	May 2012	#15
no, the facts remain the same.	Bluerthanblue	May 2012	#17
My view of what happened hasn't changed since the very beginning	RZM	May 2012	#18
Between the police's poor job investagating the scene, and the media sensationalizing the story,	ZombieHorde	May 2012	#20
Nope.	Iggo	May 2012	#21
No.	Lugnut	May 2012	#22
**THE REPORT IS FALSE, NO INJURIES TO KNUCKES IT WAS SMALL CUT ON FINGER***	uponit7771	May 2012	#23
Unfortunately, that small cut on the finger is more than enough to	Solomon	May 2012	#30
Yeap, some will look for any reason to justify ZMans actions	uponit7771	May 2012	#34
No	dwilso40641	May 2012	#25
His injuries aren't the relevant point...	brooklynite	May 2012	#26
+1	uponit7771	May 2012	#27
exactly! I don't see that point made often enough	renate	May 2012	#91
That is so true.	Chemisse	May 2012	#105
No. My opinion is that Zimmerman never should've left his car	deutsey	May 2012	#28
Especially since the police dispatcher told him to back off and stand down.	mac56	May 2012	#32
+1	uponit7771	May 2012	#43
I still don't know enough to come to any conclusion.	dkf	May 2012	#31
Reasonable fear of his life	cthulu2016	May 2012	#33
This message was self-deleted by its author	HangOnKids	May 2012	#44
Strange You say You Don't Know Enough To Come To A Conclusion	HangOnKids	May 2012	#45
I don't read it that way at all	metalbot	May 2012	#63
We don't need no stinkin' legal system	B2G	May 2012	#66
Wow Can You Paint My BackYard Fence With That Broad Brush?	HangOnKids	May 2012	#69
I wasn't chatting with you to begin with	B2G	May 2012	#73
Fine And Dandy	HangOnKids	May 2012	#67
Self defense is an affirmative defense, though	treestar	May 2012	#110
This post was hidden by jury decision.	CatWoman	May 2012	#53
LOL.....N/T	BronxBoy	May 2012	#56
Bow Down To Pithy Greatness!	HangOnKids	May 2012	#58
and what, exactly was he afraid of: the hoodie? the skittles? or the skin color?	noiretextatique	May 2012	#61
he was so scared he got out of his truck to pursue martin..	frylock	May 2012	#86
So if Trayvon had shot and killed Zimmerman, you would be ok with that too?	yardwork	May 2012	#122
If they had been fighting over the gun and he shot Zimmerman...	dkf	May 2012	#131
What if there was no fighting over the gun? What if Trayvon had had a gun and shot Zimmerman?	yardwork	May 2012	#135
If Zimmerman was over Martin and pounding on him then yes I would consider	dkf	May 2012	#139
That's not what I'm saying. I'm asking you to reverse the people and keep everything else the same.	yardwork	May 2012	#140
If he felt threatened while being beaten up then yes.	dkf	May 2012	#143
What if he was not being beaten up and didn't have a gun pulled on him? Still ok?	yardwork	May 2012	#144
He had to have been reasonably in fear of his life.	dkf	May 2012	#158
If being followed doesn't qualify, then how was Zimmerman in fear of his life?	yardwork	May 2012	#166
At least according to his story it's because he was getting his head bashed in	Travelman	May 2012	#168
But you stated that you were certain that Zimmerman was in fear of his life.	yardwork	May 2012	#170
I did?	Travelman	May 2012	#174
Neither do I.	Skip Intro	May 2012	#134
That sums up my point of view as well. Nicely said.	Vattel	May 2012	#151
to the right.... to the right....	fascisthunter	May 2012	#150
No.	jp11	May 2012	#38
What we DO know is that Trayvon was scared of the adult stranger that had been following him and	blm	May 2012	#41
That's what gets me. We know what both states of mind were before the crap went	Solomon	May 2012	#93
Exactly.	Lilyeye	May 2012	#115
No. I say a gun shouldn't end a fight - especially a fight where a teen was standing his ground	blm	May 2012	#39
Not at all	NoPasaran	May 2012	#40
Not at all. Confirms what I've thought. It will be interesting to see if	sinkingfeeling	May 2012	#42
Yes. An eyewitness was on TV the very next day after the shooting.	GreenStormCloud	May 2012	#60
and another witness disputes that wtinesses' claims	noiretextatique	May 2012	#64
Here is the link:	GreenStormCloud	May 2012	#90
Wow. I hadn't seen that. Martin was on top beating Zimmerman?	Hassin Bin Sober	May 2012	#157
my nose is broken, but i don't seek medical attention	noiretextatique	May 2012	#65
WTF?	cthulu2016	May 2012	#72
then why bring it up? i guess he's using it as an excuse for murder	noiretextatique	May 2012	#80
Yes	pscot	May 2012	#46
Why? The autopsy shows the boy has a cut on his finger.	vaberella	May 2012	#87
You need 12 jurors to agree it was murder	pscot	May 2012	#146
No.	Ganja Ninja	May 2012	#48
no.	barbtries	May 2012	#49
The 911 call indicates Zimmerman brought the fight to Trayvon.	Courtesy Flush	May 2012	#50
No. I always believed that Trayvon hit him, and that Zimmerman was still a murderer.	ieoeja	May 2012	#51
Where can I see those myspace postings?	Lilyeye	May 2012	#118
No	jwirr	May 2012	#52
I have my own opinions	Meiko	May 2012	#54
The Trail Of What?	HangOnKids	May 2012	#59
Pictures don't lie	marlakay	May 2012	#55
No. Zimmerman's story still makes no sense to me.	Tommy_Carcetti	May 2012	#57
the bastard is guilty as sin	noiretextatique	May 2012	#62
The autopsy report has not changed my view much, which is that	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#68
he was carrying a gun	bowens43	May 2012	#70
My opinion is really irrelevant.	MineralMan	May 2012	#71
No, I still think the shooting was unjustified. n/t	RebelOne	May 2012	#74
Not in the least.	99Forever	May 2012	#75
Confirmed my thoughts -- only two wounds on Travyon	obamanut2012	May 2012	#76
I'll wait for the prosecutions case and the evidence they offer.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#79
NYT just had an article deterring missteps by the police in investigating the case	alp227	May 2012	#81
No!! What the hell was Zimmerman doing harrassing somebody who was just walking	WI_DEM	May 2012	#82
nope	frylock	May 2012	#84
Yes. It's cemented it.	mwooldri	May 2012	#85
i haven't heard of any new info that changes anything. Zimmerman is still a murdering thug	JI7	May 2012	#88
I have no clue if he is guilty or not.	NCTraveler	May 2012	#89
No.	MissMarple	May 2012	#92
Uh, no. The kid was defending himself from a guy who was stalking him.	Butterbean	May 2012	#95
No. One had a gun and followed the other until one of them was dead	lunatica	May 2012	#96
No.	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#97
No. He was stalked.	Chemisse	May 2012	#98
I have never been sure of his guilt or innocence -	lynne	May 2012	#100
No, it only strenthens my view of what I think happened.	RedSpartan	May 2012	#102
No....How can Zimmer plead SYG defense when clearly heard just before the shot "HELP ME"	opihimoimoi	May 2012	#107
Treyvon's father said voice on tape calling for help was not his son -	lynne	May 2012	#112
No it doesn't. Read the 4th paragraph where Trayvon's father says that he recognized his son's voice	yardwork	May 2012	#119
Thank you, I see that now -	lynne	May 2012	#123
That information has been published in news reports for months now.	yardwork	May 2012	#128
If he had carried mace instead of a gun.....	Kingofalldems	May 2012	#106
I suspect Zimmerman would have ended up with a can of Mace up his ass	slackmaster	May 2012	#108
Makes no sense	Kingofalldems	May 2012	#164
Nope -- I'll wait for all of the evidence and then make up my mind. nt	CokeMachine	May 2012	#111
Those details seem irrelevant to me	Nevernose	May 2012	#113
Yup I think he's more guilty now than I did and I always thought he was guilty	madokie	May 2012	#114
No. Trayvon had as much right to defend himself as Zimmy claims to have.	appleannie1	May 2012	#116
I'm leaning toward the belief that Zimmerman will walk	kudzu22	May 2012	#117
No. I am certain that Zimmerman stalked and killed a young man because of racial profiling.	yardwork	May 2012	#120
No. I still have no idea what really happened that night.	Throd	May 2012	#121
Nope. I still believe Trayvon is the victim here and any post-mortem attempts	Cleita	May 2012	#124
Not sure of guilt but the whole issue was with how the police handled it	underpants	May 2012	#125
what autopsy? all I've seen so far is third person PR.	mulsh	May 2012	#126
I got fucking PISSED when MSNBC posted that on Facebook last night	Amerigo Vespucci	May 2012	#127
No	bigwillq	May 2012	#129
No... because from the start, I never had an opinion on his guilt or innocence.	-..__...	May 2012	#130
I still think Zimmerman was the aggressor and should be..	mvd	May 2012	#133
No! Zimmerman was the instigator and aggressor..	tokenlib	May 2012	#136
No - white adult male stalks kid	TBF	May 2012	#137
I think his mom is Hispanic.	Zax2me	May 2012	#145
And that negates an adult stalking a child and murdering him? OK .....	TBF	May 2012	#156
No. Zimmerman was in predatory mode from the moment he began following Trayvon in his SUV.	Baitball Blogger	May 2012	#138
If one switches around genders and races maybe it's clearer	grok	May 2012	#141
I'll bite	Daalalou	May 2012	#148
That sound's about right.	grok	May 2012	#155
No. Mr. Martin had every right to defend himself from Zimmerman.	Dawson Leery	May 2012	#142
Guess the pictures of injuries were doctored.	Zax2me	May 2012	#147
No bruises consistant with fight on Martins fist and you STILL want to defend ZMan?	uponit7771	May 2012	#153
a little info on bruising	belcffub	May 2012	#163
how do explain the pictures taken at the police station	noiretextatique	May 2012	#162
There is no way this story can be	felix_numinous	May 2012	#149
Nope. A kid is still dead.	alarimer	May 2012	#152
Nope. The additional information is all chaff	MurrayDelph	May 2012	#165
No Zimmerman ran after Martin. Martin was probabbly scared out of his mind. nt	Quixote1818	May 2012	#167
Yes... it has ....No way will he be convicted of 2nd Degree Murder...	virginia mountainman	May 2012	#169
what, that he smoked some pot in the past thirty days and seems to have stood his ground	arely staircase	May 2012	#171
No	Riley18	May 2012	#172
no.	magical thyme	May 2012	#173
Not at all	TorchTheWitch	May 2012	#176
No. I still think his guilt should and will be decided by a jury.	crayfish	May 2012	#178

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