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graegoyle

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156. The act of taking the flag off of private property was not free speech.

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:29 PM

Jul 2015

If he wanted to counter that driver's speech, he should put a sticker on his own vehicle with the traitors' flag tattered and torn and with the message, "You lost; get over it."

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Man removes Confederate flag off the back of truck during traffic [View all] KamaAina Jul 2015 OP

Awesome. I ran into one at 4th celebration with thousands of people, I apologized to randys1 Jul 2015 #1

Wish the video was longer. longship Jul 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #3

there are any number of things that could have gone wrong here HFRN Jul 2015 #4

He removed something from someone else's property DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #5

And suppose someone removed a burning cross from the neighbor's yard? That not alright either? lonestarnot Jul 2015 #6

It would not be all right if the cross belonged to the neighbor DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #7

not the same thing maser Jul 2015 #8

Probably not Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #27

Are you equating a symbol of bigotry with a symbol of tolerance? uppityperson Jul 2015 #133

No, what they are saying is that, to be consistent, you cannot argue that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #137

I'd like to hear from maser, what they meant. Thank you for telling me what you think they meant uppityperson Jul 2015 #142

So you advocate for theft, whidh is what happened. n/t oneshooter Jul 2015 #9

And how do you know that someone didn't put it on the truck at a previous stop in the same fashion lonestarnot Jul 2015 #41

As someone who has been a trucker for almost 30 years....(Edited) A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #91

It may not have been her trailer. ladyVet Jul 2015 #124

It's their trailer alright. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #125

A burning cross prevents a danger Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #30

Agreed... Spatened Jul 2015 #19

civil disobedience is a good thing RichGirl Jul 2015 #24

This is not civil disobedience DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #32

What David said. I understand the young mans actions but we all have to deal with others bullshit... BlueJazz Jul 2015 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #89

This is not the same thing awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #117

Horrors! hunter Jul 2015 #43

Offensive speech requires even more careful protection than inoffensive speech. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #44

Both the flag, and the removel of it, I'd consider "Free Speech." hunter Jul 2015 #49

If someone can squelch your free speech, then it isn't really free DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #50

Oh for fucks sake. hunter Jul 2015 #61

Perhaps property law fanatics might have been satisfied Warpy Jul 2015 #80

ask a trucker DustyJoe Jul 2015 #58

Um... really? hunter Jul 2015 #66

If I remove something from your property awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #118

Usually the right wing nuts quickly escalate to actual vandalism. hunter Jul 2015 #119

Something tells me it wasn't right wing nuts that took your stuff or shot your car Telcontar Jul 2015 #147

This is the same argument I saw last week... Spatened Jul 2015 #144

Why? uppityperson Jul 2015 #134

Because all speech has the potential to be offensive to someone, and we cannot allow... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #138

Yes! We must protect property at all costs! Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #45

No. Here's to the right to express yourself without fear of vandalism. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #51

The horror... the horror. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #53

Given the tone of the article, clearly we are expected to cheer the action DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jul 2015 #62

I don't see why it's now ok to steal other peoples property Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #10

Screw the traitors and their DiverDave Jul 2015 #11

You are 100% wrong on this. But I assume you know that already. nt Logical Jul 2015 #15

WRONG leftynyc Jul 2015 #42

I'm with you. The false equivalency between this and a GLBT flag Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #52

The difference between what the flags represent is irrelevant to whether TeddyR Jul 2015 #75

Both represent an act of political speech mythology Jul 2015 #94

I agree taking the flag off was probably wrong on the face of it hollowdweller Jul 2015 #71

DUers cheer the strangest things. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #12

Or if the flag was a gay pride flag? Texasgal Jul 2015 #13

Then, we'd be calling for his head, and people would be trying to identify him from the video. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #14

I agree, the old disagee with him but he has a right to prove he is a racist. nt Logical Jul 2015 #16

Remember the post the other day about how we "de-nazified" Germany that asked why we couldn't do it cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #18

Good points! nt Logical Jul 2015 #20

I agree and you won't see that yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #23

^THIS^ cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #25

someone once said that the eagle on yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #28

LOL no I don't think it's snooty. Its head is tilted a little, and its beak is in the air. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #35

California Pride! yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #36

Galveston Texas snooper2 Jul 2015 #48

Fort Myers, FL A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #76

...and this one: TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #31

Abso-friggen-lutely! yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #33

Then the racists get to meet in secret and hide their hate flags in the bunkers. TeamPooka Jul 2015 #121

Duers also passive-aggressively defend the strangest things. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #55

this thread has been very telling olddots Jul 2015 #17

It would have been better if the video showed the company csziggy Jul 2015 #21

It did Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #22

You're right, though it's only visible at the very beginning csziggy Jul 2015 #26

Tribe Transportation???? luvspeas Jul 2015 #87

I'll bet she doesn't know. n/t A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #103

They knew. They took down my post. n/t luvspeas Jul 2015 #107

Sure. Now. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #108

Perhaps, as has been suggested, the driver put it there himself KamaAina Jul 2015 #128

Excellent. Lucky he wasn't shot though, since most racists mix gun love with their hatred. Hoyt Jul 2015 #29

That's good way to get yourself in a world of hurt. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #34

lol. truck drivers never know what is going on back there Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #37

Really? Better not try to test that theory. Ikonoklast Jul 2015 #152

Fuck him Reter Jul 2015 #38

Are you serious? Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #47

Yes, yes, yes, no, you are, no, doubt it, depends, so what Telcontar Jul 2015 #148

I agree. The asshole who put that sticker on the truck probably deserves to lose his job... hunter Jul 2015 #90

Uh, I think you need a time out. Darb Jul 2015 #113

Like everything else in life, it's subjective The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #39

About a month before the Iraq invasion, I saw a young man do the same thing to a car's anti-war Marr Jul 2015 #40

Threads like this are very telling Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #46

Telling indeed. You either support the 1st amendment, or you don't. Throd Jul 2015 #56

Unless that guy works for the govt Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #57

How about free speech in principle then? Spatened Jul 2015 #145

Exactly. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #63

"Hooray for these small acts of disobedience because they are inspiring and necessary." Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #129

No. That is qualitatively different Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #149

You don't have to "be done with this thread", you make some valid points with reasoned debate.. Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #151

This is wrong on principle. Had no right to remove it, that is oppression on point Jul 2015 #54

Oppression: Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #68

Both a and b true in this case. No right to impose his theft on another on point Jul 2015 #70

"Oppression" is not the word I would use. Darb Jul 2015 #114

people would do the same thing with the nazi flag. Sunlei Jul 2015 #59

And it would be just as wrong in that case. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #64

It figures that all the conservatives on DU are outraged by this. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #65

you don't need to be conservative Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #69

I've been assaulted for my DU sticker.... tenderfoot Jul 2015 #72

But you would be OK with someone removing your DU sticker? Throd Jul 2015 #73

They did it with a exacto blade when I was away - their cowardice was duly noted. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #74

I don't get the sense that anyone is defending the flag TeddyR Jul 2015 #77

Freedom of speech has consenquences... tenderfoot Jul 2015 #79

Why would you make such a leap in logic? Throd Jul 2015 #81

I think you're just pissed that the thief was black. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #84

Thinking doesn't seem to be in your wheelhouse. Throd Jul 2015 #86

I'm glad that man had the gumption to remove that Racist Sanitary Napkin from back of that truck. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #92

"Racist Sanitary Napkin" FTW! KamaAina Jul 2015 #100

The first amendment has NOTHING to do with this Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #111

That isn't how the law works. Throd Jul 2015 #115

So, are you talking about the first amendment, or some other law? Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #116

I have a friend who is a truck owner Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #112

Very good point Lulu davidpdx Jul 2015 #150

Near me there is a guy with a rebel flag on a flagpole hollowdweller Jul 2015 #67

To each their own wendylaroux Jul 2015 #78

That's pretty awesome... luvspeas Jul 2015 #82

I get it. Some here are upset that it's a black guy removing the flag from the truck. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #83

Don't be silly DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #88

Bollocks! tenderfoot Jul 2015 #95

So I'm a racist? DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #101

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Goodbye. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #104

Unless it was a government building, that is bullshit. This is someone else's personal still_one Jul 2015 #93

This thread tho. Brickbat Jul 2015 #96

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #97

i am very interested to know which DUers in this thread you are referring to GusBob Jul 2015 #99

I think the poster was trying to make a joke - edgineered Jul 2015 #105

I suspect when the trucker hung that flag it was meant as a dare to guys like the one in the video. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #98

like I said before this thread is very telling olddots Jul 2015 #106

We get it. You are only for free speech when you agree with it. Throd Jul 2015 #109

You seem to be supporting only 1 person's free speech while saying the other doesn't have the right uppityperson Jul 2015 #135

Grabbing a decal/flag off someone else's vehicle is NOT free speech, its either... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #139

No, the second person can fly whatever flag they choose. X_Digger Jul 2015 #159

Better a libertarian than a fascist. name not needed Jul 2015 #120

Not OK. Despite good intentions, the truck and the signage on the truck are private property. Raster Jul 2015 #110

Shame on him, and on the idiots cheering him on. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2015 #122

lots of misdirected outrage here JustinL Jul 2015 #123

I agree with the sentiment, wrong time and place. tymorial Jul 2015 #126

OK, this is not cool, flip the racist fucker off, yell at them if possible, etc. but don't... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #127

Yep. Jaywalking on the highway. It's against the law. hunter Jul 2015 #130

Is the race-baiting necessary? Do you also support ripping out campaign signs... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #136

Someone put the flag on the truck as a statement. That's free speech. hunter Jul 2015 #141

At least you asked, but I have a question, did the people behind the campaign for Proposition H8... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #143

It would be easy for me to say that's just petty theft or vandalism bhikkhu Jul 2015 #131

Honestly, its extremely petty, and I would venture to guess it would reflect... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #140

My point was the opposite bhikkhu Jul 2015 #153

That man was protesting against an oppressive regime, the one in the video in the OP... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #154

Again, that is easy to say being white bhikkhu Jul 2015 #157

Front would prolly be harder. Go Vols Jul 2015 #132

I thought the current meme was private display was okay, just take down from the gov't sites Telcontar Jul 2015 #146

The act of taking the flag off of private property was not free speech. graegoyle Jul 2015 #155

The act of taking the flag off of private property was not free speech. graegoyle Jul 2015 #156

Right after Obama passed Cash for Clunkers, I wrote on the back of my semi trailer B Calm Jul 2015 #158