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In the discussion thread: Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath? [View all]

Sat May 12, 2012, 11:33 AM

Lionessa (3,894 posts)

18. I believe in individuality, period. Labels with or without diagnosis, medicating children or adults

for disorders that cannot be proven through biologic or chemical means to make them manageable is complete garbage. Some of the greatest humans in history could easily have been diagnosed and medicated by today's standards and their unique gifts to the world would have been stifled.

Teachers and parents just want things easy and kids (and adults) to be paper doll cutouts of pc behavior. Well I say bullshit to that. Unless and until there is proof through blood test, urine test, eeg, ekg, or some other SCIENTIFICALLY provable marker, deficiency, overabundance, or whatnot, stop trying to make a perfect society through meds.

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92 replies	Author	Time	Post
Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath? [View all]	Are_grits_groceries	May 2012	OP
Yes.	no_hypocrisy	May 2012	#1
Unless a kid is setting fires and torturing animals or other kids	cali	May 2012	#2
I agree with not labeling children really at all,	Lionessa	May 2012	#8
we have one. label them after diagnosis then treatment	roguevalley	May 2012	#15
I believe in individuality, period. Labels with or without diagnosis, medicating children or adults	Lionessa	May 2012	#18
if you believe teachers want things easy you are kidding yourself	roguevalley	May 2012	#76
Thank you for posting. Am bookmarking for a later re-read. - n/t	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#3
Yes, unquestionably.	slackmaster	May 2012	#4
Holy smokes!	HappyMe	May 2012	#5
I think this article is largely shit	cali	May 2012	#9
You are entitled to your opinion.	HappyMe	May 2012	#11
It is what it is.	Are_grits_groceries	May 2012	#14
I agree with you, grits	BlancheSplanchnik	May 2012	#64
None of the "manipulative" behaviors were positive	Taitertots	May 2012	#30
clearly you didn't read the whole article, so discussing it with you is pointless.	cali	May 2012	#56
I read the article and what you are saying is total non-sense	Taitertots	May 2012	#58
That's what it's really like	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#61
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - My wife got shucked and jived	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#69
Oh yes, and the well-meaning suggestions	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#72
I sure as HELL won't judge you.	DevonRex	May 2012	#77
We're not related, are we?	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	DevonRex	May 2012	#79
Nope.	DevonRex	May 2012	#81
Good, that was almost awkward	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#83
About 7 or 8 years ago, I dealt with this with a coworker's son	TheCruces	May 2012	#85
Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.	DevonRex	May 2012	#88
Exactly	TheCruces	May 2012	#92
Yes, however, I believe psychopathy is more a matter	Lionessa	May 2012	#6
There's a lot of talk about brain morphology in the article	XemaSab	May 2012	#17
Yeah, like there's lots of talk about seretonin with regard	Lionessa	May 2012	#21
They're working on a measurement technique	FarCenter	May 2012	#23
an awful lot of people are taking anti-ds, for them to be "working on" it.	Lionessa	May 2012	#25
BTW, just reading the excerpt provided I can tell much is the	Lionessa	May 2012	#24
Blaming the mom? Really?	XemaSab	May 2012	#26
Absolutely, and the parents need to be able to learn to teach	Lionessa	May 2012	#28
You grab them by the throat, roll them on their back, and hold them until they stop struggling.	FarCenter	May 2012	#32
Yeah, that's extreme puppy/dog discipline, alpha or not,	Lionessa	May 2012	#60
LOL.. paging Dr Frist, paging Dr Frist...	dionysus	May 2012	#62
You can't teach a child good behavior when they don't see it as	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#80
You're in over your head here.	DevonRex	May 2012	#84
We seem to be agreeing, though you're doing in a very disagreeable way.	Lionessa	May 2012	#91
Brain morphology can actually change due to environment.	FedUpWithIt All	May 2012	#38
Abnormal Oxytocin levels could play a part in low empathy and poor attachment	FedUpWithIt All	May 2012	#52
Interesting article.	laundry_queen	May 2012	#67
The conflict in the responses to this thread vrs the responses from the breast feeding threads	FedUpWithIt All	May 2012	#71
Every adult psychopath was once a child..	pipoman	May 2012	#7
this	Schema Thing	May 2012	#10
This and giving all children the benefit of the doubt	justiceischeap	May 2012	#12
They don't know HOW to help though	laundry_queen	May 2012	#49
Yes. Did you happen to catch this article about psychopaths brain structures?	riderinthestorm	May 2012	#13
Psychopaths Have Distinct Brain Structure, Study Finds	FarCenter	May 2012	#20
Yes, but....	laundry_queen	May 2012	#39
True, but...	FarCenter	May 2012	#42
Does it say they gave him a brain scan?	laundry_queen	May 2012	#48
No, but they probably should as a diagnostic technique.	FarCenter	May 2012	#54
"Curiosity- How Evil Are You" on Discovery Channel	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#82
That's the one. :) nt	laundry_queen	May 2012	#87
On DU? Primarily in restaurants and airplanes, I believe	jberryhill	May 2012	#16
I love everything about this post.....well played. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#90
Yes.	obamanut2012	May 2012	#19
the mom, as described in the last few paragraphs of this article sets off my	cali	May 2012	#22
Alarm bells....	laundry_queen	May 2012	#37
.you're right. it's giant red flags	cali	May 2012	#51
They won't diagnose it at that age;	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#27
Or, ODD...	dog_lovin_dem	May 2012	#29
Yeah, I was surprised I did not see ODD mentioned in the article (although	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#46
Is anyone else unsettled by the idea of placing at risk kids together	FedUpWithIt All	May 2012	#31
A chance to connect, learn new strategies and stay in touch.	Lars39	May 2012	#33
I totally agree. nt	laundry_queen	May 2012	#35
I see a lot of focus on the Mother, but I see the Fathers behavior as much worse	Taitertots	May 2012	#34
That and	laundry_queen	May 2012	#36
He acknowledges that Allan "pokes" at him, but doesn't punish Allan for teasing his brother	Taitertots	May 2012	#43
Oops, sorry Jake unpaused it and Allan giggled.	laundry_queen	May 2012	#50
It's called "Conduct Disorder" when they are kids.	Odin2005	May 2012	#40
What a devastating story. That poor kid, and his poor family. I hope they find something that works.	Brickbat	May 2012	#41
"The Bad Seed" - 1956	man4allcats	May 2012	#44
I think some behaviors are beyond the control of parenting.	CakeGrrl	May 2012	#75
Here's what I see.	laundry_queen	May 2012	#45
+1	cali	May 2012	#53
‘Well, you didn’t think that through very clearly then, did you?’	alphafemale	May 2012	#47
You really can't label much pathology in children...	YellowRubberDuckie	May 2012	#55
Sadly, yes.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#57
I'm not qualified to call anyone a psychopath. (n/t)	Iggo	May 2012	#59
If their last name is Bush, then sure	n2doc	May 2012	#63
Is the term psychopath or sociopath because I've heard both	white_wolf	May 2012	#65
The terms are almost synonymous.	backscatter712	May 2012	#73
Psychopath = a bullshit word. And all the studies that show "psychopaths" have different	HiPointDem	May 2012	#66
Would you care to provide some info	Are_grits_groceries	May 2012	#68
Yipes. Do you believe that the scientific method offers	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#70
Oh look, and ideological blank-slater.	Odin2005	May 2012	#74
Here are 2 other cases mentioned in the article:	Are_grits_groceries	May 2012	#86
This has been really interesting reading.	DevonRex	May 2012	#89

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