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Wed May 9, 2012, 04:59 PM

cherokeeprogressive (14,955 posts)

58. Judging by Carney's performances at press briefings, he wasn't let in on the plan. n/t

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Yeah, I know it's only been an hour or so, but does he just think it or [View all]	Lionessa	May 2012	OP
congrats, you have the first cynical thread complaining about what should be celebrated.	dionysus	May 2012	#1
Thanks, dion.	elleng	May 2012	#2
you're most welcome	dionysus	May 2012	#3
Can you understand the cynicism?	EOTE	May 2012	#5
Do the motivations really matter?	treestar	May 2012	#15
Yes, of course the motivations matter.	EOTE	May 2012	#22
I trust you'll be voting for him in November	cali	May 2012	#24
OK. Trust all you'd like.	EOTE	May 2012	#26
so what does he have to do?	cali	May 2012	#27
Well, a good start would be to make good on his promise with regard to MMJ.	EOTE	May 2012	#29
Jeezus, why assume I'm going to say something? Hold onto your horses	cali	May 2012	#39
Wait, you ask me what he can do to earn my vote and then insult me?	EOTE	May 2012	#43
His ACTIONS got DADT repealed and stopped the enforcement of DOMA	emulatorloo	May 2012	#54
And what actions were those?	EOTE	May 2012	#63
A president cannot overturn a law -- only Congress can do that.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#79
Thank you for facts nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#82
You don't want facts, you just want words that back up your emotions.	EOTE	May 2012	#87
In that case here have an emoticon	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#113
Wow, substantial! NT	EOTE	May 2012	#114
It was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#86
He made sure the law was gone PERMANENTLY.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#91
No, it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#97
It was declared unconstitutional in a district court if I recall	treestar	May 2012	#162
EOs don't repeal laws. Read the Youngstown decision. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#137
Where did he say "I refuse to overturn DADT"?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#80
He said that he didn't support it, he called for its repeal, it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#85
Ahhh I see	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#88
No, especially not considering that it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#90
Again are you referring to an EO?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#99
Presidents can NOT enact laws which are unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#103
Did the Supremes rule it unconstitutional? No, it was a lower court ruling.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#106
There would have been NOTHING preventing the administration from solidifying the repeal after an EO.	EOTE	May 2012	#109
You're wrong. It would be appealed all the way to the Supremes.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#121
You do the happy dance all you'd like.	EOTE	May 2012	#182
Bullshit--EOs don't repeal laws. Please don't use politcal pundits for legal analysis. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#139
"Codifying the repeal of DADTafter such an EO...."	cliffordu	May 2012	#169
LOL	Mr Dixon	May 2012	#154
That's got nothing to do with marriage equality, which the thread is about	treestar	May 2012	#161
Threadjack much??	cliffordu	May 2012	#170
It's about every time Obama has used rhetoric in exchange for actual action.	EOTE	May 2012	#180
What actions?	treestar	May 2012	#160
Exactly, what actions?	EOTE	May 2012	#181
What did he promise here?	treestar	May 2012	#184
I don't expect him to make it his only issue.	EOTE	May 2012	#191
You mean like DADT??? Yep, he stands where he stands.	cliffordu	May 2012	#167
I understand that some DU'ers like throwing wet blankets on any positive news	emulatorloo	May 2012	#20
Do you have anything substantial to add, or just want to throw out fluff?	EOTE	May 2012	#25
Are you able to converse without being nasty and divisive?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#51
Says the one who responds to a legitimate OP with an insult.	EOTE	May 2012	#53
Good grief, stop putting words in people's mouths	emulatorloo	May 2012	#61
And what words might those be?	EOTE	May 2012	#64
I'm not angry. You are projecting.	emulatorloo	May 2012	#69
So a bunch of spittle and no substance.	EOTE	May 2012	#70
You're still projecting	emulatorloo	May 2012	#72
And you have still yet to offer any information of substance.	EOTE	May 2012	#74
I gave you my answers in post #51	emulatorloo	May 2012	#93
No, actually you haven't.	EOTE	May 2012	#102
lol that was a good one... project much? (question purely rhetorical)	inna	May 2012	#205
Nailed it!	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#57
Well.....	cliffordu	May 2012	#171
Yup. Lots of DUers...	SidDithers	May 2012	#190
Politically that would have been ignorant	rufus dog	May 2012	#100
Yep, precisely.	cliffordu	May 2012	#172
He could have waited until after the election (and he won) I suppose	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#112
I don't know if this is going to help or hurt him politically.	EOTE	May 2012	#116
Right	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#118
You just knew there'd be one	treestar	May 2012	#9
Nothing short of divorcing Michelle and marrying a	Solomon	May 2012	#31
Trust me, even that would not be good enough	emulatorloo	May 2012	#65
If you actually believe anyone anywhere relating to the pro-side of	Lionessa	May 2012	#73
um... okay.	Solomon	May 2012	#76
Actually, it's not much of a change from what he's said before...	joeybee12	May 2012	#34
Congrats, you have the first cynical response complaining about us not celebrating enough.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#186
Well, he IS a politician	bigwillq	May 2012	#4
I think his "evolution" was fast-tracked (unintentionally) by VP Biden.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2012	#6
I think VP's statements were part of the rollout.	emulatorloo	May 2012	#19
Yup. I said just that a couple of days ago.	MineralMan	May 2012	#32
Judging by Carney's performances at press briefings, he wasn't let in on the plan. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2012	#58
No, I think Carney knew. But, it's not his place	MineralMan	May 2012	#68
Ah...cynicism.	MineralMan	May 2012	#7
It's a risk	Politicalboi	May 2012	#8
Yes, it could, in certain places,	elleng	May 2012	#18
It could hurt him BIG...	regnaD kciN	May 2012	#30
He doesn't have to fight for it.	progressoid	May 2012	#10
If he's re-elected he'll be appointing SC Justices.	cali	May 2012	#13
More Justices like Elena Kagan?	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#187
See post #163.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#192
Loving v. Virginia.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#193
Ruling was correctly based on discrimination and equal protection under that amendment.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#196
Are you saying there's no discrimination in anti-gay-marriage laws?	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#197
Straw man.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#202
And why should human rights be left to the states?	Lionessa	May 2012	#71
Agreed	progressoid	May 2012	#83
Marriage is a state function	treestar	May 2012	#163
Loving v. Virginia.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#194
That interpreted a state law as unconstitutional	treestar	May 2012	#195
The state laws were unconstitutional	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#198
Kagan?	treestar	May 2012	#203
Kagan: "There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage."	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#204
This is an enormous step in fighting for it.	cali	May 2012	#11
it's a ploy in the right direction	Enrique	May 2012	#12
and we DUers don't WANT him to get donations, and get re-elected???	elleng	May 2012	#14
there's DUers that have been campaigning against him since 2007, who most certainly want him to lose	dionysus	May 2012	#38
Right. Thanks again, dion.	elleng	May 2012	#42
i'm going to work on the garden myself, it beats stress to a pulp	dionysus	May 2012	#47
LUCKY!	elleng	May 2012	#55
The statement	ProSense	May 2012	#16
First POTUS to endorse marriage equality	emulatorloo	May 2012	#17
Good Gawd!!!nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#21
I understand what you're saying	gratuitous	May 2012	#23
Let me help ... please move these to their new location.	JoePhilly	May 2012	#28
That thing should have wheels on it.	Solomon	May 2012	#35
+1 n/t	FSogol	May 2012	#45
Perfect. nt	chowder66	May 2012	#75
+1000. The good news is this thread hasn't even made 10 recs. That's progress at DU.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#208
Actions speak louder than words, true	Rex	May 2012	#33
You mean like his statements that he'd be friendly to MMJ?	EOTE	May 2012	#36
There weren't enough votes for the public option	ecstatic	May 2012	#40
He took the PO off the table before the debate even began.	EOTE	May 2012	#50
Could you post a link on the PO deal being taken off the table by Obama please?	chowder66	May 2012	#92
Are you going to fight for it?	ecstatic	May 2012	#37
I've been doing everything I can to support marriage equality	Lionessa	May 2012	#78
He's already been fighting for it.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#41
good points!	Bluerthanblue	May 2012	#52
throwing punches here and there for political reasons, not to be confused with "fighting"	inna	May 2012	#206
right	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#207
This should tell you what you need to know:	Hell Hath No Fury	May 2012	#44
.	dionysus	May 2012	#48
The minute he comes out unequivocally for --	Hell Hath No Fury	May 2012	#56
Exactly. If it is a human right, then it can't be voted on state by state.	Lionessa	May 2012	#81
He urged Congress to repeal DOMA. So there you go.	ieoeja	May 2012	#105
How can that be done?	treestar	May 2012	#165
"throw the gays a bone" day	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#62
He could.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#200
Or "throw a bone...	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#188
Umm, I wouldn't call this a ploy to get re-elected.	Bake	May 2012	#46
I'd call it a ploy.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#189
We disagree.	Bake	May 2012	#199
Let's see, a state critical to his re-election (NC) voted against marriage equality and you say	WI_DEM	May 2012	#49
Announcing this before the NC vote wouldn't have changed anything	chowder66	May 2012	#59
Baby steps. If he doesn't get re-elected, he can't fight to repeal DOMA or anything else we need.	phleshdef	May 2012	#60
I doubt it's a ploy. This could cost him NC and OH, and possibly the election n/t	Blaukraut	May 2012	#66
So would you rather he had not said it? Just curious.	yellowcanine	May 2012	#67
No, my post was in response the the six or so OPs demanding donations	Lionessa	May 2012	#84
So you created an OP	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#94
Again, no, you are spinning. The OPs weren't just offering links.	Lionessa	May 2012	#95
So DU'ers were forcing you to donate to the Obama campaign?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#98
Are you incapable of language comprehension. I said demanding, not forcing.	Lionessa	May 2012	#104
"hey wait a minute, don't let the salesman sell you a lemon"	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#108
IF someone was to donate strictly for this issue, then yes, that's what I'm saying.	Lionessa	May 2012	#111
Are you incapable of recognizing humourous teasing?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#115
I'm not spinning what you said	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#107
No, I agree it is an important step, but it isn't one that ranks, imo	Lionessa	May 2012	#96
Where did you go? nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#77
this thread blows. you're moving the goalposts	scheming daemons	May 2012	#89
No I'm not. But it is good to remind people that he is a pol	Lionessa	May 2012	#101
a president's words are powerful. saying something IS doing something.	scheming daemons	May 2012	#110
And meanwhile, his Justice Dept is not enforcing DOMA	emulatorloo	May 2012	#117
So true! How many times has that been invoked before?	treestar	May 2012	#166
Will your Romney say one thing and do another?	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#123
DO you guys have anything other than BS to throw? Really, grow up.	Lionessa	May 2012	#127
no I don't think there was pressure	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#159
You didn't think that all the way through	Barely	May 2012	#119
He'll never get votes from those agains gay marriage rights,	Lionessa	May 2012	#120
so what?	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#122
So I had an opinion about that type of political manipulation and I typed it.	Lionessa	May 2012	#124
I get that you feel demoralized	ecstatic	May 2012	#129
I'm in no way encouraging anyone to not vote for Obama,	Lionessa	May 2012	#131
He would have gotten the votes from civil union supporters	Barely	May 2012	#125
Independents wouldn't contribute or not based on this issue, only the GLBTs	Lionessa	May 2012	#132
Really? Ya think so? That's not what this week's poll said about Indies...	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#134
Marriage equality, please. Are you saying he should continue supporting "separate but equal" instead	uppityperson	May 2012	#201
then don't donate	maddezmom	May 2012	#130
I didn't. Then I opined. The problem is?	Lionessa	May 2012	#133
.	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#135
BULLSHIT THREAD!	one_voice	May 2012	#126
Only if your head is in the sand.	Lionessa	May 2012	#128
So Obama is full if shit and just pandering for campaign contributions	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#136
Never said he was full of shit, did say he's likely pandering.	Lionessa	May 2012	#138
Why do you have to escalate what's said	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#140
Where are you seeing hate and why are you calling people idiots	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#141
I'm getting real tired of the strawman questions. If don't see them	Lionessa	May 2012	#142
You accused others of hate, just before you called them idiots	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#146
Treading Where Others "Fear" Is Not Why You Are Being Questioned.	HangOnKids	May 2012	#150
When digging yourself in a hole, sometimes it's wise	Solomon	May 2012	#143
I'm not in a hole. Nice try though.	Lionessa	May 2012	#145
Call what as you see what?	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#147
You would have a good point if he didn't stop enforcing DOMA. Boy, liberals sure know how to be	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#144
The leader of the free world supports marriage equality.	great white snark	May 2012	#148
I know! We should be celebrating! Hell, we SHOULD be uniting!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#152
Or full court press for DADT...	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#149
It's just all too convenient.	AngryOldDem	May 2012	#151
Who cares?!??! He supports marriage equality! That's all I care about! Now, let's unite and kick	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#153
I just want to make sure he's sincere about it, is all.	AngryOldDem	May 2012	#156
By that token no one could evolve anything ever	treestar	May 2012	#168
Interesting.	salin	May 2012	#155
Where have you been?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#157
Lol - was still at work...	salin	May 2012	#158
This post was hidden by jury decision.	cliffordu	May 2012	#164
Cranky much? I hope unloading on me makes your evening with others	Lionessa	May 2012	#173
Go watch Rachel and let a professional crush your argument and "concern"	cliffordu	May 2012	#174
Go tell your children what to do. I'm not in the least obedient.	Lionessa	May 2012	#176
No, I hadn't.	cliffordu	May 2012	#178
It isn't bogus, and it turns out not to even be a posit, in that he got	Lionessa	May 2012	#183
"Ah, bullshit. Get a job or a fucking hobby. Or a life."	just1voice	May 2012	#177
Legitimate?	cliffordu	May 2012	#179
Obama supports his positions, that is a fact as shown by his Presidency.	joshcryer	May 2012	#175
Some personal deliberation takes thinkers a while. Give it a break.	lonestarnot	May 2012	#185
Then don't donate. Everyone knows there are different political parties represented here....	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#209

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