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In the discussion thread: Yeah, I know it's only been an hour or so, but does he just think it or [View all]

Wed May 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

ProSense (98,252 posts)

16. The statement

by the ACLU sums it up:

Until now, the president has only favored civil unions, although he had said his views on same-sex marriage were “constantly evolving.” While in office, President Obama and his administration have taken critical strides toward LGBT equality by refusing to defend the discriminatory and unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act in court and pushing Congress to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” and reaffirming support for the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002665391

July 2011: DOJ comes out swinging against DOMA
http://www.keennewsservice.com/2011/07/04/doj-comes-out-swinging-against-doma/

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Yeah, I know it's only been an hour or so, but does he just think it or [View all]	Lionessa	May 2012	OP
congrats, you have the first cynical thread complaining about what should be celebrated.	dionysus	May 2012	#1
Thanks, dion.	elleng	May 2012	#2
you're most welcome	dionysus	May 2012	#3
Can you understand the cynicism?	EOTE	May 2012	#5
Do the motivations really matter?	treestar	May 2012	#15
Yes, of course the motivations matter.	EOTE	May 2012	#22
I trust you'll be voting for him in November	cali	May 2012	#24
OK. Trust all you'd like.	EOTE	May 2012	#26
so what does he have to do?	cali	May 2012	#27
Well, a good start would be to make good on his promise with regard to MMJ.	EOTE	May 2012	#29
Jeezus, why assume I'm going to say something? Hold onto your horses	cali	May 2012	#39
Wait, you ask me what he can do to earn my vote and then insult me?	EOTE	May 2012	#43
His ACTIONS got DADT repealed and stopped the enforcement of DOMA	emulatorloo	May 2012	#54
And what actions were those?	EOTE	May 2012	#63
A president cannot overturn a law -- only Congress can do that.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#79
Thank you for facts nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#82
You don't want facts, you just want words that back up your emotions.	EOTE	May 2012	#87
In that case here have an emoticon	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#113
Wow, substantial! NT	EOTE	May 2012	#114
It was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#86
He made sure the law was gone PERMANENTLY.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#91
No, it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#97
It was declared unconstitutional in a district court if I recall	treestar	May 2012	#162
EOs don't repeal laws. Read the Youngstown decision. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#137
Where did he say "I refuse to overturn DADT"?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#80
He said that he didn't support it, he called for its repeal, it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#85
Ahhh I see	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#88
No, especially not considering that it was declared unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#90
Again are you referring to an EO?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#99
Presidents can NOT enact laws which are unconstitutional.	EOTE	May 2012	#103
Did the Supremes rule it unconstitutional? No, it was a lower court ruling.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#106
There would have been NOTHING preventing the administration from solidifying the repeal after an EO.	EOTE	May 2012	#109
You're wrong. It would be appealed all the way to the Supremes.	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#121
You do the happy dance all you'd like.	EOTE	May 2012	#182
Bullshit--EOs don't repeal laws. Please don't use politcal pundits for legal analysis. nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#139
"Codifying the repeal of DADTafter such an EO...."	cliffordu	May 2012	#169
LOL	Mr Dixon	May 2012	#154
That's got nothing to do with marriage equality, which the thread is about	treestar	May 2012	#161
Threadjack much??	cliffordu	May 2012	#170
It's about every time Obama has used rhetoric in exchange for actual action.	EOTE	May 2012	#180
What actions?	treestar	May 2012	#160
Exactly, what actions?	EOTE	May 2012	#181
What did he promise here?	treestar	May 2012	#184
I don't expect him to make it his only issue.	EOTE	May 2012	#191
You mean like DADT??? Yep, he stands where he stands.	cliffordu	May 2012	#167
I understand that some DU'ers like throwing wet blankets on any positive news	emulatorloo	May 2012	#20
Do you have anything substantial to add, or just want to throw out fluff?	EOTE	May 2012	#25
Are you able to converse without being nasty and divisive?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#51
Says the one who responds to a legitimate OP with an insult.	EOTE	May 2012	#53
Good grief, stop putting words in people's mouths	emulatorloo	May 2012	#61
And what words might those be?	EOTE	May 2012	#64
I'm not angry. You are projecting.	emulatorloo	May 2012	#69
So a bunch of spittle and no substance.	EOTE	May 2012	#70
You're still projecting	emulatorloo	May 2012	#72
And you have still yet to offer any information of substance.	EOTE	May 2012	#74
I gave you my answers in post #51	emulatorloo	May 2012	#93
No, actually you haven't.	EOTE	May 2012	#102
lol that was a good one... project much? (question purely rhetorical)	inna	May 2012	#205
Nailed it!	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#57
Well.....	cliffordu	May 2012	#171
Yup. Lots of DUers...	SidDithers	May 2012	#190
Politically that would have been ignorant	rufus dog	May 2012	#100
Yep, precisely.	cliffordu	May 2012	#172
He could have waited until after the election (and he won) I suppose	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#112
I don't know if this is going to help or hurt him politically.	EOTE	May 2012	#116
Right	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#118
You just knew there'd be one	treestar	May 2012	#9
Nothing short of divorcing Michelle and marrying a	Solomon	May 2012	#31
Trust me, even that would not be good enough	emulatorloo	May 2012	#65
If you actually believe anyone anywhere relating to the pro-side of	Lionessa	May 2012	#73
um... okay.	Solomon	May 2012	#76
Actually, it's not much of a change from what he's said before...	joeybee12	May 2012	#34
Congrats, you have the first cynical response complaining about us not celebrating enough.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#186
Well, he IS a politician	bigwillq	May 2012	#4
I think his "evolution" was fast-tracked (unintentionally) by VP Biden.	cherokeeprogressive	May 2012	#6
I think VP's statements were part of the rollout.	emulatorloo	May 2012	#19
Yup. I said just that a couple of days ago.	MineralMan	May 2012	#32
Judging by Carney's performances at press briefings, he wasn't let in on the plan. n/t	cherokeeprogressive	May 2012	#58
No, I think Carney knew. But, it's not his place	MineralMan	May 2012	#68
Ah...cynicism.	MineralMan	May 2012	#7
It's a risk	Politicalboi	May 2012	#8
Yes, it could, in certain places,	elleng	May 2012	#18
It could hurt him BIG...	regnaD kciN	May 2012	#30
He doesn't have to fight for it.	progressoid	May 2012	#10
If he's re-elected he'll be appointing SC Justices.	cali	May 2012	#13
More Justices like Elena Kagan?	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#187
See post #163.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#192
Loving v. Virginia.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#193
Ruling was correctly based on discrimination and equal protection under that amendment.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#196
Are you saying there's no discrimination in anti-gay-marriage laws?	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#197
Straw man.	Ikonoklast	May 2012	#202
And why should human rights be left to the states?	Lionessa	May 2012	#71
Agreed	progressoid	May 2012	#83
Marriage is a state function	treestar	May 2012	#163
Loving v. Virginia.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#194
That interpreted a state law as unconstitutional	treestar	May 2012	#195
The state laws were unconstitutional	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#198
Kagan?	treestar	May 2012	#203
Kagan: "There is no Constitutional right to same sex marriage."	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#204
This is an enormous step in fighting for it.	cali	May 2012	#11
it's a ploy in the right direction	Enrique	May 2012	#12
and we DUers don't WANT him to get donations, and get re-elected???	elleng	May 2012	#14
there's DUers that have been campaigning against him since 2007, who most certainly want him to lose	dionysus	May 2012	#38
Right. Thanks again, dion.	elleng	May 2012	#42
i'm going to work on the garden myself, it beats stress to a pulp	dionysus	May 2012	#47
LUCKY!	elleng	May 2012	#55
The statement	ProSense	May 2012	#16
First POTUS to endorse marriage equality	emulatorloo	May 2012	#17
Good Gawd!!!nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#21
I understand what you're saying	gratuitous	May 2012	#23
Let me help ... please move these to their new location.	JoePhilly	May 2012	#28
That thing should have wheels on it.	Solomon	May 2012	#35
+1 n/t	FSogol	May 2012	#45
Perfect. nt	chowder66	May 2012	#75
+1000. The good news is this thread hasn't even made 10 recs. That's progress at DU.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#208
Actions speak louder than words, true	Rex	May 2012	#33
You mean like his statements that he'd be friendly to MMJ?	EOTE	May 2012	#36
There weren't enough votes for the public option	ecstatic	May 2012	#40
He took the PO off the table before the debate even began.	EOTE	May 2012	#50
Could you post a link on the PO deal being taken off the table by Obama please?	chowder66	May 2012	#92
Are you going to fight for it?	ecstatic	May 2012	#37
I've been doing everything I can to support marriage equality	Lionessa	May 2012	#78
He's already been fighting for it.	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#41
good points!	Bluerthanblue	May 2012	#52
throwing punches here and there for political reasons, not to be confused with "fighting"	inna	May 2012	#206
right	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#207
This should tell you what you need to know:	Hell Hath No Fury	May 2012	#44
.	dionysus	May 2012	#48
The minute he comes out unequivocally for --	Hell Hath No Fury	May 2012	#56
Exactly. If it is a human right, then it can't be voted on state by state.	Lionessa	May 2012	#81
He urged Congress to repeal DOMA. So there you go.	ieoeja	May 2012	#105
How can that be done?	treestar	May 2012	#165
"throw the gays a bone" day	AtomicKitten	May 2012	#62
He could.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#200
Or "throw a bone...	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#188
Umm, I wouldn't call this a ploy to get re-elected.	Bake	May 2012	#46
I'd call it a ploy.	Pab Sungenis	May 2012	#189
We disagree.	Bake	May 2012	#199
Let's see, a state critical to his re-election (NC) voted against marriage equality and you say	WI_DEM	May 2012	#49
Announcing this before the NC vote wouldn't have changed anything	chowder66	May 2012	#59
Baby steps. If he doesn't get re-elected, he can't fight to repeal DOMA or anything else we need.	phleshdef	May 2012	#60
I doubt it's a ploy. This could cost him NC and OH, and possibly the election n/t	Blaukraut	May 2012	#66
So would you rather he had not said it? Just curious.	yellowcanine	May 2012	#67
No, my post was in response the the six or so OPs demanding donations	Lionessa	May 2012	#84
So you created an OP	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#94
Again, no, you are spinning. The OPs weren't just offering links.	Lionessa	May 2012	#95
So DU'ers were forcing you to donate to the Obama campaign?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#98
Are you incapable of language comprehension. I said demanding, not forcing.	Lionessa	May 2012	#104
"hey wait a minute, don't let the salesman sell you a lemon"	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#108
IF someone was to donate strictly for this issue, then yes, that's what I'm saying.	Lionessa	May 2012	#111
Are you incapable of recognizing humourous teasing?	emulatorloo	May 2012	#115
I'm not spinning what you said	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#107
No, I agree it is an important step, but it isn't one that ranks, imo	Lionessa	May 2012	#96
Where did you go? nt	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#77
this thread blows. you're moving the goalposts	scheming daemons	May 2012	#89
No I'm not. But it is good to remind people that he is a pol	Lionessa	May 2012	#101
a president's words are powerful. saying something IS doing something.	scheming daemons	May 2012	#110
And meanwhile, his Justice Dept is not enforcing DOMA	emulatorloo	May 2012	#117
So true! How many times has that been invoked before?	treestar	May 2012	#166
Will your Romney say one thing and do another?	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#123
DO you guys have anything other than BS to throw? Really, grow up.	Lionessa	May 2012	#127
no I don't think there was pressure	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#159
You didn't think that all the way through	Barely	May 2012	#119
He'll never get votes from those agains gay marriage rights,	Lionessa	May 2012	#120
so what?	Rosa Luxemburg	May 2012	#122
So I had an opinion about that type of political manipulation and I typed it.	Lionessa	May 2012	#124
I get that you feel demoralized	ecstatic	May 2012	#129
I'm in no way encouraging anyone to not vote for Obama,	Lionessa	May 2012	#131
He would have gotten the votes from civil union supporters	Barely	May 2012	#125
Independents wouldn't contribute or not based on this issue, only the GLBTs	Lionessa	May 2012	#132
Really? Ya think so? That's not what this week's poll said about Indies...	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#134
Marriage equality, please. Are you saying he should continue supporting "separate but equal" instead	uppityperson	May 2012	#201
then don't donate	maddezmom	May 2012	#130
I didn't. Then I opined. The problem is?	Lionessa	May 2012	#133
.	ScreamingMeemie	May 2012	#135
BULLSHIT THREAD!	one_voice	May 2012	#126
Only if your head is in the sand.	Lionessa	May 2012	#128
So Obama is full if shit and just pandering for campaign contributions	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#136
Never said he was full of shit, did say he's likely pandering.	Lionessa	May 2012	#138
Why do you have to escalate what's said	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#140
Where are you seeing hate and why are you calling people idiots	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#141
I'm getting real tired of the strawman questions. If don't see them	Lionessa	May 2012	#142
You accused others of hate, just before you called them idiots	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#146
Treading Where Others "Fear" Is Not Why You Are Being Questioned.	HangOnKids	May 2012	#150
When digging yourself in a hole, sometimes it's wise	Solomon	May 2012	#143
I'm not in a hole. Nice try though.	Lionessa	May 2012	#145
Call what as you see what?	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#147
You would have a good point if he didn't stop enforcing DOMA. Boy, liberals sure know how to be	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#144
The leader of the free world supports marriage equality.	great white snark	May 2012	#148
I know! We should be celebrating! Hell, we SHOULD be uniting!!	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#152
Or full court press for DADT...	Ruby the Liberal	May 2012	#149
It's just all too convenient.	AngryOldDem	May 2012	#151
Who cares?!??! He supports marriage equality! That's all I care about! Now, let's unite and kick	Liberal_Stalwart71	May 2012	#153
I just want to make sure he's sincere about it, is all.	AngryOldDem	May 2012	#156
By that token no one could evolve anything ever	treestar	May 2012	#168
Interesting.	salin	May 2012	#155
Where have you been?	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#157
Lol - was still at work...	salin	May 2012	#158
This post was hidden by jury decision.	cliffordu	May 2012	#164
Cranky much? I hope unloading on me makes your evening with others	Lionessa	May 2012	#173
Go watch Rachel and let a professional crush your argument and "concern"	cliffordu	May 2012	#174
Go tell your children what to do. I'm not in the least obedient.	Lionessa	May 2012	#176
No, I hadn't.	cliffordu	May 2012	#178
It isn't bogus, and it turns out not to even be a posit, in that he got	Lionessa	May 2012	#183
"Ah, bullshit. Get a job or a fucking hobby. Or a life."	just1voice	May 2012	#177
Legitimate?	cliffordu	May 2012	#179
Obama supports his positions, that is a fact as shown by his Presidency.	joshcryer	May 2012	#175
Some personal deliberation takes thinkers a while. Give it a break.	lonestarnot	May 2012	#185
Then don't donate. Everyone knows there are different political parties represented here....	Tarheel_Dem	May 2012	#209

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