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In the discussion thread: A 13-Year-Old's Slavery Analogy Raises Some Uncomfortable Truths in School [View all]

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #156)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:44 AM

CreekDog (37,145 posts)

157. again, where does an analogy have to be among things that are completely the same?

nowhere.

you are wrong. you are projecting a definition that an analogy is false unless you agree with it.

you say she is "stretching" it, okay, sure, she may be, but then you say the analogy is false. well, which is it? analogies often compare dissimilar or different things.

i think your criticism is more flawed than her analogy and i expect more from you than i do from her. that said, i think her analogy is an interesting one with some valid comparisons.

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A 13-Year-Old's Slavery Analogy Raises Some Uncomfortable Truths in School [View all]	SoCalDem	May 2012	OP
Sorry, but I think that is an comparison that is a bit over the top	MadHound	May 2012	#1
you're not a minority,	mzteris	May 2012	#5
Does it matter?	MadHound	May 2012	#7
No they're just being DELIBERATELY given an education which...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#37
I agree	mbuch64	May 2012	#43
And provides slave labor for many corporations who use prison labor	duhneece	May 2012	#144
Not just imprisonment but loss of most American "Rights" such as voting..	Bandit	May 2012	#187
Institutionalized racism.	mzteris	May 2012	#286
So you think that the white teachers in those schools are complicit	XemaSab	May 2012	#51
Not to mention that schools in majority black, low-income areas are just as likely to have black	HiPointDem	May 2012	#61
+1. The % of minority teachers in NYC has declined precipitously and steadily since Bloomberg.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2012	#117
I think it's probably more about class than race per se,	Crunchy Frog	May 2012	#76
Deliberately? Man those teachers must be monsters huh?	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#55
Not willfully so. But a significant proportion of them are so RESENTFUL of being...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#75
"sent to teach"? by who, may i ask?	HiPointDem	May 2012	#119
You need to know something	whathehell	May 2012	#191
thanks for the info. the picture he painted did seem a little cardboardy...	HiPointDem	May 2012	#236
You're welcome!	whathehell	May 2012	#274
Yes we do, and no I am not. And yes our own institutional treatment...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#307
Right..	whathehell	May 2012	#309
Oh bullshit. How insulting.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#138
Teachers are the modern day slave-owners	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#163
Happy Teacher Appreciation Week to us	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#172
Cheers to you.	bayareamike	May 2012	#302
YOU chose. How many are where they are because it's the only place...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#318
A significant proportion of white teachers are resentful of their black classes	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#162
How do you know this?....Is this the way it is in your country with Aboriginals?	whathehell	May 2012	#189
My sister has a Master's degree	Aerows	May 2012	#362
Correct...Some here appear "at the ready" for apoplectic rage.	whathehell	May 2012	#179
Yeah	Aerows	May 2012	#363
Kettled? there's no kettling. economics is all it takes to segregate people by income.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#56
But "Swamp People" are a fucking hoot a minute. Right?	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#78
kettling means to keep people within a certain area, as in kettling people during protests.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#81
No it isn't 1950 anymore, it's worse.	A Simple Game	May 2012	#147
You may think i said racial discrimination has disappeared, but i didn't.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#239
No I don't think you said that. In fact I pretty much agree with you 100%.	A Simple Game	May 2012	#358
Don't you have some similar issues to attend to	whathehell	May 2012	#182
The girl sounds like she has some racist demons...	TedBronson	May 2012	#60
And maybe a few of them are teachers or administrators at her school. n/t	pnwmom	May 2012	#93
Uh huh...	TedBronson	May 2012	#133
No, the adults who are striking back at her for writing her essay don't deserve	pnwmom	May 2012	#227
This might have been plausible IF	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#271
Again...	TedBronson	May 2012	#282
exactly.	mzteris	May 2012	#289
yeah, and when glenn beck had her on his show he said they even sent in the teachers' union	HiPointDem	May 2012	#323
Lawsuits against school districts- especially poor ones-	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#327
I've looked all over the internet for some follow-up to this story. I can't find any. It begins	HiPointDem	May 2012	#328
In the apology she got	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#330
See, I didn't see that she got any apology. All I saw was an administrator saying something	HiPointDem	May 2012	#332
From the local news:	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#333
"an apology for what she is going through." that's the equivalent of "I'm sorry you were offended"	HiPointDem	May 2012	#334
None of that merits douting the veracity of their story, HB.	joshcryer	May 2012	#349
How many school related issues don't make it to the news?	joshcryer	May 2012	#352
How do you know it's not a racial issue?	mzteris	May 2012	#288
Especially the ones who were sent there against their will	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#142
Now teachers are "racist demons"?	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#175
I read the whole article in the OP and never saw the words "racist demons."	pnwmom	May 2012	#230
Comment #60: The girl sounds like she has some racist demons...	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#232
If they bullied and harassed her because they didn't like her essay	pnwmom	May 2012	#243
Are you still confused as to where I got that phrase?	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#246
Some of them ARE.	mzteris	May 2012	#290
sounds like she was surrounded by them	mzteris	May 2012	#287
Does it matter? Yes, it does.	baldguy	May 2012	#44
you missed the point completely	Skittles	May 2012	#86
their future is getting bought and packed away,	larkrake	May 2012	#160
No, it doesn't	Major Hogwash	May 2012	#284
Yes. It matters.	mzteris	May 2012	#285
For once, we agree.	TheWraith	May 2012	#24
Education, or lack thereof is just one small part of the issue.	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#47
Um, MadMonk?	whathehell	May 2012	#186
Reitterating an earlier reply. Yes we do. And yes we've made...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#324
Reiterating my earlier reply:	whathehell	May 2012	#357
I agree. Sounds more like trying to blame someone else for not doing your homework. nt	Honeycombe8	May 2012	#32
From an economic standpoint its pretty close imo to what happens and thats regardless of the race of	cstanleytech	May 2012	#71
and where you have poverty you're going to have higher levels of problems, for various reasons.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#120
Even if it is, the kid is 13 years old, and at least she's thinking and writing.	Crunchy Frog	May 2012	#73
You disagree with her opinion, but that was an amazing essay for a 13 year old.	pnwmom	May 2012	#92
Not over the top at all	azureblue	May 2012	#108
Godwin's corollary is a bull shit internet meme.	NutmegYankee	May 2012	#169
hmm...	chervilant	May 2012	#178
It wasn't really a comparison. She didn't say education was like slavery.	jobycom	May 2012	#204
Bravo Jada	malaise	May 2012	#2
wow. She's an 8th grader?	mzteris	May 2012	#3
I went to a school which was 90% black	XemaSab	May 2012	#54
the poster is a vocal supporter of charter schools.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#122
+1	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#139
Thanks. I was wondering where that was in this mix.	patrice	May 2012	#193
YOu need to read the full story	mzteris	May 2012	#293
You and I probably agree about this story & for me, the last paragraph makes an	patrice	May 2012	#305
If "the poster" is meant to be me,I am ANTI-charter schools/vouchers/etc	SoCalDem	May 2012	#231
no, not you.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#235
You don't know what you're talking about	mzteris	May 2012	#292
oh, but i do.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#313
Obviously not.	mzteris	May 2012	#360
The lady dost protest too much.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#361
Which you must not have actually read	mzteris	May 2012	#364
wth have I said	mzteris	May 2012	#291
Sorry if there was some misunderstanding	XemaSab	May 2012	#296
K&R for this	LadyHawkAZ	May 2012	#4
Right, just like the Jim Crow laws and poll taxes	Canuckistanian	May 2012	#50
Sorry, but "overcrowded and poorly managed classrooms"	Nye Bevan	May 2012	#6
Society is being dragged back in that direction because of legions of uneducated people.	Zalatix	May 2012	#35
Disproportionate rates of imprissonment. Jasper, Texas. Trayvon Martin.	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#42
Every working person in america is forced to sell himself. Not unique to any race, creed or color.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#129
Sorry but that's NOT what she's saying. She's talking about the specific situation	pnwmom	May 2012	#95
that's not all she's saying. She's saying white teachers are deliberately refusing to actually	HiPointDem	May 2012	#132
Yeah, this is starting to reek	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#165
This is not a debate over the merits of her essay but by the response of school administrators.	Harcourdt Fenton Mud	May 2012	#148
Remember it's just the FDFNY's side of the "official" story	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#247
Correct...I went to an all white school that never had less than 60 plus kids in the class.	whathehell	May 2012	#188
This young woman was harassed, intimidated and bullied by teaching PROFESSIONALS after this...	Earth_First	May 2012	#8
Yup. Even now there are people on the other bullying thread denying this may happen.	riderinthestorm	May 2012	#69
I'm still trying to find a detailed confirmation of this...	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#159
exactly! instead of harassing her, why not	dana_b	May 2012	#217
Those White teachers who taught her how to read and write are being just like slave owners	Taitertots	May 2012	#9
She may have been home-schooled.	Zalatix	May 2012	#36
You're probably right	XemaSab	May 2012	#57
Or she's one of the extremely rare "by her own bootstraps" examples...	TheMadMonk	May 2012	#109
Why do you say that?	mzteris	May 2012	#294
Just like those white teachers who taught the Douglas children how to read?	bupkus	May 2012	#135
douglass was taught to read by the white wife of his master. and then by white children. and	HiPointDem	May 2012	#137
Sounds a lot like this 13 year old girl	bupkus	May 2012	#143
Or she may be like me.	TheKentuckian	May 2012	#210
While this 8th grader wrote a flawed analogy,	MineralMan	May 2012	#10
Because the Rochester City School District is run by corporate talent and racism that runs deep...	Earth_First	May 2012	#13
Whatever the reason, this 8th grader is not getting a proper	MineralMan	May 2012	#17
Looks like her education has been excellent so far.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#140
Yes, she did and while I don't like the response this child has received,	whathehell	May 2012	#314
The problem of these schools is not new, and I am sorry to see not much more progress has been made	freshwest	May 2012	#49
This is the closest thing I've seen to the truth in this thread.	bayareamike	May 2012	#77
another poster that doesn't understand what an analogy is	CreekDog	May 2012	#94
Huh? I definitely know what an analogy is.	bayareamike	May 2012	#127
everyone criticizing her analogy acts like they have to be the same to be in an analogy	CreekDog	May 2012	#155
If you took the time to read my post	bayareamike	May 2012	#228
After having edited my post multiple times,	bayareamike	May 2012	#303
Wrong. That 8th grader should teach you what an analogy means, because you don't know.	CreekDog	May 2012	#91
My major concern would be how she was treated by her school	ProgressiveProfessor	May 2012	#11
It was investigated.	Earth_First	May 2012	#15
it was? do you have a link for that? i've been looking and haven't been able to find any detail	HiPointDem	May 2012	#259
Google Jada Williams Rochester NY & you'll get a LOT of links ...n/t	SoCalDem	May 2012	#300
I already have, as i said. I asked for a link to the claim earth first made, because i haven't	HiPointDem	May 2012	#312
I agree with Jada, but must say that I think that this situation might apply to all students due	teddy51	May 2012	#12
the problem there	Flatpicker	May 2012	#20
what a crock of bullshit. i know some city district schoolteachers. it's their fault they have kids	dionysus	May 2012	#14
+1 Thanks. n/t	Smarmie Doofus	May 2012	#29
You can lead a horse to water, but....	aka-chmeee	May 2012	#62
i don't blame the kids. i live in the city in question. we're basically talking about children from	dionysus	May 2012	#89
I am wondering...	peace13	May 2012	#145
Can any school teach kids who come from those backgrounds?	XemaSab	May 2012	#281
It's not their fault, obviously, if they have overcrowded classrooms	pnwmom	May 2012	#96
we have had crappy superintendants, and suburbians are pissed about their property taxes	dionysus	May 2012	#102
Unfortunately, her teachers and administrators proved her point	pnwmom	May 2012	#107
"it is hard to learn because so few there are actually willing to learn"	joshcryer	May 2012	#106
the race component is only valid if the white kids (if any) are doing well. otherwise	msongs	May 2012	#16
I agree	Flatpicker	May 2012	#19
It isn't just financial...	TedBronson	May 2012	#65
Great graphic	mactime	May 2012	#88
id imagine	iamthebandfanman	May 2012	#176
PER child	chervilant	May 2012	#203
That's awesome	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#224
Yes, a white person should decide when a black person can consider something racism :sarcasm:	CreekDog	May 2012	#97
I don't think	Flatpicker	May 2012	#114
Thank you for the sanity break. n/t	whathehell	May 2012	#222
Depending upon the particular circumstances, the converse of that statement is possibly relevant too	patrice	May 2012	#205
+ 1	chervilant	May 2012	#209
Agreed. And though there may, ONLY may, be similarities in the respective failures of more or less	patrice	May 2012	#192
Rochester, New York has lost it's corporate sponsor and no longer has a reason to	CK_John	May 2012	#18
It's a very well written essay. I commend her.	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#21
She said the result was a lot alike	CreekDog	May 2012	#101
And your expertise is what exactly?	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#141
since when does one need to be an expert to know what an analogy can be?	CreekDog	May 2012	#153
And I say she's stretching it	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#156
again, where does an analogy have to be among things that are completely the same?	CreekDog	May 2012	#157
I'm going to agree to disagree with you	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#170
Your definition of false analogy would apply to saying that Jews in camps were treated like slaves	CreekDog	May 2012	#197
Sounds more specifically like race-based slavery in the U.S.	Neoma	May 2012	#180
It is an analogy	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#229
Where are you getting the impression anyone can't read or write?	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#280
Look up functional illiteracy	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#339
That's not the inability to read or write	proud2BlibKansan	May 2012	#355
Not more insulting than you	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#356
As a trained historian, I would have to agree!	zappaman	May 2012	#277
What a lost opportunity!!	blaze	May 2012	#22
I've brought up what I think are legit, decent questions	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#196
Agree completely.	kiranon	May 2012	#202
yep - that's what I was thinking too	dana_b	May 2012	#219
If you were fed poison, instead of medicine	Demeter	May 2012	#23
Do you really believe that?	XemaSab	May 2012	#68
I went to Detroit public schools	Demeter	May 2012	#72
Not just those who "aren't motivated to learn", but also about what they ARE motivated to do,	patrice	May 2012	#150
Can she (or any student, black or white)	kiva	May 2012	#25
This young lady is a very smart, observant and	Smilo	May 2012	#26
I think she's over-the-top	hairy krishna	May 2012	#27
Oh, yes, blame the teachers.	harmonicon	May 2012	#28
+1. But it's the massa's narrative:	Smarmie Doofus	May 2012	#31
And the master's narrative is showing up on this thread too. From posters that...ummm...	HiPointDem	May 2012	#82
And 76 recs so far. It's the teachers' fault that the classrooms are overcrowded...	Smarmie Doofus	May 2012	#121
a number of charter school supporters on this thread. privatization is now a progressive policy,	HiPointDem	May 2012	#123
+1000	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#125
+1	LASlibinSC	May 2012	#38
Slave owners did what they did for their own personal benefit	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#52
They just enjoy keeping black kids down because all white people are racists. They probably get	HiPointDem	May 2012	#83
Ah a bounty system	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#164
Just fyi, and for what it's worth, the 'Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York' is a Republican	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#30
BNW: you've done it again. +1,+1, +1, +1.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2012	#34
The actual website linked claims they are 'left and right' and suggest one could call them a new	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#39
there sure is a lot of that these days. all the types who stood 4-square against the civil rights	HiPointDem	May 2012	#85
thank you.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#84
It shouldn't matter who sponsered the essay series.	joshcryer	May 2012	#98
I had to bleach my brain after seeing that site	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#158
The fact is you posted the story as told by the right wing. Did you post her essay in the OP?	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#194
That is factually untrue, I did not post the story as told by the right wing. I posted the essay...	joshcryer	May 2012	#316
it's certainly instructive (and amusing/infuriating) seeing them contort to co-opt her work	fishwax	May 2012	#223
You want to really have a laugh?	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#244
lol	fishwax	May 2012	#255
I read their bullshit tenure / pension bashing which isn't the reason for this. It's class size.	joshcryer	May 2012	#317
Which leads to another question... Did this girl "really" write that paper?	MattBaggins	May 2012	#116
Thank you. nt.	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#126
We are all slaves to debt.....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#33
Hate to tell you, but 99% of working people are cog-makers for the machine as well. One way	HiPointDem	May 2012	#131
Never said we weren't....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#269
except that her explanation is the racism of white teachers as a whole, and her allies are groups	HiPointDem	May 2012	#272
I understand.....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#310
ooooooooh.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#311
+ a gazillion million!	chervilant	May 2012	#214
Exactly.	DeSwiss	May 2012	#270
Clearly she's touched a raw nerve......	marmar	May 2012	#40
But just as clearly	gratuitous	May 2012	#46
Shrill...	chervilant	May 2012	#216
If she wrote an essay that claimed public schools are no different from the holocaust . . .	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#53
The comparison may be over the top	davidthegnome	May 2012	#41
Video!	baldguy	May 2012	#45
If those are direct quotations from her essay, she seems to be learning very well,	JDPriestly	May 2012	#48
Oh, I doubt that she's communicating her own ideas.	harmonicon	May 2012	#59
Oh wow. This young woman isn't "communicating her own ideas."	joshcryer	May 2012	#99
it's not unheard of...	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#171
This OP could have been Jada speaking her own writing. Instead, it is a link to Republicans talking	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#195
Here's the actual essay:	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#220
Thanks for posting it, I already read it when the OP posted a sermon about it. Go to the source I sa	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#256
I read this essay very differently than the OP frames it	XemaSab	May 2012	#297
I'm not defending the OP. I did not post FDF's crap. I posted the essay in #98. I'm defending Jada.	joshcryer	May 2012	#319
I am about to step in hit, but I will expand her analogy	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#58
Would you like her to teach the principles of The Frederick Douglass Foundation of New York?	harmonicon	May 2012	#66
Damn you are jumping to Conclussions	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#79
The "Americans are stupid and illiterate" meme comes from the same sources.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#87
The FDFNY is exploiting her, no doubt, but her message is a good message.	joshcryer	May 2012	#103
I think it's 50/50.	harmonicon	May 2012	#134
No it is structural	nadinbrzezinski	May 2012	#198
I ask, why is her good message in need of a frame from some Republicans?	Bluenorthwest	May 2012	#260
I didn't post FDF's crap. I read the essay, then watched her perform it.	joshcryer	May 2012	#315
No I wouldn't, but I'm judging what she wrote, which is what I thought the OP was about	CreekDog	May 2012	#245
You agree and have sympathy with these statements?	harmonicon	May 2012	#253
Of course I don't condone or agree with those statements --this is a 13 year old	CreekDog	May 2012	#268
She seems like a very hate filled person	mactime	May 2012	#63
that's a horrid thing to say and I don't see how you	cali	May 2012	#67
She is 13	mactime	May 2012	#70
lots of new people in this thread	CreekDog	May 2012	#105
And lots of old people...	harmonicon	May 2012	#136
It's certainly a different DU from the past	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#183
She was obviously brought up in a home where she was taught to think for herself	pnwmom	May 2012	#104
I'd like to know the truth about the school "punishing" her for the essay	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#234
I'm not going to say hate-filled	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#167
lol. this is bright, feisty kid	cali	May 2012	#64
A good, thinking mind like that should be nurtured & rewarded, not punished.	pacalo	May 2012	#74
VIDEO interview with the student (and more links to reference)	SoCalDem	May 2012	#80
Great essay! It is so true. I saw this myself in school years ago.	McCamy Taylor	May 2012	#90
I agree. This is amazingly thoughtful for a 13 year old, whether or not a reader would	pnwmom	May 2012	#100
For a valid analogy, modern efforts to "prevent real learning from happening" would have to be	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#110
I bet most of the people who disagree with Jada	ecstatic	May 2012	#111
+1 n/t	Catherina	May 2012	#113
probably. that doesn't mean her school is bad because it's populated by racist teachers, and	HiPointDem	May 2012	#124
Truth!	Godot51	May 2012	#112
This administration has continued and intensified the policies of "no child left behind". Why	HiPointDem	May 2012	#128
Bipartisan or even Democratic does not mean an initiative is conservative	TheKentuckian	May 2012	#208
Not Over The Top At All	DallasNE	May 2012	#115
+ a gazillion!! n/t	chervilant	May 2012	#221
A very bright child, she gets what many of my peers do not /nt	Dragonfli	May 2012	#118
I'm not sure this is entirely racial	Rittermeister	May 2012	#130
As an aside, am I the only one offended that some RW front group	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#146
Thank you.	Starry Messenger	May 2012	#213
No sweat...	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#248
winger fingerprints all over this story. the folks who are always telling us cases like trayvon	HiPointDem	May 2012	#250
Quoting Woodrow Wilson:	noamnety	May 2012	#149
Blaming the teachers is merely pointing out the symptoms and not understanding the disease...	Javaman	May 2012	#151
As an experiment, set up a charter school with black students and black, mostly male, teachers	FarCenter	May 2012	#152
That raises an interesting point:	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#166
There is a significant difference in age of puberty between blacks and whites	FarCenter	May 2012	#174
Any difference in age of puberty between black & white has to do with weight & body fat %,	HiPointDem	May 2012	#252
This is total racism	XemaSab	May 2012	#200
Since black people are victims of racism, they cannot themselves be racists.	FarCenter	May 2012	#201
You ever been beat up because of the color of your skin?	XemaSab	May 2012	#206
No, but how would that be relevant?	FarCenter	May 2012	#211
If I say "I'm going to go find a black person and beat her up because she's black"	XemaSab	May 2012	#212
If you're white or Asian, you're racist; if black, no; if Latino, need more data.	FarCenter	May 2012	#215
What about someone who is half black?	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#226
So if 5 black people get together and beat me up for being white	XemaSab	May 2012	#275
Black parents train their kids not to trust white people?	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#225
It's essential for their survival in an institutionally racist white society	FarCenter	May 2012	#237
And apparently leading to modern day slavery	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#238
Beyond trust, there is the "disconnect" caused by "different cultural and historical backgrounds".	FarCenter	May 2012	#241
This focus on the "parents teaching their kids to be racist" thing for now	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#242
"Hate"? No. "Distrust"? Yes.	FarCenter	May 2012	#249
Ok, now we're getting somewhere	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#251
Individual experience doesn't matter	FarCenter	May 2012	#262
In your example the person involved	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#263
Choice just changes the probabilities of a bad interaction, not the possibility	FarCenter	May 2012	#266
Ah so it's ok to judge an entire race if you have the stats on your side	4th law of robotics	May 2012	#273
Rochester Parents United - the plot thickens.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#254
This 13-year old's essay is in a broader political fight in Rochester	FarCenter	May 2012	#265
agreed. the involvement of parents united & the folks who gave her the prize, plus the fact	HiPointDem	May 2012	#267
Ahh... yes, the family has the backing of right-wing groups which want to destroy public education.	harmonicon	May 2012	#257
1. plenty of them already exist	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#207
Statistics on parent satisfaction and on parent-teacher relationships would be most relevant	FarCenter	May 2012	#218
that's not the solution	CreekDog	May 2012	#240
Also, how would this not look like the 1950s deep south	XemaSab	May 2012	#278
You could do it in a northern city where the mayor, council, and school board are mostly black	FarCenter	May 2012	#283
Why a northern city and not, say, Atlanta?	XemaSab	May 2012	#295
Does Atlanta have predominantly white teachers? Does it have the problem that Rochester has?	FarCenter	May 2012	#298
Yes, all the teachers in Atlanta are white	XemaSab	May 2012	#299
It's hard to find statistics on school staff racial breakdowns. No affirmative action for teachers?	FarCenter	May 2012	#304
Why are you so hung up on the idea that students can't learn from teachers of different races?	XemaSab	May 2012	#306
If it's the other guy/gal, it's ALWAYS the other guy/gal. That goes for both "sides" of any question	patrice	May 2012	#154
Failure...	Lost-in-FL	May 2012	#161
Agreed! in all but "... privilege is freedom." Any position that CANNOT survive without oppression	patrice	May 2012	#168
Thanks for the reference.	Lost-in-FL	May 2012	#181
It's in google books:	patrice	May 2012	#185
BTW, Freire is also the more widely recognized source of: "Teachers as Learners and Learners as	patrice	May 2012	#190
I understand her issue with the lack of funding and the continuing packets (busy work).	Jennicut	May 2012	#173
For having such a terrible education,	iamthebandfanman	May 2012	#177
Agree with the Kid.	Octafish	May 2012	#184
Busy work...sigh...teachers that live off of 'busy work'	Rex	May 2012	#199
Stolen Hypothesis from the GOP	lobodons	May 2012	#233
Not just low information voters, but also, voters with information engineered to specs	patrice	May 2012	#258
K/R and BTW, Race or Class, doesn't matter, it's about power in the hands of a few.	NYC_SKP	May 2012	#261
yes, it's certainly about the ability of power to create narratives that further its power.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#264
The reaction she got proves her point.	Curmudgeoness	May 2012	#276
I have serious doubts about the "harassment and intimidation"	Blue_Tires	May 2012	#279
At the very least	XemaSab	May 2012	#301
That is a good point.	Curmudgeoness	May 2012	#308
"The Frederick Douglass Foundation...brings the sanctity of free market and limited government ideas	HiPointDem	May 2012	#320
Please don't diminish Jada who is also being exploted by the FDF.	joshcryer	May 2012	#322
Pointing out the nature of the Frederick Douglass Foundation diminishes Jada? No, I don't think	HiPointDem	May 2012	#326
Yes, it does. It's basically side tracking what she said.	joshcryer	May 2012	#329
I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay. I don't think kids'	HiPointDem	May 2012	#331
I'm quite interested in what children have to say.	joshcryer	May 2012	#335
good for you.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#336
BTW, thanks for explaining your diminishment for all to see.	joshcryer	May 2012	#337
I think people who resort to personal attacks in political discussions diminish themselves.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#341
"I'm not really interested in what some kid in Rochester writes in an essay." That's diminishment.	joshcryer	May 2012	#342
You certainly are. And words do have meanings. Easier to understand when you keep them	HiPointDem	May 2012	#343
Jada Willams has only a few hits on Google news.	joshcryer	May 2012	#344
I'm interested in what kids have to say	XemaSab	May 2012	#338
She also empathizes with her peers who can't read like she can.	joshcryer	May 2012	#340
I'm a teacher, and I'd agree with her.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#321
Something to consider.	Rex	May 2012	#325
Oh, I doubt it's that.	knitter4democracy	May 2012	#359
Rochester School District targeted by the Broad Foundation.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#345
And here's what Broad brought to Rochester: it's all about firing teachers.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#347
They're quite open about their agenda in the 4th update to the original story.	joshcryer	May 2012	#350
Rochester School District targeted by Gates Foundation	HiPointDem	May 2012	#346
No shit. No bearing on Jada's essay.	joshcryer	May 2012	#348
Rochester: Criticism Over High Stakes Standardized Testing	HiPointDem	May 2012	#351
Rochester targeted by "Parent Revolution:" The "Parents United" Group is part of this push.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#353
Rochester City School District stats: Students = 75% poor, 65% black, 22% hispanic, 11% white,	HiPointDem	May 2012	#354

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