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Why Hillary Clinton must turn her back on parts of her husbands political legacy to win in 2016.
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If Bill Clinton had a chief political goal in his two terms as president, it was to win working-class whites and restore the Democratic Party as the home for their concerns. To that end, Clinton and his allies were enthusiastic supporters of legislation such as the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, and the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996laws that spoke to the cultural concerns of lower-income whites.
Clinton didnt succeed in luring working-class whites back, but he stopped the bleeding, strengthening Democrats in Rust Belt and mid-Atlantic states, where they were crucial. And while this wouldnt save Al Gore in his bid for the presidency, it would keep Democrats competitive in House and Senate races and contribute to their huge wins in the 2006 midterm elections.
Now the picture is different. Since Barack Obamas election in 2008, working-class whitesand whites overallhave left the Democratic Party in droves. At the same time, the party has moved to the left, pushed by an Obama-led coalition of young people, minorities, and socially liberal whites. One result is that, under a more liberal Democratic president, those Clinton-era policies have come under sustained assault. Before the Supreme Court struck its key provision, the Defense of Marriage Act was all but abandoned by the Obama administration, part of the rapid march toward broad acceptance of same-sex marriage. Welfare reform is still law, and the crime bill is still on the books, but as with DOMA, a new generation of liberals has challenged the underpinnings of both, with louder calls for state support of families and children and greater skepticism of the criminal justice system.
The fact of this new coalition puts Hillary Clinton, who seeks to succeed Obama on her own merits even as shes indelibly tied to the first Clinton presidency, in a difficult place. Her task is to reassemble and re-energize Obamas coalition, while also winning whites who may have left the party during Obamas tenure, and even moving some whites (namely, white women) to the Democratic column.
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If Bill Clinton had a chief political goal in his two terms as president, it was to win working-class whites and restore the Democratic Party as the home for their concerns. To that end, Clinton and his allies were enthusiastic supporters of legislation such as the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, and the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996laws that spoke to the cultural concerns of lower-income whites.
Clinton didnt succeed in luring working-class whites back, but he stopped the bleeding, strengthening Democrats in Rust Belt and mid-Atlantic states, where they were crucial. And while this wouldnt save Al Gore in his bid for the presidency, it would keep Democrats competitive in House and Senate races and contribute to their huge wins in the 2006 midterm elections.
Now the picture is different. Since Barack Obamas election in 2008, working-class whitesand whites overallhave left the Democratic Party in droves. At the same time, the party has moved to the left, pushed by an Obama-led coalition of young people, minorities, and socially liberal whites. One result is that, under a more liberal Democratic president, those Clinton-era policies have come under sustained assault. Before the Supreme Court struck its key provision, the Defense of Marriage Act was all but abandoned by the Obama administration, part of the rapid march toward broad acceptance of same-sex marriage. Welfare reform is still law, and the crime bill is still on the books, but as with DOMA, a new generation of liberals has challenged the underpinnings of both, with louder calls for state support of families and children and greater skepticism of the criminal justice system.
The fact of this new coalition puts Hillary Clinton, who seeks to succeed Obama on her own merits even as shes indelibly tied to the first Clinton presidency, in a difficult place. Her task is to reassemble and re-energize Obamas coalition, while also winning whites who may have left the party during Obamas tenure, and even moving some whites (namely, white women) to the Democratic column.
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Maybe it's best to let people speak for themselves. I'm one of those who supported Obama and I won't
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#16
Alert stalking and attempts to stop opposition, yes. Whether it becomes a purge depends on
merrily
Apr 2015
#150
You're bragging that she supposedly captured the whites who left the Dem Party over Obama?
merrily
Apr 2015
#122
Since she hasn't decided how she wants to define herself all we can go on is her past record
davidpdx
Apr 2015
#175
I know, I can't believe people give him a break on so many things and that one thing especially.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#8
No, not given a break. I refer to his fans who may want to underplay the significance of it.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#11
Someone should point out their affair started when she showed him her thong...
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#51
"Adults have sex. You may not approve, but it happens every day." Until you're the victim.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#61
Not when she was an adult at the time of sound mind, and she actually DID instigate it.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#124
You know, Larry Flynt catches a lot of shit from some people around here...
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#24
Does he? I haven't seen any posts here condemning Flynt for his stand on the impeachment.
merrily
Apr 2015
#26
There hasn't really been a ton of discussion of the Clinton impeachment in general here
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#38
But only one of them was an employer and only one of them committed perjury on national TV,, being
merrily
Apr 2015
#27
Okay, first off, he didn't "commit perjury on national tv". He lied on national tv, which is not the
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#35
There was no perjury. That was a Right Wing Noise Machine claim. The judge dismissed that case on
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#71
I agree...This is like re-litigating the O J case again and again./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#72
I agree...This is like re-litigating the O J case again and again./NT
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#72
He did commit perjury on national TV. His testimony, under oath, was televised.
merrily
Apr 2015
#112
He committed perjury. That is what he was impeached for, perjury. What are you quibbling about?
merrily
Apr 2015
#115
He was also disbarred for lying under oath and that did involve a court proceeding.
merrily
Apr 2015
#119
Regardless, no one forced him to lie under oath. Paula Jones did not consent to anything.
merrily
Apr 2015
#129
Right, and she was pretty clearly manipulated from the get-go by right wingers with an agenda.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#132
If she was a pawn or manipulated, I think it throws her claims into question, don't you?
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#146
Not really. It's pretty specific. And, in this case, probably preferable to what occurred.
merrily
Apr 2015
#163
Are you new here? Do you not have a clue about sexual harassment in the workplace?
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#64
Did Monica Lewinsky ever allege that it was sexual harassment? No, sir, she did not.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#75
Well said. And the impacts of these affairs is felt by coworkers in that hostile workplace.
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#173
"If anyone else does it, we want them in jail but if Bill does it, no problemo? "
NCTraveler
Apr 2015
#63
I DEMAND THAT EVERYONE WHO EVER HAD ORAL SEX OUTSIDE THE SANCTITY OF A CHRIST-CENTRIC MARRIAGE
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#88
Google an individual president's name and affair and make up your own mind.
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#162
I'll say this: If all the pro-Hillary people have to run on are empty platitudes and "inevitability"
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#37
He did not have to sign it. He did not disavow it, either, until the Obama administration.
merrily
Apr 2015
#17
They bagged a majority in the house of representatives because of redistricting & political reality.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#92
Thank you for the needed history lesson -- too many people seem to have forgotten that context
pnwmom
Apr 2015
#30
He not only supported DOMA but bragged about it in radio ads in his reelection campaign.
AtomicKitten
Apr 2015
#103
lol, Hillary doesn't give clear answers on anything until it's thoroughly poll tested.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2015
#102
Like Al Gore did? No she shouldn't... Clinton was a good president, the two Bush's were horrible...
uponit7771
Apr 2015
#49
No he was not, all inclusive with progressive legislation he was good... not FDR not JFK but good...
uponit7771
Apr 2015
#65
Telecommunications Act, Repeal of Glass Steagall, ending "welfare as we know it" NAFTA, DOMA, DADT.
merrily
Apr 2015
#155
Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards hold auto industry to fuel average fuel economy stds
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#170
Hmmm, actually reading that, I'm not sure I was calling my truck by the right name.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Apr 2015
#172
I can't believe this thread. The point of the whole OP was that Hillary would do well to turn her
jwirr
Apr 2015
#66
I'm amazed that some people here are still flogging the clenis outrage
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#77
Clinton created a hostile workplace environment and would have lost his job in the private sector...
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#81
It's clearly not true that FDR's affair is just as relevant to Hillary's run as Bill's affair.
merrily
Apr 2015
#179
The point of the matter, no one should give two shits about Bill's affair
justiceischeap
Apr 2015
#180
Right, why bother to talk to me directly, when you can find out everything I think from YOU!
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#186
Well, then why do you drop into random threads to ascribe shit to me that I've never said?
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#188