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Sun Mar 22, 2015, 01:34 PM Mar 2015

Try and promote one candidate other than Hillary [View all]

...ffs, and don't just rail on and on about how opposed you are to Hillary. It's self-defeating to do nothing but just line up against one Democratic candidate and spend absolutely no time promoting the positions, declarations, opinions, etc. of others you would support. In the end, most of that negativity will just play into the hands of those whose goal is to divide our Democratic coalition among ourselves.

I think Hillary Clinton would be a tired and stale choice for those who expect more progressiveness in our politics and presidency, and I regularly post the views on issues and events from Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Martin 'O'Malley. I've seen others here mention potential candidates, like Joe Biden, Sherrod Brown, Jim Webb, and several others who I have not considered as my personal choice, but I'd be very interested if their views were posted here (by those who support them) on a regular basis for contrast.

Bottom line is, though, it's easy as hell to talk about who you oppose; much more complex to present a candidate whose views are counter to that opposition; even easier to just throw your hands up and say screw them all, as some will do. We need positive politics to go with progressiveness if we expect to propel our issues into the national debate. That means making the hard choices of who to support and representing and defending them. That's what I'd like to see, going forward.

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Excellent point...it's easy to cut down HRC...what are people doing to build other msanthrope Mar 2015 #1
Just in the past couple of days, I've seen some folks promoting MineralMan Mar 2015 #2
Progressives will love him but he has tax problems leftofcool Mar 2015 #6
I'm betting that progressives will also find fault with him. MineralMan Mar 2015 #7
I heard him address the 'tax' issue in a speech last week bigtree Mar 2015 #12
Senator Sanders has said that he'll need an actual 'movement' to make a presidential bid real bigtree Mar 2015 #10
Thanks. As I said, I'm unfamiliar with him. MineralMan Mar 2015 #11
And just as quickly ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #33
In reality, there is no candidate who can win MineralMan Mar 2015 #35
Things that make ya go "hmmmmm". Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #46
"Hi! I'm Martin O'Malley, NOT Hillary Clinton. and I AM running for President" FrodosPet Mar 2015 #47
Why at this time must we choose? It's not part of a logical sequence to do this first. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #3
Well, by this time in 2007, people were already discussing Obama. MineralMan Mar 2015 #4
wrong spot bigtree Mar 2015 #9
there's no correct 'sequence,' really bigtree Mar 2015 #5
Well, for most people who do planning for problem solving I think there really is. HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #8
We don't have to. But many people are choosing to use this time to slam Hillary, pnwmom Mar 2015 #17
I see voting as a type of informed problem solving... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #19
I think people appear to be "carping" about unity because they're responding to others pnwmom Mar 2015 #20
I think that's actually not quite the way the events transpired HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #22
Because 'holding fire' serves her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #26
I'm happy to promote a whole host of other candidates. LWolf Mar 2015 #13
I don't believe we have to wait for these folks to declare just to have a discussion bigtree Mar 2015 #14
Okay. LWolf Mar 2015 #18
Congresswoman Barbara Lee is the choice for Democrats if we want to WIN! Dems to Win Mar 2015 #15
More info on Barbara Lee: lovemydog Mar 2015 #51
It's getting really old, isn't it? It's almost as if DU... Hekate Mar 2015 #16
I've seen negative stuff about O'Malley, Sanders, Warren, and Webb. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #30
I'd support Bernie Sanders if I thought he could win, but I don't, so I support Elizabeth Warren. Scuba Mar 2015 #21
Kerry/Warren? YvonneCa Mar 2015 #34
Sure, Kerry was such an exciting candidate in 2004. He really knocked 'em dead. Scuba Mar 2015 #38
You know my immense respect for Kerry, but there are two problems here: karynnj Mar 2015 #59
We do not control the game nor are the rules for our benefit so why the devotion to playing as TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #23
organization is everything bigtree Mar 2015 #24
I don't think any organizing can happen as long as the party is run by the crooks and conservatives TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #54
the Democratic party isn't going anywhere bigtree Mar 2015 #55
You're missing me, I'm talking about control of the party not another one. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #61
Populism vs Corporatism? Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #31
very much agree... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #53
People have been promoting candidates, but the Hillary-bashing is appropriate, too. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #25
It's primarily the challenger's responsibility to generate enough support to promote and defend them bigtree Mar 2015 #42
This theme of "doing the Republicans' ground work" is misguided. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #45
well, Jim, I'm not a 'Clinton supporter' bigtree Mar 2015 #48
I respectfully disagree. Vattel Mar 2015 #27
who? bigtree Mar 2015 #40
You misunderstand me. Vattel Mar 2015 #44
Kick! Agschmid Mar 2015 #28
I wanted Joe in 2008. riqster Mar 2015 #29
Oh, Biden. KamaAina Mar 2015 #56
Ain't no perfect candidate. riqster Mar 2015 #60
I'm going to do this in another thread at some point. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #32
LOL, OK, thanks for posting your thought process. I will alert the media. nt Logical Mar 2015 #37
So your logic is that if Hillary has many non-progressive stances we cannot call her out unless..... Logical Mar 2015 #36
call her out all you want bigtree Mar 2015 #39
I could not understand your whining. I still don't. Nt Logical Mar 2015 #41
that's because you see it as 'whining' and have no interest in an actual discussion bigtree Mar 2015 #49
I think quite few of us are just boggled that a pro Iraq war politician is now the chosen Democrat Fumesucker Mar 2015 #43
I think it's a consequence of our two-term president's lack of leadership away from that militarism bigtree Mar 2015 #50
You're talking to the walking dead leftofcool Mar 2015 #52
I would have to know who's running. There is nothing "wrong" mmonk Mar 2015 #57
no, nothing wrong with that bigtree Mar 2015 #58
I'm happy to have all candidates participate in a robust primary season. hamsterjill Mar 2015 #62
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