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In reply to the discussion: I Truly Believe That There Are People Who Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)65. You're arguing a strawman and avoiding the actual content of my post.
I never claim that both parties are the same. That is a convenient strawman often used by corporate posters to divert from the *actual* main idea in a post.
In fact, I have repeatedly pointed out how the parties deliberately diverge on social issues that are important to people but which the One Percent could not care less about, in order to blackmail people into voting for the predatory economic, war, and police state agenda that the One Percent DO care about and that the parties deliberately share.
Of course, you knew that already. You might even have seen my most recent post about it here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6231259
Yes, that's certainly the Lesser of Two Evils Scam that corporatists in both parties keep using on us.Red vs. Blue = Oligarchy Theater for the masses.
Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons. Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.
Selling off swaths of the Gulf of Mexico for drilling? Both parties support it.
Drilling along the Atlantic Coast? Both parties support it.
BUT, we are reminded by sneering corporate Democrats, Republicans will do all of this to us, too, PLUS inflict transvaginal ultrasounds!
What a vicious scam by both parties to justify relentless, predatory evil. To demand that we vote for our own sellout and exploitation and the dismantling of our democracy itself.
So...now that we've determined what my point wasn't, let's post again what I actually did write:http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6261687
We live in an oligarchy, not a democracy.
Corporatists don't care which party wins, as long as the corporate agenda continues.
IMO both corporate parties want a Republican in next time. The Democratic Party is deliberately losing elections (Recall the DCCC "Accept Doom" email campaign) and deliberately alienating its base. Even the party mouthpieces are not just shoving Hillary down our throats, but being ostentatiously rude and obnoxious about it. The propaganda topic of the day everywhere is whether people will still vote for Hillary. I think they want people to abandon ship.
Why? Because six years of predatory Wall Street policies coming from a supposedly Democratic president have woken too many people in the country up to the fact that the parties are corrupt.
Once they have the Republican in office, I predict all the corporate Democrats will suddenly start pretending to oppose all these vicious corporate policies they have been shoving down our throats for eight years. The horrible policies will continue, and they will put on a good Kabuki show of being the vehement, albeit impotent, opposition party.
That way, the corporatists hope, the people will be reassured that we really still do have a democracy. We can stop all this silly talk about oligarchy and corruption. People will believe that the Democratic Party stands for their interests, and we can all go back to pretending that the only problem we have is that Republicans are in office and we need to get the corporate Democrats back in.
I don't think that's unclear at all.
Yes, it matters to *people* who wins elections. We are deliberately blackmailed and manipulated to support parties based on the the important social issues I mentioned (YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE ABORTION RIGHTS, DO YOU?), but we are also relentlessly propagandized to hate the other team so that we will never unite with them to oppose the predatory economic, war, and police state agenda that the parties do share. So yes, the *people* are trained, and blackmailed, to consider party immensely important.
The oligarchs care only about putting into power whichever party can most easily, in the current political climate, continue implementing the predatory corporate agenda (economic, war, police state policies) that the two parties share.
The entrenchment and expansion of that predatory Bush agenda for two more terms, under a Democratic president who ran on Hope and Change, has awakened people to how corrupt our system has truly become. That both parties are working for Wall Street against our interests in these areas, whatever the other differences between the parties may be. That we have oligarchy rather than democracy. And that it is going to take more than voting for one of the corrupt parties to fix it.
That's the political climate in which decisions are being made about which party can most easily carry forward the next steps of the corporate takeover of this nation. And for the reasons I explained in my post, I think it will be very useful for the corporate elite to have Republicans back in power again, and corporate Democrats pretending to oppose them.
I think the behavior of corporate Democrats lately toward their own base suggests that I'm right. They're *trying* to suppress the 2016 Democratic vote.
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I Truly Believe That There Are People Who Will Not Vote for Hillary Clinton [View all]
MineralMan
Feb 2015
OP
I think many assume these posters actually vote for Democrats. I've never made that assumption.
Tarheel_Dem
Feb 2015
#81
Nice callout. If you want my vote, you're going to have to select someone worth voting for.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#5
No we don't. Back to school with you. Please read up on who comprises the electoral college.
NYC_SKP
Feb 2015
#14
No one said anything about the presidential run, the primary run is what this poster is talking
uponit7771
Feb 2015
#19
Hey Skp. I am not a one issue voter, I have many reasons I won't vote for Hillary.
Autumn
Feb 2015
#10
I will do what I can during the primary process to select someone else.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Feb 2015
#9
I Believe A lot Of Independents Especially Women Will Vote For Hillary...
Corey_Baker08
Feb 2015
#17
The problem is that the millennials, and especially the young black millennials
GuntherGebelWilliams
Feb 2015
#41
None of my three children or their SO's, all millennials, will vote for Hillary.
Ikonoklast
Feb 2015
#78
All the OP's on this reinforce my belief that the goal of both parties is a Republican in 2016.
woo me with science
Feb 2015
#34
You're arguing a strawman and avoiding the actual content of my post.
woo me with science
Feb 2015
#65
I've never voted for a nominee that was my actual first choice nor one I particularly liked
Bluenorthwest
Feb 2015
#57