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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:05 PM

8. that's not a very good transcript

Last edited Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:32 PM - Edit history (2)

There was really lots of crosstalk.

"My passion on this issue, is actually me making factual arguments."

Mostly, I think he was right and she was wrong.

I still believe the 77 cents to the dollar is a nonsense statistic which merely compares median incomes to median incomes by various classes and ASSUMES that there is no other reason for a variation between medians than discrimination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47078102/ns/business-careers/t/women-make-cents-each-made-men/

http://www.pay-equity.org/ (note the link to the pdf file there gets the 77 cents figure by comparing medians - just like I said. Again that just assumes that the median will factor out all other factors like different employers, different amouts of education, or experience, different amounts of lobbying or aggression (sometimes people get higher pay because they push, push, push for it), etc. It is simply NOT an apples to apples comparison.)

It is a nonsense statistic comparing pay without using a baseline of equal work.

Even beyond that, in the final analysis it is hard to compare "equal work". Take last night at my job. There were four of us working. We worked equal hours, but was our work really equal? There's no good way to compare. For example, I picked up the dance floor by myself. That's some heavy lifting there. Of the forty wood tables that went to the gym, I moved twenty of them by myself and assisted with the rest. That's 1200 pounds of lifting and hauling and setting down that I did. It's not like we divide things up equally, where each worker takes 10 tables or 7.5 squares of the dance floor.

I note that, because when I had women co-workers, they got equal pay, but they didn't do equal amounts of lifting. But that is true of some of the men too. Scott used to complain about Kate, and it is true that he could outlift her, but Kate was a way better worker than him even if she could only roll or lift one table at a time instead of two. Probably 90% of the job does not involve lifting.

But I am sure that people will respond with factual arguments rather than with I look forward to a vigorous debate. You know I've got an a$$-kicking coming. If nothing else, email this link to Rachel and have her hit me with some factual arguments. I'll fight the Rhodes scholar with one paw tied behind my back. Put 'em up. Put 'em up.

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