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freshwest

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27. I don't agree. A number of Democrats don't like it, at all.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:33 PM
Apr 2012

They didn't want Obama to actually be a real C-in-C and thought the wars would end sooner. I think there were contracts and promises made that carried over.

Reading complaints about Obama's actions using the military, I restrained myself from saying what I really thought on other boards I used to post on. If I had, it would have read like this:

I was not voting for second coming of Jesus Christ, to bring eternal love and peace to the entire planet. I voted for the best POTUS. The job description entails life and death decisions that one can stand aloof from and safely look down on as a civilian. Obama can't.

The USA has been the major military power on this planet throughout my lifetime. It's not what I wanted, but that is what it is. Many of us who are anti-war may have benefited from that, though we don't like it. Much of the world doesn't see the anti-war movement as innocent, they assign collective guilt to every American, which is pretty much what the argument for invading Afghanistan, etc., was.

I felt no joy or sorrow about the death of Bin Laden, as he knew the game he was playing, but was relieved for the announcement itself. Because perception matters in such things. It could change the national focus, which needs to be here at home. I felt relief, even if it was only an 'excuse' to end the war and not invade Iran.

It could have Obama's Nixon moment of 'declaring victory and going home,' for all I cared. I care about the results. The right wants to keep the wars going and they have mobilized all their forces, the churches, media shills and lobbyists to argue for it.

The reason Bush gave for going to war was primarily Bin Laden & Co. That reason was eliminated in the most public way by Obama's announcement, which did not satisfy the left or the right, although nothing Obama has ever been or said meets their approval and never will, and that was enough for me.

I don't think this will work as both camps will find different reasons to be offended by emphasizing it.

Some of the left will say it was improperly done, that he should have been brought in alive, that his death proves Obama to be a warmonger and assassin.

The right will continue to say OBL is still alive because they haven't seen the body. Both sides argue OBL was dead years ago after seeing news stories and edicts he is alleged to have made during the Bush years.

So for that reason I think the campaign needs to focus on the basics and not this issue. IMHO.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah poor ReTHUGS [View all] malaise Apr 2012 OP
What a bunch of whiners livetohike Apr 2012 #1
Yet Boehner calls Obama a loser. freshwest Apr 2012 #4
Boehner, et al, having nothing to run on. Nothing. They have accomplished nothing and they have livetohike Apr 2012 #9
Hi! XanaDUer Apr 2012 #28
Hi back! livetohike Apr 2012 #32
Hi also! Didn't reply earlier since I agreed fully. freshwest Apr 2012 #38
I remember that night like it happened a minute ago, and my first reaction was the President monmouth Apr 2012 #2
You nailed it malaise Apr 2012 #10
I don't agree. A number of Democrats don't like it, at all. freshwest Apr 2012 #27
Everything you wrote makes sense but this was their issue malaise Apr 2012 #33
Perhaps there is a demographic that will consider that to be a reason to vote for Obama and not be . freshwest Apr 2012 #35
Did you watch this today? malaise Apr 2012 #42
The truth cannot be suppressed for *all* people. Truth is not a slave to popularity. freshwest Apr 2012 #44
That's the only good news malaise Apr 2012 #45
my dad used to say JitterbugPerfume Apr 2012 #3
That was my paternal grandma's line malaise Apr 2012 #7
Maybe your Dad and mine were brothers livetohike Apr 2012 #12
My dad said the same thing. freshwest Apr 2012 #46
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2012 #64
You gotta hand it to the GOP for never, ever using Osama Bin Laden for lunatica Apr 2012 #5
David Gregory is a fugging hack malaise Apr 2012 #6
Obama got Osama would be the right bumper sticker for the times madokie Apr 2012 #16
Really showed what he was, a toady. Can't give any quarter with Rove, ever. freshwest Apr 2012 #47
And he did it in such a gutsy way, knowing all the pitfalls that could happen but seeing it CTyankee Apr 2012 #55
Good one! I forgot about those color codes and how they'd conjure up some terrorism to Frustratedlady Apr 2012 #34
they'd have made a monument to Bush if he had caught or killed him bigtree Apr 2012 #8
We need to use these great clips in ads malaise Apr 2012 #13
And lest we forget the ultimate 911 capitalizer, who did shit to capture bin Laden: MoonRiver Apr 2012 #11
I'm waiting for Giuliani to chime in aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #15
You mean St Rudy of 9/11 who was against Rmoney before he malaise Apr 2012 #18
Wait..... Is that a Teleprompter in front of Pres. Bush, say it ain't so Joe!! ArnoldLayne Apr 2012 #30
Updated picture! Rex Apr 2012 #62
Sweet malaise Apr 2012 #71
Love It! MoonRiver Apr 2012 #74
How do these assholes look at themselves in the mirror in the morning to shave their ugly mugs I ask madokie Apr 2012 #14
Imagine trying to tell Obama that it's unpatriotic and divisive malaise Apr 2012 #17
They have nothing, madokie Apr 2012 #20
They have no choice BumRushDaShow Apr 2012 #23
If you could take all the republicon congress critters madokie Apr 2012 #26
Dividing WHOM, precisely? Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #19
Of course malaise Apr 2012 #21
The republican that is no longer in my life and I were dancing together when Pres Obama announced it jillan Apr 2012 #22
It's hard not,... LASlibinSC Apr 2012 #24
Anyone got something other than Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah! Zax2me Apr 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Apr 2012 #37
I noticed that David Gregory was very aggressive in challenging those points. kentuck Apr 2012 #29
Typical hack malaise Apr 2012 #31
Yeah, it's always 1 against 4 or more in these talks... 4 Cons vs. 1 Lib, names don't matter. freshwest Apr 2012 #48
Well that sure is the Sunday talk show recipe malaise Apr 2012 #49
And the symbolism speaks louder than the facts Maddow spoke. It's a con job. freshwest Apr 2012 #57
He's also been pushing the "Killing OBL doesn't really matter" meme as well. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #51
Isn't it amazing? Hissyspit Apr 2012 #36
Seriously they are beyond brazen malaise Apr 2012 #39
Check this out malaise Apr 2012 #40
"How dare you quote me in context!" n/t krispos42 Apr 2012 #41
LOL malaise Apr 2012 #43
Divide it into what? Shankapotomus Apr 2012 #50
Arianna Huffington agrees with him too! Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #52
AWWWW did the babies get all upset that Daddy Obama Rex Apr 2012 #53
Obama was great a few minutes ago at the press conference malaise Apr 2012 #54
do you have a link to the presser by any chance? I missed it...damn... CTyankee Apr 2012 #56
I'm searching for a link malaise Apr 2012 #58
I'd love to see that too! Rex Apr 2012 #59
Turn on M$NBC right fugging now malaise Apr 2012 #61
On it!!! Rex Apr 2012 #63
My oh My cross eyed Christie is bawling malaise Apr 2012 #65
Wow what a bunch of babies. Rex Apr 2012 #68
They are bawling because they made Bin Laden the terrorist of terrorists malaise Apr 2012 #69
Ha very good observation. Rex Apr 2012 #70
Turn on Martin Bashir on GEM$NBComcast malaise Apr 2012 #60
I just watched the "Forward" video and it is a winner that will really turn them into whiners. jwirr Apr 2012 #66
Bashir is great right now malaise Apr 2012 #67
Just keeping this kicked.....it's been awhile a kennedy Oct 2012 #75
Maybe the country should UNITE BEHIND PRESIDENT OBAMA! Bake Apr 2012 #72
They're trying to muddy the waters for the gullible malaise Apr 2012 #73
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