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JayhawkSD

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14. I wish more attention would be paid to "collective bargaining"
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:43 AM
Apr 2012

and the difference between that and "unionism." The latter includes the former, but it also includes a whole panoply of add-ons, some of which are okay, and some of which are really destructive. Take this from a long time member of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, and a guy who is so much a supporter of collective bargaining that I believe it should be a requirement of incorporation.

For instance, it came to be very common that the people who were negotiating the contracts were not full time workers in the plants they were representing, but were "suits" hired by those workers to do the negotiating for them. That was part of the downfall of the unions, because those suits had an interest in making the negotiations as contentious as possible, and dragging them out as long as possible, to make themselves look good and "justify" their pay to the workers. They communicated inaccurately to the workers, misrepresented management offers, and fomented discord to their own benefit.

Contrast that with the recent non-strike by grocery workers in San Diego recently. The workers in the store remained on the job, cheerfully and efficiently serving customers during four months of difficult negotiations after they voted the authorization to strike if needed. The negotiations persevered and were successful in preventing a strike because the union negotiators were people who were current full time grocery workers taking time out from their jobs to negotiate in behalf of their coworkers. There was trust on both sides.

That is the way unionism should work, focused upon and preserving the collective bargaining process. Yes, management has been hostile to unions, but big unions sowed some of the seeds of their own destructions as well.

Yeah, I caught that too. obxhead Apr 2012 #1
I think you are right. efhmc Apr 2012 #10
I'd have to agree given the recent history Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #33
It's an excellent discussion. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #2
Well documented... Scuba Apr 2012 #3
Why don't politicians talk about productivity? kentuck Apr 2012 #4
Speaking of correlations (and anticorrelations)... caraher Apr 2012 #12
More production with less labor input means increased productivity. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #29
what do you mean? Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #34
The problem is they only see productivity in terms of money, not goods or services workers provide. freshwest Apr 2012 #31
And this, too, is due to the loss of collective bargaining JayhawkSD Apr 2012 #15
Reagan-Bush Years Started It DallasNE Apr 2012 #32
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #5
didn't need a graph to know that was the case. when are working people in this country KG Apr 2012 #6
It's an important graph that Ed Schultz has used repeatedly since March of last year: highplainsdem Apr 2012 #7
Toss in the 1%'s share and we'll see where it went. /nt Festivito Apr 2012 #8
K&R. Overseas Apr 2012 #9
One piture penndragon69 Apr 2012 #11
I wonder how many foreign car drivers JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #13
Here's one! JusticeForAll Apr 2012 #17
Which is owned by Ford obxhead Apr 2012 #19
Congratulations. JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #22
I did. obxhead Apr 2012 #18
Sorry to offend, the DU hypocrisy is a bit much at times JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #20
That fact that Honda of Ohio was using prison labor doesn't bother you? NNN0LHI Apr 2012 #23
That does bother me in fact. obxhead Apr 2012 #26
I wish more attention would be paid to "collective bargaining" JayhawkSD Apr 2012 #14
Agree! lonestarnot Apr 2012 #24
That's the same modus operandi that congress critters and politicians use. xtraxritical Apr 2012 #30
Good points. Union members would need legal advice when negotiating contracts. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #35
K & R nt abelenkpe Apr 2012 #16
Trickle down (and down, and down, and down) capitalist economics. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #21
This graph begs to answer some questions Pavlo Apr 2012 #25
Oh, for fuck's sake - what the hell is "middle class" supposed to mean? harmonicon Apr 2012 #27
They are pulling a Romney on America madashelltoo Apr 2012 #28
Article: ProSense May 2012 #36
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