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1monster

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68. I have a different take on life... More and more, I believe Everything is sentient...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:45 PM
Feb 2015

That the whole universe is one ginormous connection of sentient entities.

We've seen videos of turtles showing empathy (and the Golden Rule perpaps), in helping another turtle get back on its feet when it flipped on its back.

Scientists have discovered that crops and other plants send out super sonic screams for help during droughts. The ants that invade the classrooms when the rains come show self-awareness and knowledge that each individual is in danger when a finger comes at it as it tries to hide under a book or paper on a desk.

I am sometimes haunted by the memory of a young live oak tree that grew very swiftly in our back yard. Our drain field was no longer working and we had to have a new one built. The health department, which issued the permit for the new drain field, said the live oak had to go.

As the tree surgeons began to first trim off the large branches, the tree began to tremble and shake. Even when the saws were silent and the men stepped away from it to adjust the ladders and other eqipment, the tree did not stop shaking until it was down.

I believe that the whole of everything is on a constant cycle of life, chage, death, renewal and rebirth. "Therefore," as John Donne once wrote, "never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for there."

Sure is. elleng Feb 2015 #1
I was raised in the Catholic Church. I went to 13 years of Catholic school. sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #71
My husband was raised in the Catholic Church, elleng Feb 2015 #73
I'm sorry he had a bad experience. sundevil2000 Feb 2015 #162
Agree. ananda Feb 2015 #124
Easier for an adult to do that than for a child. nt truebluegreen Feb 2015 #157
The golden rule comes from religion to start out with ... kwassa Feb 2015 #2
Which religion does the golden rule come from? Kalidurga Feb 2015 #4
The principle exists in virtually every religion. hifiguy Feb 2015 #5
Which makes it a human universal, which makes it inherent morality without religion bhikkhu Feb 2015 #22
It's inherence in humans across the world hifiguy Feb 2015 #42
You may have seen this before, but anyway.... xocet Feb 2015 #93
Those monkeys are clearly a lot more clued in hifiguy Feb 2015 #96
This is true. ladyVet Feb 2015 #147
You can't really say that Buddhism is a god-free ethical system Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #43
Christianity, and about 20 other faiths. kwassa Feb 2015 #7
Do you know what religion the Neanderthals were Kalidurga Feb 2015 #8
I think they were Scientologists. kwassa Feb 2015 #9
Neanderthal scientologists. hifiguy Feb 2015 #10
Some say Scientologists still are Neanderthal. kwassa Feb 2015 #20
Scientology wheniwasincongress Feb 2015 #127
Sure I can. I can criticize whatever I want. kwassa Feb 2015 #129
it's extremely hypocritical wheniwasincongress Feb 2015 #134
In your opinion. Thank you. kwassa Feb 2015 #136
Yeah the Golden Rule is innate Kalidurga Feb 2015 #11
Religion is innate, too. kwassa Feb 2015 #13
Spirituality perhaps Kalidurga Feb 2015 #17
People organized in religious communities where they were. kwassa Feb 2015 #18
I completely disagree. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #44
The Abrahamic religions seem to have been made up as a means of societal control. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #56
Joseph Campbell said that the monothesitic religions were the first to see God as ... kwassa Feb 2015 #65
Well, at least with the pantheon, you'd have "nice" gods and mean gods. Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #85
This! smirkymonkey Feb 2015 #145
that's exactly where they get lost- expecting divine intervention in their personal lives. bettyellen Feb 2015 #88
nope. 2/3 of local congregations (aka "donor families") never show up, but financially support the bettyellen Feb 2015 #84
religion is innate NOT maggies farm Feb 2015 #69
the Golden Rule is innate PADemD Feb 2015 #35
Yes it still is, but wires get crossed in horrible ways sometimes Kalidurga Feb 2015 #36
It's not inmate to sociopaths or narcissists either. deafskeptic Feb 2015 #61
They may have worshipped the SUN. ReRe Feb 2015 #40
Kalidurga Diclotican Feb 2015 #123
Thank you for that. Kalidurga Feb 2015 #130
Kalidurga Diclotican Feb 2015 #132
And plenty of non-primates have been shown to have compassion, empathy erronis Feb 2015 #131
erronis Diclotican Feb 2015 #133
I believe that this empathy has been shown in very "low" life forms erronis Feb 2015 #141
erronis Diclotican Feb 2015 #144
It's a societal rule, not a religious one though religions have adopted it. Kablooie Feb 2015 #32
The Japanese were Buddhist and Shinto kwassa Feb 2015 #125
I think it's the other way around. Hosnon Feb 2015 #77
You are absolutely right about the prison data. cbayer Feb 2015 #99
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr Frank Zappa: hifiguy Feb 2015 #3
What did Moon and Dweezil think of that? rug Feb 2015 #29
Dweezil seems to have enjoyed having Frank for a father... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #67
Kids who don't have their heads stuffed full of bullshit have better bullshit filters? LeftyMom Feb 2015 #6
Succinctly put. truebluegreen Feb 2015 #158
Case in point... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #12
A lot of rehab programs are 12 step or otherwise push god bothering nonsense. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #15
Correct... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #21
It is not about God, it is about a higher power. kwassa Feb 2015 #23
I will show you the flaw in your logic Ramses Feb 2015 #27
the larger concept behind this is ... kwassa Feb 2015 #38
Uhhh an "undefinable larger positive power" than what we know F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #47
"...it would be intensely unpleasant ..." Iggo Feb 2015 #153
Actually, it is that bad. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #155
See my edit/add. Iggo Feb 2015 #156
Awesome, thanks. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #160
12 step programs aren't "spiritual," they're religious. LeftyMom Feb 2015 #46
No, the 12 steps are an excellent model of an individual spiritual path. kwassa Feb 2015 #62
LSD could help alcoholics stop drinking, AA founder believed maggies farm Feb 2015 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2015 #24
yea, it is genetic Ramses Feb 2015 #26
Yes Ramses... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #37
That's my religion too ;-) n/t ReRe Feb 2015 #45
The power of one... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #49
"The power of one"... ReRe Feb 2015 #51
Like minds and all. (nt) malokvale77 Feb 2015 #54
Ha ha. Good point. I'll never forget a relative of mine Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #75
There is a strong social element to addiction kristopher Feb 2015 #81
many of us already figured that out. nt. drray23 Feb 2015 #14
It may. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #16
I teach my kid that the Golden Rule is the key to our survival. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #19
He who has the Gold rules?? NoMoreRepugs Feb 2015 #34
That's the Koch Rule. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #41
no one needs religion to treat each other fairly Skittles Feb 2015 #59
That's for sure. SunSeeker Feb 2015 #60
REC Ramses Feb 2015 #25
Water is wet. AngryDem001 Feb 2015 #28
Replace "religion" with "child abuse" Augustus Feb 2015 #30
To be clear you feel that parents who take their children to sunday school el_bryanto Feb 2015 #111
"Raising children without religion may be a better alternative." mackerel Feb 2015 #31
If you can believe in a magic man in the sky, you can believe any horseshit. And that's valerief Feb 2015 #33
Would you say ALL life on Earth is nothing more than a cosmic anomaly? A coincidence? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #58
I have a different take on life... More and more, I believe Everything is sentient... 1monster Feb 2015 #68
we are close in our world view. And whenever I take quizzes it labels me pantheist but KittyWampus Feb 2015 #97
How would I know? Only a fool answers unanswerable questions. But I do think valerief Feb 2015 #161
Empathy isn't religious. flvegan Feb 2015 #39
To clarify; who are you calling weak-minded? nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #112
That's a funny response! flvegan Feb 2015 #146
You didn't answer the question though. I don't want to make any assumptions. nt el_bryanto Feb 2015 #159
On thing about the statistics I found interesting. While it says that atheists are hughee99 Feb 2015 #48
This is true and another reason why the prison statistics are worthless. cbayer Feb 2015 #101
The North Carolina killer was a committed, vocal atheist. frazzled Feb 2015 #50
Not all Right Wingers are Jesus Freaks.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #53
He wasn't a right-winger either. frazzled Feb 2015 #66
He wasn't an atheist.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #76
He is a progressive atheist LittleBlue Feb 2015 #80
Wrong. I'm further. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #86
He was an extremist atheist frazzled Feb 2015 #120
Your background sounds so much like my own. cbayer Feb 2015 #126
Yes, we are very much in sync frazzled Feb 2015 #148
I think you are absolutely right about cbayer Feb 2015 #149
Ahhh, someone does not like this post. nt Logical Feb 2015 #64
You might want to brush up on.. kristopher Feb 2015 #82
You might want to post this in response to all the anectodal posts frazzled Feb 2015 #119
Not surprised to hear religious types have a hard time with reality.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #52
Yep, that's right. Only religious people become psychotic. cbayer Feb 2015 #103
People can be delusional and not psychotic you know. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #108
You are talking about people that see and hear things that aren't there. cbayer Feb 2015 #110
"Your post appears to be nothing more than a cheap shot at religious people." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #113
No, but I would love one based on facts and not on some false beliefs cbayer Feb 2015 #114
How is my observation a "false belief"? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #117
"Not surprised to hear religious types have a hard time with reality" cbayer Feb 2015 #118
You deserve a heart for posting.... bobGandolf Feb 2015 #55
We've raised our kids in a god-free home and so far they haven't committed any murders Arugula Latte Feb 2015 #57
Raising children not to believe in... 99Forever Feb 2015 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #70
People should raise their kids HappyMe Feb 2015 #72
I am an atheist, but I don't think that the golden rule is the single basic moral principle. Vattel Feb 2015 #78
the golden rule does not require reciprocity, nor would anyone "want" their needs ignored in bettyellen Feb 2015 #87
I guess I misinterpreted what "empathetic reciprocity" means. Vattel Feb 2015 #89
the empathetic part is about others wishes, so it recognizes that not everyone wants the same things bettyellen Feb 2015 #91
Yeah, I get the general idea. But it doesn't provide much guidance Vattel Feb 2015 #128
LOL, I think it does. It encourages empathy and fairness. So when there is a conflict of interests bettyellen Feb 2015 #135
LOL, it encourages acting morally and so the circle is complete. Vattel Feb 2015 #138
I do think encouraging empathy is a good basic guideline. bettyellen Feb 2015 #139
I agree. The golden rule is useful as a rule of thumb. Vattel Feb 2015 #143
Thank you for saying this salib Feb 2015 #100
This just proves that atheists don't understand statistics Fred Friendlier Feb 2015 #79
Most recent polling: Atheists = 13% of US population. nt kristopher Feb 2015 #83
Where in the did you get that piece of data? cbayer Feb 2015 #106
+1 cbayer Feb 2015 #104
Every Nichiren Buddhist I know strives to show the benefit of Buddhist practice - the child chooses DesertDiamond Feb 2015 #90
Don't be ridiculous FiveGoodMen Feb 2015 #92
this is so stupid I can't even believe it. Children SHOULD be able to use their imaginations KittyWampus Feb 2015 #94
Religion isn't presented as an exercise in imagination, it's presented as a fact in Sunday School Fumesucker Feb 2015 #98
Not in my Sunday School classes back when I taught. And the article makes it clear KittyWampus Feb 2015 #102
I talk about religion quite a bit with people I know Fumesucker Feb 2015 #115
Agree. The study itself in no way stated that being less imaginative cbayer Feb 2015 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author 1monster Feb 2015 #121
Except the studies don't conclude that and the author is bending the truth. cbayer Feb 2015 #95
this thread belongs in the religion forum where atheist/theist DU'ers can continue their squabbling KittyWampus Feb 2015 #105
This study was already discussed in religion back when it was first released. cbayer Feb 2015 #109
Feel free to move it over there if you wish. I found an interesting article and passed it on 1monster Feb 2015 #122
Good. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #116
Sure appears like a "study" with a predetermined Gman Feb 2015 #137
We raised ours secular Android3.14 Feb 2015 #140
K&R. nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #142
So far, have read only the OP title fadedrose Feb 2015 #150
Thank you for posting this Faux pas Feb 2015 #151
Or not raising children at all. Trillo Feb 2015 #152
So why are religious schools allowed for the compulsory requirement? Trillo Feb 2015 #154
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