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In the discussion thread: Organic farms yield less produce, require more land: study [View all]

Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #53)

Fri Apr 27, 2012, 09:28 AM

bigwillq (59,603 posts)

57. True but

I could have 2 double cheesburgers, a value fry and a value soda for $4 and change, while the one of the salads McDonalds offers is like $6 or $7

Every penny counts in these tough times.

I do agree, though, eating healthy doesn't have to be expensive. I just wish there could be more healthier options on the dollar menu.
I don't think unhealthy foods should be on the dollar menu. But again, no one's forcing anyone to eat the unhealthy options, and McDonalds does advertise their healthier fare.

I guess, in the end, its up to the consumer to take responsibility for what they eat.

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76 replies	Author	Time	Post
Organic farms yield less produce, require more land: study [View all]	FarCenter	Apr 2012	OP
and I wonder who funded this study	niyad	Apr 2012	#1
The authors declare no competing financial interests	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#6
Who funded it?	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#9
It looks like it was funded by the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#14
Everyone knows the University of Minnesota Institute on the Environment is a subsidiary of Monsanto	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#16
And the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation looks to be a front for the Koch brothers...	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#17
How so? I think you should provide some evidence for such a claim.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#40
I was being sarcastic -- take a look at the link; they support a wide range of environmental causes.	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#45
are you making fun of liberals?	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#71
Anyone who has driven through southern Minnesota has seen all the Monsanto signs and I would	jwirr	Apr 2012	#63
Hold on a sec,	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#68
Of course not and that is not what I said. But having a huge business in the back yard is reason	jwirr	Apr 2012	#72
Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation	KansDem	Apr 2012	#61
yes, and steroids and unhealthy supplements can make you stronger	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#69
Monsanto or one of their ilk	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#7
Why is it "probably" monsanto?	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#12
Yes because the pro-organic sources	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#13
And only billions of dollars can taint a research project	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#15
Wow you twisted that post so much	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#20
You are completely misrepresenting how research works	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#21
According to this study	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#31
There's a huge difference between:	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#33
I agree to a point	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#35
I believe the "front posts" were supposed to be jokes in response to the "It was Monsanto" claims.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#41
You have to take a long term outlook -	hedgehog	Apr 2012	#2
The article did say that the difference declines over time. I wish they had been more specific	libinnyandia	Apr 2012	#3
The article ended with that as a throw-away line when in fact it is a key finding	Gormy Cuss	Apr 2012	#23
It's primarily nitrogen that is the limiting factor	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#26
Nitrogen-fixing crops can be rotated in off seasons or shoulder seasons (depending on climate)	Gormy Cuss	Apr 2012	#30
but applied nitrogen in runoff decreases the yield from our waterways by polluting them	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#73
That is what I was thinking - also the continued fertilization of the soil is supposed to cut the	jwirr	Apr 2012	#64
If even if the conclusions are bullet proof, so what.	musiclawyer	Apr 2012	#4
Good post	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#10
true-- the lower pollution should offset the increased land, even in a worse case scenario	NoMoreWarNow	Apr 2012	#43
Shouldn't be a problem	gratuitous	Apr 2012	#5
Also a good post	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#11
+1000	Blue_Tires	Apr 2012	#42
People can quit eating so much red meat	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#8
This	Vehl	Apr 2012	#18
3 times?	flvegan	Apr 2012	#19
How much does price play a role in this?	bigwillq	Apr 2012	#24
I think that is because	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#34
Even the "Dollar Menu" dinner...	meaculpa2011	Apr 2012	#53
True but	bigwillq	Apr 2012	#57
I don't mean to be...	meaculpa2011	Apr 2012	#58
I eat salads all the time at McDonalds.	bigwillq	Apr 2012	#60
Except that most land is better suited for permanent pasture than annual crops like veggies.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#36
Or any meat.	Mendocino	Apr 2012	#52
What do we want? What can we afford? Space or sustainability.	The Midway Rebel	Apr 2012	#22
But what about the health risk of organic vs. non-organic	LynneSin	Apr 2012	#25
What is the relative health risk? The spinach scare a few years back was organic spinach.	yellowcanine	Apr 2012	#37
Umhumm...	Lost-in-FL	Apr 2012	#27
Where is that located? I'd like to visit it.	MineralMan	Apr 2012	#39
Still in the concept stage but it seems it is possible.	Lost-in-FL	Apr 2012	#49
Oh. Thanks.	MineralMan	Apr 2012	#56
Will Organic Food Fail to Feed the World?	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#28
Frankly, I think local is more important than organic	cali	Apr 2012	#29
I think I agree with you. If we were using our resources on a local level (even in developing	jwirr	Apr 2012	#67
Maybe so, but maybe if we respected our food and didn't waste so much it wouldn't matter. I'll take	Pisces	Apr 2012	#32
Anybody that didn't know that already.	sendero	Apr 2012	#38
yeah, it's kind of obvious, isn't it	NoMoreWarNow	Apr 2012	#44
Exactly..	sendero	Apr 2012	#46
Consider me unsurprised	quaker bill	Apr 2012	#47
But Roundup lets one use less land, and provides that just right smoky flavor. n/t	jtuck004	Apr 2012	#48
This is uncontroversial, but this is geoagriculture. Use hydroponics, and the like...	joshcryer	Apr 2012	#50
"benefits" of industrial agriculture:	humus	Apr 2012	#51
Its obvious that organic farming have lower yields	Lars77	Apr 2012	#54
Its obvious that a healthy meal will take longer to make	humus	Apr 2012	#65
So why is this news? Sounds like the GM food lobby wrote it.	Lars77	Apr 2012	#76
I'd love to see a study that includes the use of Permaculture techniques.	PuraVidaDreamin	Apr 2012	#55
Even organic farms use herbicides	mainer	Apr 2012	#59
I think you are a bit confused.	nobodyspecial	Apr 2012	#62
I wish I could dig up that article...	mainer	Apr 2012	#66
I wish you could as well	nobodyspecial	Apr 2012	#75
NO synthetic herbicides can be used here in VT for organic farming. Zero. in fact, the growing	piratefish08	Apr 2012	#70
Organic farms DO yield less and require more land - the alternative is deadly food.	piratefish08	Apr 2012	#74

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