Reply #86

In the discussion thread: 8 of 10 most violent states in america are - you guessed it - red [View all]

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:56 PM

hack89 (21,510 posts)

86. No - more desperately poor people packed into cities = more crime and more danger.

you seem to think there is a fundamental difference between the north and south concerning violence. I say the fundamental cause is the same - it is just that in the south there are more poor people.

Why can't we recognize that simple fact and act to fix societies problems instead of using lists like the OP to divide and demonize people.

Why do you think the south is more violent? Do you think the root causes are different there then in the north?

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128 replies	Author	Time	Post
8 of 10 most violent states in america are - you guessed it - red [View all]	Tax Man	Apr 2012	OP
Also, as a Florida person	DonCoquixote	Apr 2012	#1
Have you seen that movie CSA?	YellowRubberDuckie	Apr 2012	#60
Yeah, I saw it. Whew.	trof	Apr 2012	#100
Absolutely nothing at the link about how they defined 'violent'.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#2
Google is your freind.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#7
"The U.S. is more peaceful than at any time in the last 20 years."	hack89	Apr 2012	#15
Which begs the question: What's wrong with these gun-loving Red states?	baldguy	Apr 2012	#18
Four of the top 5 states in total number of murders are blue states	hack89	Apr 2012	#19
You know as well as I do that gun deaths per capita is a more accurate measure than absolute numbers	baldguy	Apr 2012	#36
He Knows It, Sir, But If He Admitted It, Would Have To Give Up Much He Enjoys Believing	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#45
18 of the 20 most violent metro areas are blue.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#79
People Are Divided, Sir: Learn To Deal With It	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#81
Those gun death statistics for Arkansas are highly misleading	Art_from_Ark	Apr 2012	#47
Probably From 2008 Statistics, Sir, For Total Deaths From Fire-Arm Injuries	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#49
And yet, even in 2008 there were only 168 murders in the state	Art_from_Ark	Apr 2012	#59
But the Statistic, Sir, was Not 'Murders' But Deaths Owing To Firearm	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#80
But the topic here is violence	Art_from_Ark	Apr 2012	#111
An Accidental Gun-Shot is As Violent In Its Effect As An Intentional One, Sir	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#112
The point is, the OP is misleading	Art_from_Ark	Apr 2012	#115
Now rank the states by education and poverty	hack89	Apr 2012	#55
And where do nearly all of those guns come from?	baldguy	Apr 2012	#57
So you agree that the problem is criminals ignoring gun laws?	hack89	Apr 2012	#61
The problem is so-called "responsible gun owners" ignoring gun laws	baldguy	Apr 2012	#104
So there is no criminal activity associated with illegal guns? Really?	hack89	Apr 2012	#106
So if gun lax gun laws are the number one issue here	hack89	Apr 2012	#63
A more accurate measure of what?	beevul	Apr 2012	#109
Those who believe absurdities will allow atrocities occur.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#113
Speaking of premises...false ones at that.	beevul	Apr 2012	#118
Of course it's a false premise. It's yours. I can understand why you want to run away from it.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#119
I'm not running away from anything.	beevul	Apr 2012	#120
Seems you have an ingrained, unshakable prejudice against "urban" areas.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#121
No, I have an ingrained, unshakable prejudice against anti-gun idealogues.	beevul	Apr 2012	#125
And "gangbangers" like Trayvon Martin get what they deserve.	baldguy	Apr 2012	#126
If only I had said, implied, or indicated anything of the sort...	beevul	Apr 2012	#128
Bruins Fan	The Other News	Apr 2012	#116
Why would you think I am not? nt	hack89	Apr 2012	#117
Try again... (check your Brady "Score Card")...	-..__...	Apr 2012	#32
I'm going to take a guess that it's not so much the guns	Fawke Em	Apr 2012	#37
'the U.S. Peace Index is based on analysis of homicide, violent crime, policing,	Tax Man	Apr 2012	#51
So if I have small arms I am violent?	former9thward	Apr 2012	#78
Wow.	Major Hogwash	Apr 2012	#3
Guns and stupidity aplenty. nt	onehandle	Apr 2012	#4
+1000	baldguy	Apr 2012	#9
Imagine that.	TheCowsCameHome	Apr 2012	#5
Reads like a list of	Meiko	Apr 2012	#6
Using what measurement?	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#22
Correct	Meiko	Apr 2012	#64
Oh Cute	HangOnKids	Apr 2012	#34
Whats that	Meiko	Apr 2012	#62
Not a single Northern state.	stevedeshazer	Apr 2012	#8
Detroit, Philly, Chicago - some of the most violent places in America	hack89	Apr 2012	#20
Well, yes, but in order they are some of the most populous states.	stevedeshazer	Apr 2012	#26
Urban violence is the real issue	hack89	Apr 2012	#29
Okay, I get your point.	stevedeshazer	Apr 2012	#41
But, hey, Alaska is number one	Blue_In_AK	Apr 2012	#10
Sure, I will even gift wrap it	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#13
Utah is number one...	TeeYiYi	Apr 2012	#17
Ackety!	lonestarnot	Apr 2012	#54
Can't hold a candle to South Africa though. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#23
South Carolina has been on that list for some time, as I recall.	CBHagman	Apr 2012	#11
Wow! So much for the bible thumpers and turning the other cheek, nt	DippyDem	Apr 2012	#12
Interesting, "the US is more peaceful now than at any other time over the last twenty years."	tammywammy	Apr 2012	#14
California, Texas, New York, Pennsylvania and Michigan are top 5 in number of murders	hack89	Apr 2012	#16
No one will be addressing that in this thread.	xmas74	Apr 2012	#21
And go beyond red/purple/blue	kentauros	Apr 2012	#30
I know.	xmas74	Apr 2012	#31
Years ago I worked with a surveyor from "M'Zuruh"	kentauros	Apr 2012	#39
I remember reading an article years ago	xmas74	Apr 2012	#58
I think he was from south Missouri,	kentauros	Apr 2012	#72
The religion groups!	xmas74	Apr 2012	#95
I agree with you about developing trust and loyalty.	kentauros	Apr 2012	#97
It is a safe haven-for now.	xmas74	Apr 2012	#98
Community Gardening deserves its own thread.	kentauros	Apr 2012	#108
I don't have time to start a thread.	xmas74	Apr 2012	#110
False	baldguy	Apr 2012	#53
Those are all large population states. How about a per capita number?	Comrade Grumpy	Apr 2012	#25
I know that - just pointing out that blue states have areas of extreme violence	hack89	Apr 2012	#27
hack89, your replies in this thread ~	Tax Man	Apr 2012	#42
A Sound Observation, Sir	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#46
No - the real issue is poverty, crime and education.	hack89	Apr 2012	#56
If that was the case, wouldn't I be agreeing with the OP?	hack89	Apr 2012	#67
.	NoGOPZone	Apr 2012	#74
Is that your point? Or does your point have something to do with guns?	morningfog	Apr 2012	#122
No - the root cause of violence is high levels of poverty and low levels of education	hack89	Apr 2012	#123
Redo the numbers on a per capita basis, please n/t	eridani	Apr 2012	#48
If He Does That, Ma'am, Everyone Will Laugh At Him, Even Give Him The Business	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#50
So you believe that violence is evenly distributed within society?	hack89	Apr 2012	#65
The thinly populated ones have fewer people, therefore absolute numbers for violent acts--	eridani	Apr 2012	#82
So averaging the carnage in Chicago with remote farmland in Illinois tells you something meaningful?	hack89	Apr 2012	#83
So more people = more danger?	eridani	Apr 2012	#85
No - more desperately poor people packed into cities = more crime and more danger.	hack89	Apr 2012	#86
Forget it. Not interested in constantly shifting premises	eridani	Apr 2012	#87
Only One Constant, Ma'am: Faith In The Great God Gun: All Powerful, All Good, Font Of All Blessings	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#89
So poverty, crime, poor education are irrelevant.	hack89	Apr 2012	#94
All That Concerns You, Sir, Is Promoting Gun Ownership And Concealed Carry Regulations And The Like	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#96
Yet I have not once mentioned guns	hack89	Apr 2012	#99
A Goose Wakes Up Each Morning In A Whole New World, Sir, But Not Me, And Not You Either	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#101
So why do you think the South is more violent? nt	hack89	Apr 2012	#102
That, On A Per Capita Basis, It Is, Sir, Is Established Fact	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#105
You and I see eye to eye on this.	hack89	Apr 2012	#107
So how is southern violence fundamentally different from..	hack89	Apr 2012	#93
In per capita murders, those five are about the national average.	progressoid	Apr 2012	#92
Our Republican Legislature made it legal to carry guns in to bars.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#24
.	Go Vols	Apr 2012	#35
Well, we did have one of the law's sponsors get picked up	Fawke Em	Apr 2012	#38
Logic should tell you it's only a matter of time.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#44
Lotsa vatos in So. Cal. would be pissed they didn't measure up... n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Apr 2012	#28
Kansas City and St Louis do have a lot of shootings.	RC	Apr 2012	#33
Ugh, more division.	JNelson6563	Apr 2012	#40
Excellent post	pintobean	Apr 2012	#66
there are some pretty thick racial implications in the list.	provis99	Apr 2012	#43
wow, and most of the states on the bottom are in the South	quinnox	Apr 2012	#52
oh for pity's sake.	cali	Apr 2012	#69
I imagine that should one have the courage of their own convictions	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#71
lol, well, I think the way you repeat yourself	quinnox	Apr 2012	#90
I wish we wouldn't do this.	cali	Apr 2012	#68
Isn't it just another aspect of "divide and conquer"?	kentauros	Apr 2012	#73
Just wondering...	maddezmom	Apr 2012	#70
Just eyeballing the list, I see a pretty strong negative correlation with median household income	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#75
So what happens when you break it down by county?	kctim	Apr 2012	#76
It's because of less social programs	chrisa	Apr 2012	#77
Excluding maybe Nevada...aren't all these states red? n/t	vaberella	Apr 2012	#84
Which raises the question, red because they're violent,	hedgehog	Apr 2012	#88
Violent because they are poor and ill educated? nt	hack89	Apr 2012	#103
well, the right wing does condone and promote violence	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#91
The ability to use "sir" and "madam" and make it sound so condescending is quite irritating.....sir.	crazyjoe	Apr 2012	#114
So if everybody had a gun philosophy	B Calm	Apr 2012	#124
I wonder what happens if you break it down by district?	hughee99	Apr 2012	#127

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