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12. Why is it "probably" monsanto?

Reply to obamanut2012 (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:56 PM

Apr 2012

Because they came to the wrong conclusions?

I suspect if they'd found the opposite you wouldn't be fretting over whether they got their funding from a pro-organic source.

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Organic farms yield less produce, require more land: study [View all] FarCenter Apr 2012 OP

and I wonder who funded this study niyad Apr 2012 #1

The authors declare no competing financial interests FarCenter Apr 2012 #6

Who funded it? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #9

It looks like it was funded by the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation FarCenter Apr 2012 #14

Everyone knows the University of Minnesota Institute on the Environment is a subsidiary of Monsanto 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #16

And the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation looks to be a front for the Koch brothers... FarCenter Apr 2012 #17

How so? I think you should provide some evidence for such a claim. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #40

I was being sarcastic -- take a look at the link; they support a wide range of environmental causes. FarCenter Apr 2012 #45

are you making fun of liberals? CreekDog Apr 2012 #71

Anyone who has driven through southern Minnesota has seen all the Monsanto signs and I would jwirr Apr 2012 #63

Hold on a sec, 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #68

Of course not and that is not what I said. But having a huge business in the back yard is reason jwirr Apr 2012 #72

Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation KansDem Apr 2012 #61

yes, and steroids and unhealthy supplements can make you stronger CreekDog Apr 2012 #69

Monsanto or one of their ilk obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #7

Why is it "probably" monsanto? 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #12

Yes because the pro-organic sources laundry_queen Apr 2012 #13

And only billions of dollars can taint a research project 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #15

Wow you twisted that post so much laundry_queen Apr 2012 #20

You are completely misrepresenting how research works 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #21

According to this study laundry_queen Apr 2012 #31

There's a huge difference between: 4th law of robotics Apr 2012 #33

I agree to a point laundry_queen Apr 2012 #35

I believe the "front posts" were supposed to be jokes in response to the "It was Monsanto" claims. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #41

You have to take a long term outlook - hedgehog Apr 2012 #2

The article did say that the difference declines over time. I wish they had been more specific libinnyandia Apr 2012 #3

The article ended with that as a throw-away line when in fact it is a key finding Gormy Cuss Apr 2012 #23

It's primarily nitrogen that is the limiting factor FarCenter Apr 2012 #26

Nitrogen-fixing crops can be rotated in off seasons or shoulder seasons (depending on climate) Gormy Cuss Apr 2012 #30

but applied nitrogen in runoff decreases the yield from our waterways by polluting them CreekDog Apr 2012 #73

That is what I was thinking - also the continued fertilization of the soil is supposed to cut the jwirr Apr 2012 #64

If even if the conclusions are bullet proof, so what. musiclawyer Apr 2012 #4

Good post obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #10

true-- the lower pollution should offset the increased land, even in a worse case scenario NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #43

Shouldn't be a problem gratuitous Apr 2012 #5

Also a good post obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #11

+1000 Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #42

People can quit eating so much red meat obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #8

This Vehl Apr 2012 #18

3 times? flvegan Apr 2012 #19

How much does price play a role in this? bigwillq Apr 2012 #24

I think that is because laundry_queen Apr 2012 #34

Even the "Dollar Menu" dinner... meaculpa2011 Apr 2012 #53

True but bigwillq Apr 2012 #57

I don't mean to be... meaculpa2011 Apr 2012 #58

I eat salads all the time at McDonalds. bigwillq Apr 2012 #60

Except that most land is better suited for permanent pasture than annual crops like veggies. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #36

Or any meat. Mendocino Apr 2012 #52

What do we want? What can we afford? Space or sustainability. The Midway Rebel Apr 2012 #22

But what about the health risk of organic vs. non-organic LynneSin Apr 2012 #25

What is the relative health risk? The spinach scare a few years back was organic spinach. yellowcanine Apr 2012 #37

Umhumm... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #27

Where is that located? I'd like to visit it. MineralMan Apr 2012 #39

Still in the concept stage but it seems it is possible. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #49

Oh. Thanks. MineralMan Apr 2012 #56

Will Organic Food Fail to Feed the World? FarCenter Apr 2012 #28

Frankly, I think local is more important than organic cali Apr 2012 #29

I think I agree with you. If we were using our resources on a local level (even in developing jwirr Apr 2012 #67

Maybe so, but maybe if we respected our food and didn't waste so much it wouldn't matter. I'll take Pisces Apr 2012 #32

Anybody that didn't know that already. sendero Apr 2012 #38

yeah, it's kind of obvious, isn't it NoMoreWarNow Apr 2012 #44

Exactly.. sendero Apr 2012 #46

Consider me unsurprised quaker bill Apr 2012 #47

But Roundup lets one use less land, and provides that just right smoky flavor. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2012 #48

This is uncontroversial, but this is geoagriculture. Use hydroponics, and the like... joshcryer Apr 2012 #50

"benefits" of industrial agriculture: humus Apr 2012 #51

Its obvious that organic farming have lower yields Lars77 Apr 2012 #54

Its obvious that a healthy meal will take longer to make humus Apr 2012 #65

So why is this news? Sounds like the GM food lobby wrote it. Lars77 Apr 2012 #76

I'd love to see a study that includes the use of Permaculture techniques. PuraVidaDreamin Apr 2012 #55

Even organic farms use herbicides mainer Apr 2012 #59

I think you are a bit confused. nobodyspecial Apr 2012 #62

I wish I could dig up that article... mainer Apr 2012 #66

I wish you could as well nobodyspecial Apr 2012 #75

NO synthetic herbicides can be used here in VT for organic farming. Zero. in fact, the growing piratefish08 Apr 2012 #70

Organic farms DO yield less and require more land - the alternative is deadly food. piratefish08 Apr 2012 #74