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kctim

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62. Doesn't matter

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 05:29 PM

Apr 2012

"The resentment people have is for paying taxes and getting little or nothing in return for them"

Whether it's resentment for getting nothing in return or resentment for what they are used for, the link between higher taxes and the peoples resentment about them is still there.

I mention that taxes cause peoples attitudes towards government to change and you automatically assume I believe taxation is inherently bad? Stereotype much?

I can't prove you specifically pay more in federal income taxes, for all I know you could have been a millionaire and are now a pauper. There is no reason to DARE me as if you are some kind of tough guy, all you have to do is ask.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29861648/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/how-tax-burden-has-changed/

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Anybody know exactly when did it all get so ugly - the hatred for government and public employees? [View all] Peregrine Took Apr 2012 OP

First, Raygun, then talk-radio, and as times get tough, people get envious of sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #1

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Specifically, when organized labor allowed Reagan to bust PATCO coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #43

That was the legacy left by George Meany. He ended up fucking the rank-and-file. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #129

See: Newt Gingrich circa 1993/94 n/t jaysunb Apr 2012 #3

I offered the same answer Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #31

When taxes to pay for such things kctim Apr 2012 #4

taxes have decreased for decades CreekDog Apr 2012 #11

kctim makes up a lot of assertions. arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #18

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LOL. Yep. dkf for sure. "I just don't see any probable Solomon Apr 2012 #24

A room that deals with facts does sound pretty good. kctim Apr 2012 #36

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Then start shooting them down. kctim Apr 2012 #51

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the tax one, again CreekDog Apr 2012 #91

yes, I'm sure you would recommend it to *other* people CreekDog Apr 2012 #99

Perfect! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #37

I thoroughly approve this post. It tells a truth. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #70

Beat me to it. hifiguy Apr 2012 #26

That is because kctim Apr 2012 #33

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I do not pretend to be liberal/progressive at all kctim Apr 2012 #112

Are you against a woman's right to choose? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #123

Then you take it wrong kctim Apr 2012 #130

What stances on marriage? Are you against marriage equality? obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #125

I support marriage kctim Apr 2012 #131

What other interpretations ARE there? arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #41

Well, there are "centrist" ones. Or so we've been told. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #54

So what will you type next to "support Democratic principles?" 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #68

you do support Democratic Party principles CreekDog Apr 2012 #92

Local taxes have not - that's the huge fight we are having in Rhode Island hack89 Apr 2012 #27

what is your local tax rate? CreekDog Apr 2012 #101

We still pay more than people did kctim Apr 2012 #28

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Let's explore WHY that is, kctim. arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #35

How about we "explore" the question the OP asked kctim Apr 2012 #47

Actually, I would dispute that "correlation". arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #48

Doesn't matter kctim Apr 2012 #62

Oh, but it DOES matter. arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #63

Lighten up Francis kctim Apr 2012 #65

Why are you here? You talk just like a bagger DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2012 #55

were you in the 1% then? (note your sigline "1% er") CreekDog Apr 2012 #45

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I never claimed to be the 1% kctim Apr 2012 #50

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Never claimed to be that either kctim Apr 2012 #66

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So "1% er" means that you are part of the 99%? CreekDog Apr 2012 #56

It Is A Claim Of 'Outlaw' Status, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2012 #61

It's a way of life kctim Apr 2012 #67

Not Anymore, Fella: Now It Is Just A Niche Market.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #73

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He Has To Buy That Leather Gear Somewhere, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #76

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Strikes me more as a Donor Cycle sort REP Apr 2012 #102

A Self-Correcting Problem, Ma'am, That Sort Of Thing.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #103

I see I'm in fine company REP Apr 2012 #127

I have stated neither of those things kctim Apr 2012 #111

But We Have All Moved On, Sir, To The Humor Of Your 1% Patch.... The Magistrate Apr 2012 #128

outlaw in life or on DU? CreekDog Apr 2012 #93

Perhaps one of the "Born to be Mild" crowd? GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #133

WE pay more, rich assholes don't pay enough. alarimer Apr 2012 #84

I never said that was not true kctim Apr 2012 #113

People started quitting their jobs so they wouldn't have to pay taxes? arcane1 Apr 2012 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2012 #29

Who knew? SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #39

No, it was when ALEC and other rightwing Organizations saw all those Public Funds sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #42

Exactly. n/t Mister Ed Apr 2012 #104

thank you!!! newspeak Apr 2012 #119

That's not the whole story badtoworse Apr 2012 #60

So I see you have the RW talking points memorized. Release The Hounds Apr 2012 #71

What I posted is either true or it isn't. badtoworse Apr 2012 #89

Standard RW generalizations Release The Hounds Apr 2012 #95

That doesn't conform to the little box some have created kctim Apr 2012 #115

I'm pissed off, but not at gov't Hissyspit Apr 2012 #90

so, it's either we bring everyone up newspeak Apr 2012 #121

Um, I pay my taxes. I don't Hissyspit Apr 2012 #88

So you think taxes have gone up for Americans?? adigal Apr 2012 #118

It started with Raygun and then the movie execs BlueCaliDem Apr 2012 #5

Quibble: The "Alien" series wasn't government Occulus Apr 2012 #120

I have noticed that public employees carrying military grade weapons do not suffer this problem. HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #6

Just another way to gut the last of the middle class jobs. Iris Apr 2012 #7

When Clinton was in office Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #8

No CreekDog Apr 2012 #9

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I wonder when jaysunb was born Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #32

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1943 jaysunb Apr 2012 #85

There you go Capt. Obvious Apr 2012 #106

I can only remember back to the 1940's, It was current then. Downwinder Apr 2012 #10

When St. Ronnie Raygun said this Initech Apr 2012 #12

Set In In '64, Sir, Blossomed Out In '80, Went Toxic around 2000 The Magistrate Apr 2012 #14

I believe your answer encapsulated most if not the entirety of what happened with government. Selatius Apr 2012 #30

It is the divide an conquer menu... angstlessk Apr 2012 #64

This is by far, the best answer to the OP's question Oilwellian Apr 2012 #80

I agree. This is a great explanation. n/t YvonneCa Apr 2012 #83

When Will Liberals Start To Push Back On 'Government Is Bad' Falacy of The rePIGs? mazzarro Apr 2012 #15

About the time Wall Street figured it could vulture capitalize public pension funds leveymg Apr 2012 #16

Except for the glorified military..of course. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #17

And Repuke legislators, judges, and bureaucrats who LibDemAlways Apr 2012 #116

Radio is propaganda designed to create an emotional response just1voice Apr 2012 #19

It would not surprise me if this all began with ALEC Whoa_Nelly Apr 2012 #22

it started in the 1950s with Eisenhower NewJeffCT Apr 2012 #23

Do you have one example of when Ike was involved with hatred for government and public employees? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #59

I never said he did NewJeffCT Apr 2012 #78

After Nixon used "egghead" to refer to Stevenson's baldness, Stevenson may have sought to offset AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #94

"Exactly" isn't really possible Spike89 Apr 2012 #25

Not exactly a date..... Spoonman Apr 2012 #49

When hypocrisy (reagan) became Super Cool....I know government employees who hate themselves.. Tikki Apr 2012 #57

I don't get the "overpaid" part Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #58

It was sometime around 1776 Kaleva Apr 2012 #72

My experience - early 1990's... WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #75

In the US? A few centuries ago. It's always been there; it's gone through periods of NYC Liberal Apr 2012 #79

the Republicans started it when they were upset that minorities were benefitting from the jobs... Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #81

1980, thereabouts... dionysus Apr 2012 #82

Some excellent posts here, but it's not just public employees either. Populist_Prole Apr 2012 #86

I've noticed that the hatred gets worse when the economy Liquorice Apr 2012 #87

Reagan GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #96

Post-Watergate when trust in government sharply declined... Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #97

ETA: I wouldn't discount the 60s prominence of government Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2012 #98

When was there a time when people thought well of government and politicians? FarCenter Apr 2012 #100

Yes, but there were limits quaker bill Apr 2012 #107

the media decides which affairs will be exposed and which won't newspeak Apr 2012 #122

A 30 year disinformation. sendero Apr 2012 #105

when the greed meisters took over the airwaves. barbtries Apr 2012 #108

It started with Reagan quaker bill Apr 2012 #109

Reagan, Thatcher and Rupert Murdoch malaise Apr 2012 #110

1965 - 1966, The Great Society. That's what they hate so much, they are Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #114

Classic blame the victims libodem Apr 2012 #117

Reagan (head of government) "The government is not your friend!" librechik Apr 2012 #124

Ronnie Reagan saying "Government isn't the solution, it's the problem" Taverner Apr 2012 #126

I would say right about the time Shankapotomus Apr 2012 #132