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Tue Apr 24, 2012, 04:28 PM

arbusto_baboso (7,146 posts)

35. Let's explore WHY that is, kctim.

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Could it be because the federal government, under REPUBLICAN Presidents, has mandated more and more programs, but shoved the costs off on the states?

I'm pretty sure that's why.

Also, I would say that if your tax burden is greater, it is NOT on the federal end of things.

Now, if you don't have anything more than red herrings to contribute, you might want to stop embarassing yourself...

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133 replies	Author	Time	Post
Anybody know exactly when did it all get so ugly - the hatred for government and public employees? [View all]	Peregrine Took	Apr 2012	OP
First, Raygun, then talk-radio, and as times get tough, people get envious of	sinkingfeeling	Apr 2012	#1
1980 when Ronald Reagan came along	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#2
Specifically, when organized labor allowed Reagan to bust PATCO	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#43
That was the legacy left by George Meany. He ended up fucking the rank-and-file.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#129
See: Newt Gingrich circa 1993/94 n/t	jaysunb	Apr 2012	#3
I offered the same answer	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2012	#31
When taxes to pay for such things	kctim	Apr 2012	#4
taxes have decreased for decades	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#11
kctim makes up a lot of assertions.	arbusto_baboso	Apr 2012	#18
Yeah really. He and dkf should get a room.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#21
LOL. Yep. dkf for sure. "I just don't see any probable	Solomon	Apr 2012	#24
A room that deals with facts does sound pretty good.	kctim	Apr 2012	#36
You've been FACT FREE your entire time at DU	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#40
Then start shooting them down.	kctim	Apr 2012	#51
They're being picked off as I type.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#53
the tax one, again	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#91
yes, I'm sure you would recommend it to other people	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#99
Perfect!	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#37
I thoroughly approve this post. It tells a truth.	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2012	#70
Beat me to it.	hifiguy	Apr 2012	#26
That is because	kctim	Apr 2012	#33
You mean Dixiecrat principles.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#38
I do not pretend to be liberal/progressive at all	kctim	Apr 2012	#112
Are you against a woman's right to choose?	UnrepentantLiberal	Apr 2012	#123
Then you take it wrong	kctim	Apr 2012	#130
What stances on marriage? Are you against marriage equality?	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#125
I support marriage	kctim	Apr 2012	#131
What other interpretations ARE there?	arbusto_baboso	Apr 2012	#41
Well, there are "centrist" ones. Or so we've been told.	AnotherMcIntosh	Apr 2012	#54
So what will you type next to "support Democratic principles?"	2ndAmForComputers	Apr 2012	#68
you do support Democratic Party principles	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#92
Local taxes have not - that's the huge fight we are having in Rhode Island	hack89	Apr 2012	#27
what is your local tax rate?	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#101
We still pay more than people did	kctim	Apr 2012	#28
Freedom isn't free.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#34
Let's explore WHY that is, kctim.	arbusto_baboso	Apr 2012	#35
How about we "explore" the question the OP asked	kctim	Apr 2012	#47
Actually, I would dispute that "correlation".	arbusto_baboso	Apr 2012	#48
Doesn't matter	kctim	Apr 2012	#62
Oh, but it DOES matter.	arbusto_baboso	Apr 2012	#63
Lighten up Francis	kctim	Apr 2012	#65
Why are you here? You talk just like a bagger	DisgustipatedinCA	Apr 2012	#55
were you in the 1% then? (note your sigline "1% er")	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#45
He's just outing himself	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#46
I never claimed to be the 1%	kctim	Apr 2012	#50
So you're a big bad ass biker? Who pays for the roads that you terrorize?	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#52
Never claimed to be that either	kctim	Apr 2012	#66
Not if you live up to those stereotypes big tough rugged individual that you are.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#69
So "1% er" means that you are part of the 99%?	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#56
It Is A Claim Of 'Outlaw' Status, Sir	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#61
It's a way of life	kctim	Apr 2012	#67
Not Anymore, Fella: Now It Is Just A Niche Market....	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#73
He's a big bad ass rebel that doesn't have to play by societies rules.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#74
He Has To Buy That Leather Gear Somewhere, Ma'am....	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#76
I'm amused that so many weekend Harley enthusiasts consider themself as 1%ers.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#77
Strikes me more as a Donor Cycle sort	REP	Apr 2012	#102
A Self-Correcting Problem, Ma'am, That Sort Of Thing....	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#103
I see I'm in fine company	REP	Apr 2012	#127
I have stated neither of those things	kctim	Apr 2012	#111
But We Have All Moved On, Sir, To The Humor Of Your 1% Patch....	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#128
outlaw in life or on DU?	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#93
Perhaps one of the "Born to be Mild" crowd?	GoneOffShore	Apr 2012	#133
WE pay more, rich assholes don't pay enough.	alarimer	Apr 2012	#84
I never said that was not true	kctim	Apr 2012	#113
People started quitting their jobs so they wouldn't have to pay taxes?	arcane1	Apr 2012	#20
Nice sig kc - 1% er. Who knew?	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#29
Who knew?	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#39
No, it was when ALEC and other rightwing Organizations saw all those Public Funds	sabrina 1	Apr 2012	#42
Exactly. n/t	Mister Ed	Apr 2012	#104
thank you!!!	newspeak	Apr 2012	#119
That's not the whole story	badtoworse	Apr 2012	#60
So I see you have the RW talking points memorized.	Release The Hounds	Apr 2012	#71
What I posted is either true or it isn't.	badtoworse	Apr 2012	#89
Standard RW generalizations	Release The Hounds	Apr 2012	#95
That doesn't conform to the little box some have created	kctim	Apr 2012	#115
I'm pissed off, but not at gov't	Hissyspit	Apr 2012	#90
so, it's either we bring everyone up	newspeak	Apr 2012	#121
Um, I pay my taxes. I don't	Hissyspit	Apr 2012	#88
So you think taxes have gone up for Americans??	adigal	Apr 2012	#118
It started with Raygun and then the movie execs	BlueCaliDem	Apr 2012	#5
Quibble: The "Alien" series wasn't government	Occulus	Apr 2012	#120
I have noticed that public employees carrying military grade weapons do not suffer this problem.	HereSince1628	Apr 2012	#6
Just another way to gut the last of the middle class jobs.	Iris	Apr 2012	#7
When Clinton was in office	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2012	#8
No	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#9
When were you born? 1996?	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#13
I wonder when jaysunb was born	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2012	#32
I'm sorry, I meant 1986.	devilgrrl	Apr 2012	#44
1943	jaysunb	Apr 2012	#85
There you go	Capt. Obvious	Apr 2012	#106
I can only remember back to the 1940's, It was current then.	Downwinder	Apr 2012	#10
When St. Ronnie Raygun said this	Initech	Apr 2012	#12
Set In In '64, Sir, Blossomed Out In '80, Went Toxic around 2000	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#14
I believe your answer encapsulated most if not the entirety of what happened with government.	Selatius	Apr 2012	#30
It is the divide an conquer menu...	angstlessk	Apr 2012	#64
This is by far, the best answer to the OP's question	Oilwellian	Apr 2012	#80
I agree. This is a great explanation. n/t	YvonneCa	Apr 2012	#83
When Will Liberals Start To Push Back On 'Government Is Bad' Falacy of The rePIGs?	mazzarro	Apr 2012	#15
About the time Wall Street figured it could vulture capitalize public pension funds	leveymg	Apr 2012	#16
Except for the glorified military..of course.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Apr 2012	#17
And Repuke legislators, judges, and bureaucrats who	LibDemAlways	Apr 2012	#116
Radio is propaganda designed to create an emotional response	just1voice	Apr 2012	#19
It would not surprise me if this all began with ALEC	Whoa_Nelly	Apr 2012	#22
it started in the 1950s with Eisenhower	NewJeffCT	Apr 2012	#23
Do you have one example of when Ike was involved with hatred for government and public employees?	AnotherMcIntosh	Apr 2012	#59
I never said he did	NewJeffCT	Apr 2012	#78
After Nixon used "egghead" to refer to Stevenson's baldness, Stevenson may have sought to offset	AnotherMcIntosh	Apr 2012	#94
"Exactly" isn't really possible	Spike89	Apr 2012	#25
Not exactly a date.....	Spoonman	Apr 2012	#49
When hypocrisy (reagan) became Super Cool....I know government employees who hate themselves..	Tikki	Apr 2012	#57
I don't get the "overpaid" part	Proud Liberal Dem	Apr 2012	#58
It was sometime around 1776	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#72
My experience - early 1990's...	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#75
In the US? A few centuries ago. It's always been there; it's gone through periods of	NYC Liberal	Apr 2012	#79
the Republicans started it when they were upset that minorities were benefitting from the jobs...	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2012	#81
1980, thereabouts...	dionysus	Apr 2012	#82
Some excellent posts here, but it's not just public employees either.	Populist_Prole	Apr 2012	#86
I've noticed that the hatred gets worse when the economy	Liquorice	Apr 2012	#87
Reagan	GeorgeGist	Apr 2012	#96
Post-Watergate when trust in government sharply declined...	Liberal_Stalwart71	Apr 2012	#97
ETA: I wouldn't discount the 60s prominence of government	Liberal_Stalwart71	Apr 2012	#98
When was there a time when people thought well of government and politicians?	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#100
Yes, but there were limits	quaker bill	Apr 2012	#107
the media decides which affairs will be exposed and which won't	newspeak	Apr 2012	#122
A 30 year disinformation.	sendero	Apr 2012	#105
when the greed meisters took over the airwaves.	barbtries	Apr 2012	#108
It started with Reagan	quaker bill	Apr 2012	#109
Reagan, Thatcher and Rupert Murdoch	malaise	Apr 2012	#110
1965 - 1966, The Great Society. That's what they hate so much, they are	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#114
Classic blame the victims	libodem	Apr 2012	#117
Reagan (head of government) "The government is not your friend!"	librechik	Apr 2012	#124
Ronnie Reagan saying "Government isn't the solution, it's the problem"	Taverner	Apr 2012	#126
I would say right about the time	Shankapotomus	Apr 2012	#132

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