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In the discussion thread: Do you believe the civil disobedience methods of Gandhi and MLK would have worked against Hitler? [View all]

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Mon Apr 23, 2012, 08:40 AM

closeupready (19,464 posts)

52. If you don't tone down your disrespect, I'm going to put you on ignore.

And then that will be the end of this discussion between you and me.

I'll come back to this thread in a few, thanks.

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107 replies	Author	Time	Post
Do you believe the civil disobedience methods of Gandhi and MLK would have worked against Hitler? [View all]	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	OP
No, only physical power.	elleng	Apr 2012	#1
Agreed	Rittermeister	Apr 2012	#2
No, Sir, They Would Not	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#3
No.	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#4
our own regime slaughters innocents & few people make peep one.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#81
Comparing our "regime" to the ones listed is	cliffordu	Apr 2012	#85
i didn't make any comparison. i said our own regime slaughters innocents & has all through its	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#87
Exactly. We have never really cared too much about the powerful	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#89
unless, of course, the weak are puppies and the 'powerful' are their owners. then there will be	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#91
Oh, of course, as always puppies, kittehs, and pretty blond girls are excluded...	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#96
no because the overwhemling majority of german christians loved hitler. he was NOT like the brits in	msongs	Apr 2012	#5
Are you talking about Germans themselves or the international community?	RZM	Apr 2012	#6
No.	steve2470	Apr 2012	#7
In some respect that might have worked	Joe Shlabotnik	Apr 2012	#33
I think Ghandi and MLK would win	chollybocker	Apr 2012	#8
LOL n/t	RZM	Apr 2012	#19
Those in his inner circle were sadistic and ruthless.	lpbk2713	Apr 2012	#9
This was a different situation.	Cleita	Apr 2012	#10
No. The more brutal the regime, the more brutal are the methods required to overthrow it	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#11
Interesting assessment	RZM	Apr 2012	#20
Yes, but many many people would have died.	roody	Apr 2012	#12
Depends on how many people participated, but under certain circumstances it could work	Bjorn Against	Apr 2012	#13
no	JI7	Apr 2012	#14
No way, the SS would have ended them before they got started.	MrSlayer	Apr 2012	#15
Hitler or the people who gave him power?	lunasun	Apr 2012	#16
No, the protesters would have all been shot instantly.	limpyhobbler	Apr 2012	#17
no.	marasinghe	Apr 2012	#18
A few tried - White Rose Society - they were executed.	leveymg	Apr 2012	#21
There was a short story written	Yupster	Apr 2012	#22
I read that short story.	lunatica	Apr 2012	#42
"The Last Article", by Harry Turtledove.	Johnny Rico	Apr 2012	#69
I think the best approach	Permanut	Apr 2012	#23
Well, we know for sure civil obedience did not work. nt	EFerrari	Apr 2012	#24
Thank you.	mahina	Apr 2012	#30
No, they would not have worked	Kennah	Apr 2012	#25
Given that Gandhi said the Jews should have committed mass suicide....	Behind the Aegis	Apr 2012	#26
Yes, I read somewhere that Ghandi said that no more would have died if we had never gone to war.	jwirr	Apr 2012	#64
I believe Bashar Al Assad is a great example of being shot for demonstrating peacefully.	Selatius	Apr 2012	#27
Who do you propose would be committing CD against Hitler? The German	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#28
They did work against Hitler, in one case.	mahina	Apr 2012	#29
Not exactly accurate. The free school teachers and students, and others,	jtuck004	Apr 2012	#82
I guess it depends on your definition of nonviolent resistance.	mahina	Apr 2012	#95
I think sometimes people become enamored of a tactic and forget the goal, which can lead to	jtuck004	Apr 2012	#103
word	mahina	Apr 2012	#105
Albert Einstein Institution, Gene Sharp, 198 Methods of Nonviolent Resistance	mahina	Apr 2012	#31
It's really worth watching. DVD's are in many libraries, though not available on Netflix.	mahina	Apr 2012	#32
Why are you asking a stupid question you already know the answer to?	UnrepentantLiberal	Apr 2012	#34
Three words: The White Rose	cali	Apr 2012	#35
On a side note: I think MLK and Ghandi succeeded because of a credible threat of violence.	redgreenandblue	Apr 2012	#36
A leader must fear what the world thinks or that his rep will be distroyed before it can work.	jwirr	Apr 2012	#67
Is this a thinly veiled attempt to drum up support for another "peacekeeping invasion"?	redgreenandblue	Apr 2012	#37
While true in one sense, the problem with your argument is that Hitler wasnt even Hitler at first.	stevenleser	Apr 2012	#71
The closest thing to Hitler's Poland invasion during the last decades was the invasion of Iraq.	redgreenandblue	Apr 2012	#99
Since you didn't address any of my points, I won't address yours. nt	stevenleser	Apr 2012	#102
Do you believe that intelligent negotiations at Versailles at the end of WWI ...	Jim__	Apr 2012	#38
I am with you on this one. The negotiations left Germany with nothing to fall back on. They were	jwirr	Apr 2012	#68
No	Cirque du So-What	Apr 2012	#39
It is a question of timing	quaker bill	Apr 2012	#40
Their method of dealing with dissent was to kill everyone, not just one or two	lunatica	Apr 2012	#41
Nope. Have to be a semi decent society for those tactics to work.	CBGLuthier	Apr 2012	#43
Yes, I do. If nobody had cooperated with Hitler	closeupready	Apr 2012	#44
except many people in Germany and outside of it, DID cooperate with Hitler	cali	Apr 2012	#45
Many Germans who cooperated did not know	closeupready	Apr 2012	#47
uh, so what? they all knew he was a war mongerer. they all fucking knew about the	cali	Apr 2012	#49
If you don't tone down your disrespect, I'm going to put you on ignore.	closeupready	Apr 2012	#52
LOL	snooper2	Apr 2012	#63
Have you read Daniel Goldhagen's "Hitler's Willing Executioners"? If not,	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#93
And actually, I've been to Auschwitz, and one of the	closeupready	Apr 2012	#46
oh please. most European Jews, by the time the death camps were in full operation	cali	Apr 2012	#50
Then you should write the Auschwitz museum's caretakers,	closeupready	Apr 2012	#51
with all due respect, what one might be told by a guide at Auschwitz	cali	Apr 2012	#54
I'll concede that there are likely different views.	closeupready	Apr 2012	#60
Cooperation might make things easier, but lack of cooperation wouldn't necessarily stop the crime	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#78
True, but think about the numbers involved in the Holocaust.	closeupready	Apr 2012	#79
Negative to google degree.	YellowRubberDuckie	Apr 2012	#48
Or guillotined or hung with piano wire.	cali	Apr 2012	#56
Ghandi might agree:	GeorgeGist	Apr 2012	#53
Maybe, the world didn't know during the Olympic games that Germany was toxic. Peaceful ...	uponit7771	Apr 2012	#55
the Nuremberg laws were passed in 1935.	cali	Apr 2012	#57
Hitler Was Regarded As The Champion Of Anti-Communism, Sir	The Magistrate	Apr 2012	#58
Who are you suggesting would have committed civil disobedience?	Recursion	Apr 2012	#59
Obviously, we'll never know, but	boxman15	Apr 2012	#61
It depends on timing.	sudopod	Apr 2012	#62
excellent observation.	cali	Apr 2012	#66
I wonder if you are right about the 20s.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#73
I'm afraid you're right n/t	Yo_Mama	Apr 2012	#65
Civil disobedience requires a free press and something like an adherence to the law	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#70
Like many others, I think it depends on a regimes fear of world opinion and their appetite for death	stevenleser	Apr 2012	#72
The point of civil disobedience is not that you use it instead of an army	EFerrari	Apr 2012	#74
Your last sentence is exactly right.	closeupready	Apr 2012	#75
What civil disobedience and when?	struggle4progress	Apr 2012	#76
If I can flip that over, Would 'Dancing with the Stars' have worked against Ghandi?	KurtNYC	Apr 2012	#77
nope. hitler & gandhi's methods only work when there's a gov't that feels it needs to respond	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#80
Nonviolent resistance only works when	Freddie Stubbs	Apr 2012	#83
I don't know, it seemed to work well enough in the final days of the old Soviet Union.	LAGC	Apr 2012	#106
perhaps early yes	dembotoz	Apr 2012	#84
No, only military disobedience.	tabasco	Apr 2012	#86
this comes to mind....	spanone	Apr 2012	#88
It didn't.	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#90
Nope	datasuspect	Apr 2012	#92
There's an alternate history story that follows this	Old Troop	Apr 2012	#94
"The Last Article", by Harry Turtledove.	Johnny Rico	Apr 2012	#104
no	arely staircase	Apr 2012	#97
Non-violence/civil disobedience	undergroundpanther	Apr 2012	#98
What he said.	lonestarnot	Apr 2012	#100
Nope	bermudat	Apr 2012	#101
Hard to tell. Most of the population were "good Germans" when the opportunity first appeared.	mmonk	Apr 2012	#107

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