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Spider Jerusalem

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46. Again:

Sun Apr 22, 2012, 11:42 PM

Apr 2012

http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/2011-annual-trade-deficit-37-us-gdp-china-goods-2-us-gdp

For 2011, exports of $2,103.1 billion and imports of $2,661.1 billion resulted in a goods and services deficit of $558.0 billion

558-326=?

The total trade deficit is measured in goods + services. You're citing data that don't present the whole picture.

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Welcome to the global market. American workers NEED NOT APPLY. Thank you, free traders. [View all] Zalatix Apr 2012 OP

Our anger needs to be directed at the laws that enable these companies to gateley Apr 2012 #1

Yeah but if we direct our anger at these laws, we're called racists, John Birchers and Xenophobes. Zalatix Apr 2012 #2

By whom? gateley Apr 2012 #4

This isn't the only example. Zalatix Apr 2012 #7

Well, fuck 'em. It's just the better thing to do, economically and morally, gateley Apr 2012 #9

Alternatively, if capital faces few or no barriers to movement across international coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #8

We Can Eliminate The Minimum Wage TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #11

Tax them when they go overseas. Take away any tax breaks they have right now. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #43

Sounds simple and it COULD be that simple, but just try getting that gateley Apr 2012 #81

Apple is an international company. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #3

Good point. And that raises a question (in my mind, anyway) -- gateley Apr 2012 #5

BMW has two plants in China. Honda has four. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #20

They sell their stuff here. They should build it here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #6

So should/could we sell what we manufacture in other countries to those countries, gateley Apr 2012 #10

And Apple sell their stuff outside the US too muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #12

Actually there are another 700,000 workers that work for Apple through contractors Zalatix Apr 2012 #14

You know why the US trade deficit is as large as it is? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #24

I know if it wasn't funny enough Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #26

The right-wing US Chamber of Commerce loves people like you. Zalatix Apr 2012 #35

LOL calm down love Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #41

Smile! Because the US Chamber of Commerce still loves you! Zalatix Apr 2012 #45

BZZZZZZZZZZZT. Oil accounts for only HALF of the trade deficit. Zalatix Apr 2012 #31

I said that, clearly you can't read Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #33

Clearly you are the one who cannot read. Oil is NOT over HALF our deficit. It is LESS than half. Zalatix Apr 2012 #34

No, you're the one who evidently can't read. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #39

LOL you don't read articles, do you? Learn to read before you start attacking me. Zalatix Apr 2012 #42

Again: Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #46

Again: Zalatix Apr 2012 #48

I'm not "selling" anything Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #56

Correction: you're doing a poor job of selling. Zalatix Apr 2012 #57

Look around me? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #58

So what if they're headquarted in Cupertino? They hire 750,000 people outside the US Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

They sell more outside the US than in it Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #61

Then we need tariffs to force them to hire American workers to produce goods they sell here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #62

Why does America get to be a special case? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #67

Tariffs mean that they'll be forced to hire Americans to produce the iPads they sell HERE. Zalatix Apr 2012 #68

Well no, actually Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #69

More US Chamber of Commerce propaganda, eh? Zalatix Apr 2012 #70

How will a tariff close off access to this market? Recursion Apr 2012 #78

High-enough tariffs would make it more profitable for Apple to produce the goods here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #88

For the record, they do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #59

Thumbs up! We need more of that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #63

Think of WHERE they are placed though nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #64

There is that, too. Zalatix Apr 2012 #65

You want to close borders nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #66

Tariffs can work. So can inflating away the national debt. Zalatix Apr 2012 #71

Tariffs don't work. Just ask FDR. But I do like your idea of global unions and workers' party. n/t pampango Apr 2012 #80

Intelligent tariffs work nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #85

Yes indeed, BLIND use of tariffs DO NOT WORK. Free Traders think we just want a blanket tariff war. Zalatix Apr 2012 #87

In macro economics tariffs have a limited use nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #83

Banned From Kos Is Full Of It TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #15

BMW employs people in the cheap labor, right to work South as a way to bust its Unions Romulox Apr 2012 #16

Right on. Brickbat Apr 2012 #19

Woah. Did not think of it that way. Zalatix Apr 2012 #36

good news Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #13

LOL. What a refreshing P.O.V. you introduce to DU! Romulox Apr 2012 #17

Sure it's good news Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #25

Remember last week when you were pretending not to be a cheap labor corporatist? Romulox Apr 2012 #27

Europe has "cheap labour"? Since when? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #29

You mean you're the only person here who doesn't know this? Zalatix Apr 2012 #37

If Irish labour is cheap it's because they have close to 15% unemployment Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #40

You're wrong again about corporate taxes. Zalatix Apr 2012 #44

The top-line corporate tax rate in the US is 35%. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #47

Seriously, you cannot read. The effective tax rate is far lower than 35%. Zalatix Apr 2012 #49

Sure, I can read them Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #51

The effective tax rate is an irrelevancy?!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!! Seriously?! Zalatix Apr 2012 #54

LOL. What a silly set of posts. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #75

Americans being excluded from the global labor market is good news? Zalatix Apr 2012 #21

boo hoo Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #22

Really? With a trade deficit of $40 billion per month it's quite obvious that Zalatix Apr 2012 #30

He's not for real. It's too over-the-top. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #23

Make it so these products cannot be sold in the US without a tariff. mmonk Apr 2012 #18

Farmers are too politically important for that Recursion Apr 2012 #73

Don't most multinationals emply people in many different countries? Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #28

They rarely hire in America, though. Look at our trade deficit. That says it all. Zalatix Apr 2012 #32

They hired 19,500 in the past 3 years or so muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #82

Yes, that's why they're a multinational company. tammywammy Apr 2012 #38

Multinational companies tend to lay off American workers and hire abroad. Zalatix Apr 2012 #50

Where in my post did I even use the word "discrimination"? tammywammy Apr 2012 #52

My point is that free traders would never even USE the word 'discrimination' Zalatix Apr 2012 #55

"Well, that's the global market" TheFarseer Apr 2012 #53

Plenty of laws are slanted in our favor. Agriculture and intellectual property, for instance Recursion Apr 2012 #74

OK, what law change would you seek to keep this from happening? Recursion Apr 2012 #72

LOL. Now we can't control trade. It just IS! nt Romulox Apr 2012 #76

Independent monetary policy, a stable currency, control of capital flow. Pick any 2. Recursion Apr 2012 #77

We have a *fiat* currency (most recently having printed TRILLIONS to give to the banks.) Romulox Apr 2012 #79

Small Business Exports WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #84

I had a small business for 30 years before retiring. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2012 #86

It is impossible to increase our exports. We can force jobs back here, though. Zalatix Apr 2012 #89