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benEzra

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82. Ummm, rifles are the least misused of all weapons...

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 01:00 PM

Dec 2014

"The carnage proves it."

You are aware that rifles are the least misused of all weapons in this country, yes?

Murder, by State and Type of Weapon, 2013 (FBI)

[font face="courier new"]Total murders...................... 12,253
Handguns............................ 5,782 (47.2%)
Firearms (type unknown)............. 2,079 (17.0%)
Clubs, rope, fire, etc.............. 1,622 (13.2%)
Knives and other cutting weapons.... 1,490 (12.2%)
Hands, fists, feet.................... 687 (5.6%)
Shotguns.............................. 308 (2.5%)
Rifles................................ 285 (2.3%)[/font]

The trend in rifle homicide is down, even though the AR-15 platform has been the most popular civilian rifle in the United States for many years.

Rifle homicides, 2005-2013 (from FBI Uniform Crime Reports 2005-2013, Table 20, collated):

2005: 442
2006: 436
2007: 450
2008: 375
2009: 348
2010: 358
2011: 323
2012: 302
2013: 285

Anyone who is fighting to outlaw the most popular rifles isn't going after "gun violence", they are going after lawful ownership.

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Sandy Hook Parents Sue Bushmaster: You Sold ‘Weapon of Choice’ for Mass Murderers [View all] kpete Dec 2014 OP

Having spent 15 months in a war setting madokie Dec 2014 #1

Which part? shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #7

Buzz off madokie Dec 2014 #21

I don't think I will shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #27

It didn't take much to bring out the upaloopa Dec 2014 #34

And you want to "lower gun ownership" oneshooter Dec 2014 #41

Having spent 1 year online... 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #67

The DC sniper also used a Bushmaster. kwassa Dec 2014 #2

Except when it's not... brendan120678 Dec 2014 #4

Handguns are around 80% if I remember correctly madville Dec 2014 #10

If my memory serves me correctly, Doc_Technical Dec 2014 #59

9mm handguns madville Dec 2014 #60

MAC-10 and TEC-9 Straw Man Dec 2014 #62

Because they *are* handguns. benEzra Dec 2014 #81

I predict this effort will fail and the families left more disappointed than before. NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #3

Now if the gun had malfunctioned and started firing itself... shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #6

The ATF certainly might. N/T beevul Dec 2014 #43

Umm... Ask Remington about the Walker trigger. bobclark86 Dec 2014 #50

Yup and they settled quite a few lawsuits shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #53

Yes, this get thrown out quickly. n/t tammywammy Dec 2014 #15

Correct. nt greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #65

This kind of thing has been tried before shedevil69taz Dec 2014 #5

CONSIDER YOUR MAN CARD REISSUED exboyfil Dec 2014 #8

That's a ridiculous lawsuit. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2014 #37

The law changed 4 months later to ban sales of that rifle in the state of Conn. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #63

good thing the cheap gun /w the 1.50 a shot high profit-rounds jammed or he would have murdered more Sunlei Dec 2014 #11

Gun Apologists To Action! nt onehandle Dec 2014 #12

This isn't about gun apologists, or even gun control advocacy ArsSkeptica Dec 2014 #13

what I don't like, kpete Dec 2014 #16

Nobody here likes dead children. GGJohn Dec 2014 #17

then stop defending the ar "child killer" 15 - assualt rifle belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #18

Who here has defended Lanza? GGJohn Dec 2014 #19

I don't own any guns tammywammy Dec 2014 #20

Alcohol kills 4300 children annually. That's 4 and a half Sandy Hooks a week and that doesn't Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #29

They make it pretty clear they don't give a shit about dead children n/t kcr Dec 2014 #32

Who makes it pretty clear they don't give a shit about dead children? GGJohn Dec 2014 #35

Thats a very interesting statement. beevul Dec 2014 #46

Just for clarification... ArsSkeptica Dec 2014 #58

So, you are a judge? 99Forever Dec 2014 #51

*golf clap* ArsSkeptica Dec 2014 #71

You mean you aren't actually a judge? 99Forever Dec 2014 #76

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #83

The case will never succeed Lurks Often Dec 2014 #14

Too bad they couldn't sure the government for failing to pass decent laws NightWatcher Dec 2014 #22

Now THAT is a case with some merit lancer78 Dec 2014 #24

Because even if it did prevail in state court, GGJohn Dec 2014 #26

1. The state never passed a law allowing the sale. That which is not forbidden is permitted. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #30

Can't sue the state of CT without the state's permission Lurks Often Dec 2014 #39

The PLCAA has already passed constitutional muster. GGJohn Dec 2014 #25

so has citizens United. The scotus is now the most corrupt in history Doctor_J Dec 2014 #42

Do you have an alternate analysys of the law in question? n/t beevul Dec 2014 #47

No, my argument is fact, GGJohn Dec 2014 #49

That law is a damn joke mythology Dec 2014 #66

You don't make any sense at all. GGJohn Dec 2014 #68

+1 liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #57

It will fail, guns are legal to make and sell. nt Logical Dec 2014 #23

Win or lose the case, this will certainly keep the national conversation going LanternWaste Dec 2014 #28

yes, and the conversation will lead to more Bushmasters purchased. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #31

No doubt, the NRA and the firearm industries are adept at re-branding conversations LanternWaste Dec 2014 #36

Sadly, all this will accomplish is longer lines at the gun store. Glassunion Dec 2014 #33

Why would attorneys take a case that has no legal merit and they know will lose? helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #38

Because the law firm doesn't seem to understand civilian firearms or the PLCAA? benEzra Dec 2014 #44

I just noticed you are back aikoaiko Dec 2014 #45

Thanks! Was very busy with life for a while, but things have settled down. (n/t) benEzra Dec 2014 #80

There is much to gain, even if they lose in court. branford Dec 2014 #48

It's called extortion Man from Pickens Dec 2014 #55

The only standing they'd have is if the gun killed through failure to work as designed jmowreader Dec 2014 #40

FYI, here is a recent analysis of the lawsuit from Eugene Volokh at the WP. branford Dec 2014 #52

Volokh for the win. nt COLGATE4 Dec 2014 #54

Great article and spot on. GGJohn Dec 2014 #61

Good for them. liberal_at_heart Dec 2014 #56

It's like the long hard battle against tobacco companies marions ghost Dec 2014 #64

Nothing will be done about it, even Pres. Obama's DoJ defended the PLCAA, GGJohn Dec 2014 #69

Eventually marions ghost Dec 2014 #70

You're probably right, GGJohn Dec 2014 #74

It will take awhile marions ghost Dec 2014 #75

Except its not wrong to sell firearms like the AR15. aikoaiko Dec 2014 #72

Of course it is wrong-- marions ghost Dec 2014 #77

Its hardly the case that they are freely available to nutjobs and 9-year olds aikoaiko Dec 2014 #78

"Freely available" is a fair enough expression of the current reality marions ghost Dec 2014 #79

Ummm, rifles are the least misused of all weapons... benEzra Dec 2014 #82

Also the firearm of choice for Mass Plinkers. ileus Dec 2014 #73