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muriel_volestrangler

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12. And Apple sell their stuff outside the US too

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 06:40 PM

Apr 2012

Some figures:
Apple employees: 70,000, of which 47,000 are in the USA - 67%
Apple revenue: Fifty-eight percent of revenues came from international sales

So, while Apple's sales are mostly outside the USA, their employees are mostly inside it. And you can't make those international sales without some people in the countries and regions you sell in.

So is another 500 employees in Ireland really a big problem for you?

I can see a beef with the outsourcing of manufacturing to Foxconn. But do you really think growing worldwide markets by employing people in those markets is a problem?

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Welcome to the global market. American workers NEED NOT APPLY. Thank you, free traders. [View all] Zalatix Apr 2012 OP

Our anger needs to be directed at the laws that enable these companies to gateley Apr 2012 #1

Yeah but if we direct our anger at these laws, we're called racists, John Birchers and Xenophobes. Zalatix Apr 2012 #2

By whom? gateley Apr 2012 #4

This isn't the only example. Zalatix Apr 2012 #7

Well, fuck 'em. It's just the better thing to do, economically and morally, gateley Apr 2012 #9

Alternatively, if capital faces few or no barriers to movement across international coalition_unwilling Apr 2012 #8

We Can Eliminate The Minimum Wage TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #11

Tax them when they go overseas. Take away any tax breaks they have right now. sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #43

Sounds simple and it COULD be that simple, but just try getting that gateley Apr 2012 #81

Apple is an international company. banned from Kos Apr 2012 #3

Good point. And that raises a question (in my mind, anyway) -- gateley Apr 2012 #5

BMW has two plants in China. Honda has four. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #20

They sell their stuff here. They should build it here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #6

So should/could we sell what we manufacture in other countries to those countries, gateley Apr 2012 #10

And Apple sell their stuff outside the US too muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #12

Actually there are another 700,000 workers that work for Apple through contractors Zalatix Apr 2012 #14

You know why the US trade deficit is as large as it is? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #24

I know if it wasn't funny enough Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #26

The right-wing US Chamber of Commerce loves people like you. Zalatix Apr 2012 #35

LOL calm down love Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #41

Smile! Because the US Chamber of Commerce still loves you! Zalatix Apr 2012 #45

BZZZZZZZZZZZT. Oil accounts for only HALF of the trade deficit. Zalatix Apr 2012 #31

I said that, clearly you can't read Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #33

Clearly you are the one who cannot read. Oil is NOT over HALF our deficit. It is LESS than half. Zalatix Apr 2012 #34

No, you're the one who evidently can't read. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #39

LOL you don't read articles, do you? Learn to read before you start attacking me. Zalatix Apr 2012 #42

Again: Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #46

Again: Zalatix Apr 2012 #48

I'm not "selling" anything Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #56

Correction: you're doing a poor job of selling. Zalatix Apr 2012 #57

Look around me? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #58

So what if they're headquarted in Cupertino? They hire 750,000 people outside the US Zalatix Apr 2012 #60

They sell more outside the US than in it Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #61

Then we need tariffs to force them to hire American workers to produce goods they sell here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #62

Why does America get to be a special case? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #67

Tariffs mean that they'll be forced to hire Americans to produce the iPads they sell HERE. Zalatix Apr 2012 #68

Well no, actually Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #69

More US Chamber of Commerce propaganda, eh? Zalatix Apr 2012 #70

How will a tariff close off access to this market? Recursion Apr 2012 #78

High-enough tariffs would make it more profitable for Apple to produce the goods here. Zalatix Apr 2012 #88

For the record, they do nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #59

Thumbs up! We need more of that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #63

Think of WHERE they are placed though nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #64

There is that, too. Zalatix Apr 2012 #65

You want to close borders nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #66

Tariffs can work. So can inflating away the national debt. Zalatix Apr 2012 #71

Tariffs don't work. Just ask FDR. But I do like your idea of global unions and workers' party. n/t pampango Apr 2012 #80

Intelligent tariffs work nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #85

Yes indeed, BLIND use of tariffs DO NOT WORK. Free Traders think we just want a blanket tariff war. Zalatix Apr 2012 #87

In macro economics tariffs have a limited use nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #83

Banned From Kos Is Full Of It TheMastersNemesis Apr 2012 #15

BMW employs people in the cheap labor, right to work South as a way to bust its Unions Romulox Apr 2012 #16

Right on. Brickbat Apr 2012 #19

Woah. Did not think of it that way. Zalatix Apr 2012 #36

good news Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #13

LOL. What a refreshing P.O.V. you introduce to DU! Romulox Apr 2012 #17

Sure it's good news Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #25

Remember last week when you were pretending not to be a cheap labor corporatist? Romulox Apr 2012 #27

Europe has "cheap labour"? Since when? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #29

You mean you're the only person here who doesn't know this? Zalatix Apr 2012 #37

If Irish labour is cheap it's because they have close to 15% unemployment Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #40

You're wrong again about corporate taxes. Zalatix Apr 2012 #44

The top-line corporate tax rate in the US is 35%. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #47

Seriously, you cannot read. The effective tax rate is far lower than 35%. Zalatix Apr 2012 #49

Sure, I can read them Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #51

The effective tax rate is an irrelevancy?!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!! Seriously?! Zalatix Apr 2012 #54

LOL. What a silly set of posts. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #75

Americans being excluded from the global labor market is good news? Zalatix Apr 2012 #21

boo hoo Sea-Dog Apr 2012 #22

Really? With a trade deficit of $40 billion per month it's quite obvious that Zalatix Apr 2012 #30

He's not for real. It's too over-the-top. nt Romulox Apr 2012 #23

Make it so these products cannot be sold in the US without a tariff. mmonk Apr 2012 #18

Farmers are too politically important for that Recursion Apr 2012 #73

Don't most multinationals emply people in many different countries? Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #28

They rarely hire in America, though. Look at our trade deficit. That says it all. Zalatix Apr 2012 #32

They hired 19,500 in the past 3 years or so muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #82

Yes, that's why they're a multinational company. tammywammy Apr 2012 #38

Multinational companies tend to lay off American workers and hire abroad. Zalatix Apr 2012 #50

Where in my post did I even use the word "discrimination"? tammywammy Apr 2012 #52

My point is that free traders would never even USE the word 'discrimination' Zalatix Apr 2012 #55

"Well, that's the global market" TheFarseer Apr 2012 #53

Plenty of laws are slanted in our favor. Agriculture and intellectual property, for instance Recursion Apr 2012 #74

OK, what law change would you seek to keep this from happening? Recursion Apr 2012 #72

LOL. Now we can't control trade. It just IS! nt Romulox Apr 2012 #76

Independent monetary policy, a stable currency, control of capital flow. Pick any 2. Recursion Apr 2012 #77

We have a *fiat* currency (most recently having printed TRILLIONS to give to the banks.) Romulox Apr 2012 #79

Small Business Exports WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #84

I had a small business for 30 years before retiring. Elwood P Dowd Apr 2012 #86

It is impossible to increase our exports. We can force jobs back here, though. Zalatix Apr 2012 #89