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11. Yes, and those whining about staying home because they saw no reason to vote are

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Tue Nov 18, 2014, 10:46 PM

Nov 2014

only trumpeting about how ignorant they are.

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If you thought the Postal Service was bad before, just wait: [View all] Veilex Nov 2014 OP

hmmm, I guess elections do have consequences still_one Nov 2014 #1

Imagine that. Sometimes "worse" really is worse, and "not as bad" is really not as bad. arcane1 Nov 2014 #2

Actually, I think the Postal service does an amazing job, but as you said things can get worse not still_one Nov 2014 #3

Me too! I was referring to the "lesser of two evils" excuse for not voting... arcane1 Nov 2014 #4

Tell me, which Democrats talked about the Post Office situation during their campaigns? LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #33

Indeed n/t arcane1 Nov 2014 #58

Maybe. Maybe not. Please see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #59

Come on the Post Office issue has been talked to death. upaloopa Nov 2014 #127

Please see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #77

Yes, and those whining about staying home because they saw no reason to vote are Cha Nov 2014 #11

Exactly Bobbie Jo Nov 2014 #79

Some elections and some consequences. merrily Nov 2014 #57

Here's Some Additional Links On This.... global1 Nov 2014 #92

In this thread from 2012 this was thrashed out a lot sketchy Nov 2014 #93

The purpose of the bill was to destroy the post office. You can tell that just from the title. merrily Nov 2014 #156

the goal is Dan Nov 2014 #5

You're probably spot on. Veilex Nov 2014 #13

The goal is to destroy the nation's largest union and defund the Democratic Party .... Scuba Nov 2014 #26

^THIS^ LondonReign2 Nov 2014 #37

Democrats have not exactly been thwarting that plan. Please see reply 57 merrily Nov 2014 #62

The Democratic Party has been infiltrated by conservatives. Scuba Nov 2014 #84

More than infiltrated. As someone else once put it, merrily Nov 2014 #85

"Swallowed". Yes. Thanks for the positive vibe; I need it today. Scuba Nov 2014 #89

Or the tail wagged the dog until it became the dog. We all need a positive vibe every day. merrily Nov 2014 #159

Who the fuck thinks the USPS is bad? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #6

Yep! And then their clients like UPS and FEDEX . . . brush Nov 2014 #7

Its straight up ridiculous.....this is NOTHING more than an attempt to bust a strong Union... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8

Right! brush Nov 2014 #10

Not sure how long this has been an idea...but I think its brilliant... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12

There used to be a postal savings system in the US Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #22

The pre-funding requirement is not stopping them from having a surplus. former9thward Nov 2014 #45

Not true! brush Nov 2014 #47

You are right....that was complete and utter crap... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #51

Yeah, RW sites like the General Accounting Office... former9thward Nov 2014 #65

not THAT part....GEEBUS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #94

Unable to read? former9thward Nov 2014 #97

are YOU? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

This thread started when it was posted former9thward Nov 2014 #102

Tough! I proved you WRONG...both Bernie Sanders and Ralph Nader agree with me... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #103

They made the fucking payments for 7 fucking years! ieoeja Nov 2014 #180

No, they did not make them for 7 years. former9thward Nov 2014 #181

They still made partial payments for seven years. And fuck you, asshole. ieoeja Nov 2014 #182

No they never made partial payments after the first one. former9thward Nov 2014 #183

You said they hadn't paid anything, which is not true. brush Nov 2014 #151

I said they had not paid in the last three years. former9thward Nov 2014 #165

Its quite interesting philosslayer Nov 2014 #70

but it has to do with the FUNDING for 75 yrs in advance....what OTHER org has to do that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #95

Henry Waxman was a co-sponsor of the bill philosslayer Nov 2014 #112

I showed earlier that yes...SOME democrats supported it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

SOME? philosslayer Nov 2014 #117

no not more than some....there are only about 6 Blue Dogs left.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #119

This question is addressed by DUers wiser than I in this thread from 2012 sketchy Nov 2014 #116

My god....they call themselves Democrats...then lie like hell about them....then expect us to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #120

Utterly false. former9thward Nov 2014 #64

BUT they have to fund 75 yrs within 10....FACT VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #96

NO, NOT A FACT. former9thward Nov 2014 #98

Oh fucking yes it is..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #99

You are calling the GAO liars. former9thward Nov 2014 #104

No...that is NOT who I am calling the liar..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #105

The GAO says BS. former9thward Nov 2014 #107

So what's tyour postition? Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #109

When did you stop beating your wife? former9thward Nov 2014 #110

The setup was your responses in this thread. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #111

I support people who want to unionize. former9thward Nov 2014 #118

So you are OK with the union contract being nullified Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #122

You want me to adopt your strawmen. former9thward Nov 2014 #124

There is no strawman. I asked your position Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #125

I have already answered you on the post office. former9thward Nov 2014 #130

when did you stop beating yours? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114

and I am saying YOU need to get out more and read..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #113

It doesn't say "they haven't made payments in 3 years". louis-t Nov 2014 #121

It hasn't. former9thward Nov 2014 #123

and we have repeatedly explained to you why.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #126

Now you speak for all the posters... former9thward Nov 2014 #131

I am speaking for all the ones here trying to speak to you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #137

from YOUR article... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #128

"Overfunded by $11 billion"!!! louis-t Nov 2014 #129

They sure are. Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #134

Boom! Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #135

You willful ignore they have not been paying it. former9thward Nov 2014 #140

Yes they HAVE been....that is why it is OVERFUNDED! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #141

So the GAO, NY Times and other articles I have posted are lying out it. former9thward Nov 2014 #142

because the CAN"T take the money FROM the pension plan....THAT IS WHY!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #143

Yep, all RW lies by the GAO and NY Times. former9thward Nov 2014 #144

Its ALREADY OVERFUNDED!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #145

First you say they WERE paying the payments former9thward Nov 2014 #146

I shown over and over...its OVERFUNDED...and they cannot USE that to cover the shortfall VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #147

And if you are not a Bernie Sanders fan...how about Think Progress and Ralph Nader VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #101

SAME WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION and the NEA and AFT. Union-destroying; nothing to do with teaching kids. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #63

If the USPS disappeared tomorrow Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #28

UPS and Fed Ex., etc would handle deliveries. djean111 Nov 2014 #32

Say good bye to delivery to your door Bettie Nov 2014 #43

They don't have the capability . . . brush Nov 2014 #44

It'll be cheap and efficient for big cities taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #56

No one. As I posted above the shippers have repeatedly underpants Nov 2014 #82

Oh noes! Repugs tell me the private sector louis-t Nov 2014 #132

UPS and FEDEX have repeatedly said that they can't go to every door every day underpants Nov 2014 #80

I agree!! nt DawgHouse Nov 2014 #42

Honestly, the USPS sucks real bad taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #60

I think you should just sent all correspondance and packages wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #91

Great post, people are so clueless at time. nt Logical Nov 2014 #133

Please tell me why I'm clueless taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #150

So just pay FEDEX $18.00 a letter instead of the cost of a stamp and quit complaining about the PO. brush Nov 2014 #152

Why don't you respond to my post rather than bringing up a strawman taught_me_patience Nov 2014 #149

I think the Post office has excellent service wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #171

NO it doesn't ....its a damn lie... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

Which is why it has to be xxqqqzme Nov 2014 #108

Indeed! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #139

Even without prefundining they are loosing money Travis_0004 Nov 2014 #177

uh no....epic fail... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #178

the are OVERFUNDED on the Pension plan.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #179

Right after the Army and the Airforce. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #9

The Army gladium et scutum Nov 2014 #19

I beg to differ. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #40

The Constitution gladium et scutum Nov 2014 #136

Add to that - if everyone got a mailbox underpants Nov 2014 #83

Up To Now All The Damage To The U.S. Postal Service That Was Done By The Repubs.... global1 Nov 2014 #14

Not true. Research the history of the 2006 postal "reform" act and see Reply 57. merrily Nov 2014 #66

Yes, sunlight is still the best disinfectant sketchy Nov 2014 #78

File bankruptcy, what the hell for? They are making a profit! B Calm Nov 2014 #15

They would be making a profit if it wasn't for the repug . . . brush Nov 2014 #46

+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Nov 2014 #48

Nope. That legislation had bi-partisan support. Please see Reply 57 and look up the yeas and nays merrily Nov 2014 #67

That 75 year funding requirement was slipped in in the Senate to the House bill by a repug. brush Nov 2014 #153

Not misleading at all. It was rammed through the senate w/o yeas and nays and the House vote merrily Nov 2014 #155

The 75 year funding clause was slipped into the House bill in the Senate by a repug . . . brush Nov 2014 #157

I understood that the first time you said it. So what? The entire bill was written by a "repug" merrily Nov 2014 #158

More like the bill was written by ALEC . . . brush Nov 2014 #162

Regardless. Even if so, ALEC acted through Postal Commissioner Taub, Obama's appointee. merrily Nov 2014 #163

So your point is Obama is behind the repugs trying to close the PO? brush Nov 2014 #164

If you missed my point, maybe you should read my posts again. merrily Nov 2014 #167

But you keep saying Obama appointed, and Obama reappointed brush Nov 2014 #168

If you saw nothing in my posts about the House and Senate, something is very wrong. merrily Nov 2014 #169

Obama didn't get elected until 2008 brush Nov 2014 #173

Yes, I know both those things very well. And? merrily Nov 2014 #174

Okay, we see things differently . . . brush Nov 2014 #175

Huh? Do you mean Obama could not, in 2009, merrily Nov 2014 #176

A few complaints lately. moondust Nov 2014 #16

I send thousands of letters and packages out with the USPS every year.... NCTraveler Nov 2014 #25

I'm withholding judgment. moondust Nov 2014 #87

I would withhold judgement if they messed up my deliveries.... NCTraveler Nov 2014 #88

I would be curious to know how many postal workers voted for pugs in the election. I bet many. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #17

We all knew it was headed that direction davidpdx Nov 2014 #18

"If you thought the Postal Service was bad before..." Brickbat Nov 2014 #20

Me either. Vinca Nov 2014 #21

+1000 Orrex Nov 2014 #35

me either. I love the US Mail Service. I still my all my bills this way. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #148

I didn't think it was bad before or bad now. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #23

me too Hari Seldon Nov 2014 #36

I have never thought the USPS was bad n/t etherealtruth Nov 2014 #24

Me either. It has been slandered a lot, though, by those who want privatization. merrily Nov 2014 #160

In general, I think the post office is just fine. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #27

If you saw inside one of the major sorting centers...... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2014 #41

This sounds like ALEC. And I love the Post Office, I think it's great. nt Zorra Nov 2014 #29

Me too. For under half a buck I mail a letter in the lobby of my building in Boston and merrily Nov 2014 #68

Tip of the iceberg for this Johnson person. Hugin Nov 2014 #30

Not really "dismantling" I think. Feral Child Nov 2014 #86

Please see Replies 57 and 158. merrily Nov 2014 #161

Just as I suspected. Hugin Nov 2014 #172

Thanks alot to the 'I'm not voting this year' people Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #31

Privatization has had bipartisan support, subtle and not so subtle. Please see replies 57, 158 and merrily Nov 2014 #170

Eh. I don't do mail anymore anyway. maced666 Nov 2014 #34

I send handwritten thank-you's all the time. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #49

Eh...if you didn't have the USPS.....you wouldn't be getting some of your Fedex and UPS VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #52

There is nothing wrong with the USPS that repealing Ilsa Nov 2014 #38

100% agree!!! Veilex Nov 2014 #71

Honestly, though, I've never had many problems with the USPS up to this point. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2014 #39

Fedex is using the USPS! merrily Nov 2014 #69

And has been for any and all shipping that is above their capacity Veilex Nov 2014 #72

Yep. Isn't that insane, hiring Fedex to use USPS, when you can just ship USPS yourself? merrily Nov 2014 #74

And for isolated deliveries underpants Nov 2014 #81

I love the Post Office & ours is very busy. CrispyQ Nov 2014 #50

USPS is one of the best in the world .... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2014 #53

Agreed Veilex Nov 2014 #73

I love the Post Office mnhtnbb Nov 2014 #55

I don't think that, TYVM. Do you not get your mail on time? I do. WinkyDink Nov 2014 #61

Dont mistake the title line for an opinion. Veilex Nov 2014 #76

USPS delivers on Sundays for Amazon customers. madfloridian Nov 2014 #75

Ironically, Amazon could save the USPS from Republican cuts wyldwolf Nov 2014 #90

If things are really as bad as indicated I could go without Saturday delivery but: Paper Roses Nov 2014 #106

They are fighting for their existence. How are rolls of tape, gift bags and last minute gifts merrily Nov 2014 #166

I prefer Death Cab For Cutie, but Codeine Nov 2014 #154