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In the discussion thread: Fellow childfree folks, how much did you love writing the check out to the IRS after hearing all the [View all]

Response to ieoeja (Reply #79)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 01:49 PM

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109. Its more than that

depending on income level.

Not only do you get the exemption, you also get a huge increase in the range you can earn, and the amount of, the earned income credit, and head of household filing status (vs single). In addition you have the child tax credit and the child care credit.

A single person with 12,000 in income probably pays X, whereas a single tax payer with one child and an income of 18,000 will have no tax liability, and in fact have a negative tax bill due to the various refundable credits.

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Fellow childfree folks, how much did you love writing the check out to the IRS after hearing all the [View all]	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	OP
hey, people with no kids have tons more money to spend right? like gays? oh, wait nt	msongs	Apr 2012	#1
I'm single and got a refund	bluestateguy	Apr 2012	#2
I have no children and I got a refund.	Ruby the Liberal	Apr 2012	#3
I had to pay ove a thousand this year	mindwalker_i	Apr 2012	#4
our kids are all grown up	newspeak	Apr 2012	#76
If you were living off "a little above minimum wage"	former9thward	Apr 2012	#121
well, hubby makes under 15 an hour and we must pay for health insurance	newspeak	Apr 2012	#224
Yes that is a nasty penalty.	former9thward	Apr 2012	#227
Must have taken too much medicine tonight -	edgineered	Apr 2012	#5
I have two kids age six and three...we wrote a check	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#6
Just wait until those kids reach college age	Art_from_Ark	Apr 2012	#33
Tell me about it....	truebrit71	Apr 2012	#226
i do not pay taxes with you.	dionysus	Apr 2012	#7
:)	pinboy3niner	Apr 2012	#51
Lol	XanaDUer	Apr 2012	#164
Me, me, me.	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#8
so you have no problem	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#24
Perhaps I realize those kids	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#25
yeah, the great part about that is	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#30
So you agree with the op	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#36
The hardest part is affording housing as a single person.	dkf	Apr 2012	#90
Here is a huge clue	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#95
single people can still get roommates.	noamnety	Apr 2012	#176
So you should get your own house, while others must room up	joeglow3	Apr 2012	#222
Well they are MARRIED. You want them to be able to live separately?	dkf	Apr 2012	#223
So who is going to be paying your Social Security? (nt)	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#78
If you didn't have to pay for other people you could have saved it.	dkf	Apr 2012	#89
Yep, but that is not how the system works.	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#93
ah, but the math says	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#113
Two things wrong with your math	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#114
those are not the numbers I came up with	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#117
No, the point is	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#119
I will be receiving a benefit	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#122
lol	unapatriciated	Apr 2012	#171
current world population above 7 billion.	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#139
TY	stuntcat	Apr 2012	#161
+1	bahrbearian	Apr 2012	#183
And I assume you're headed over to Guinea-Bissou right now, where the so-called "population problem"	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#200
Can the snark.	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#205
So if no Americans have babies, the population issue in Zimbabwe is solved?	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#208
Please post accepted research and links to back up your remarks. Thanks. n/t	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#213
Why don't you tell me which data point you think needs Additional verification.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#214
What irritates me is that you are snarking at me and waving data	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#215
Okay, well maybe you missed the part about how we've had this argument (DU, not you and me) several	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#216
I think some of my links, or one, anyway	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#228
I'm sure they'll engage you on it in an earnest fashion, as is their wont. Although maybe via text.	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#229
and a marked propensity for vituperation and snark.	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#232
It's that generation gap, again	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#233
OK, then	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#234
Gen x is definitely a demographic divot between boomers & millenials	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#235
These kids will someday pay into the Social Security that you'll collect	LiberalEsto	Apr 2012	#68
that's assuming I live long enough to collect anything	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#111
What return rate do you get on your investments?	SATIRical	Apr 2012	#115
in your example, the single person is better off	Bill McBlueState	Apr 2012	#193
thank you	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#196
I'm married with one (and soon to be two)	seeviewonder	Apr 2012	#9
We sent off $3,116.00	SoCalDem	Apr 2012	#10
Sounds like you would have been a crappy parent anyways! What....	Logical	Apr 2012	#11
This is a rude and mean post. Crappy PARENTS are the ones who don't do society a favour.	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#65
+1	nashville_brook	Apr 2012	#101
Most definitely! n/t	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#206
If that's not a personal attack, I don't know what is.	ceile	Apr 2012	#138
did you read the OP... be consistent	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#145
Single, no kids here. Got a refund because of mortgage interest and property taxes	CakeGrrl	Apr 2012	#12
I am single and retired and I wrote a check for over $15000 for federal tax	doc03	Apr 2012	#13
single, retired, got a nice refund	shanti	Apr 2012	#177
Hmmm? Grandma raised 3 kids last year, with daycare, graduation, etc...., so we LIVE on the refund.	txwhitedove	Apr 2012	#14
Aww.. Bless your heart..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#15
I can't bring myself to be outraged that having dependents results in deductions	fishwax	Apr 2012	#16
God, really. This whole thread is absurd. (nt)	Posteritatis	Apr 2012	#83
Single. No kids of my own, but did put one niece and one nephew through college.	WillowTree	Apr 2012	#17
Plenty of childfree people get refunds and don't "have" to spend it on kids -- what's your point? n	gateley	Apr 2012	#18
the point is not about the refund, it is about the tax bill	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#41
There is no special deduction for children. And where are you getting those numbers?	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#79
that's right the exemption	newspeak	Apr 2012	#84
Just as exemptions are per person, one could argue that the bracket range should be multipled too.	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#118
Inventing?	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#133
Your numbers differ from what I see published.	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#140
you are adding that wrong	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#178
Its more than that	Sgent	Apr 2012	#109
there is an accursed tax credit of $1,000 per child	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#132
"Does that seem like a fair tax system to you..?"	Chan790	Apr 2012	#186
If sending a relatively small check to Uncle Sam is the price...	Rochester	Apr 2012	#19
Oh, goodie. Yet another parent-and-children-bashing	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#20
+1.	TheWraith	Apr 2012	#39
I hear ya. I also have no problem	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#92
Mostly married people with children vote the politicians in that are also married and	doc03	Apr 2012	#21
Fellow renting folks, how much did you love writing the check out to the IRS after hearing all the	Luminous Animal	Apr 2012	#22
I've owned 3 homes	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#34
Your problem is you need a better accountant, not others with children. (nt)	jeff47	Apr 2012	#123
I had $9500 of my income exempt from taxes.	LiberalFighter	Apr 2012	#23
You avoid restaurants?	pipoman	Apr 2012	#61
lots of negativity in the replies	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#26
+1	REP	Apr 2012	#27
Pockets being picked?	Luminous Animal	Apr 2012	#37
the record is clear	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#43
I'm not real sure what you are complaining about here, you want the mortgage deduction gone	snooper2	Apr 2012	#81
Did you read the link?	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#108
I think you should read this, then some of the comments	snooper2	Apr 2012	#112
+1. That's how it is in America. Everyone is concerned the next person	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#48
Those children will be subsidizing your retirement. nt	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#42
as the poster subsidized the retirements of others. so?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#45
That's exactly the point. I'm sorry you missed it. nt	laundry_queen	Apr 2012	#77
'Pockets are being picked'?	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#58
I would argue that my share of the tax burden	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#105
well said	NewJeffCT	Apr 2012	#168
You reap what you sow n/t	n2doc	Apr 2012	#70
Why should I pay for cancer research? I don't have cancer	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#87
it's not about what I am paying for	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#116
When I was single and childless, I noticed all of this. But remembered I was a child once, and my	freshwest	Apr 2012	#181
So true	bahrbearian	Apr 2012	#184
What a fucked up post	rufus dog	Apr 2012	#28
Someone is off the chain!	Rex	Apr 2012	#29
"They have value, we don't."	Tarheel_Dem	Apr 2012	#31
Those kids will be funding my Social Security.	Starry Messenger	Apr 2012	#32
Are you going to start a thread	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#35
There are worse things to be upset about...	jmowreader	Apr 2012	#38
You sound bitter	tkmorris	Apr 2012	#40
another thread where the 99% fight with each other over crumbs. win for the 1%.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#44
Exactly!	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#49
Exactly	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#59
+1000 nt	Javaman	Apr 2012	#73
Win!	JNelson6563	Apr 2012	#82
Yes, in that respect, the 1% are morally superior. They stick together and we shred each other.	freshwest	Apr 2012	#180
Kids are expensive, I don't care about that but I am against the homeowners credit	TheKentuckian	Apr 2012	#46
So you support globalism and don't fancy paying your taxes	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#47
HA!	SammyWinstonJack	Apr 2012	#50
Thread winner	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#54
No children, and no resentment, here.	salin	Apr 2012	#52
One some level I resent it	schlagehundenancee	Apr 2012	#53
Jeez Louise, just have a baby, then. Problem solved.	Brickbat	Apr 2012	#55
I don't have children, and I disagree on this	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#56
Another hit-and-run shit-stir compliments of The RB TexLa Show! nt	Codeine	Apr 2012	#57
didn't get a refund but I didn't make enough to pay either.	hobbit709	Apr 2012	#60
Childless and retired here, I get pissed that I	Autumn	Apr 2012	#62
I have one child	Maine-ah	Apr 2012	#63
A child..	sendero	Apr 2012	#64
I never pay the Feds...	a la izquierda	Apr 2012	#66
KIds, no kids, it doesn't matter. Gloating and whining are neither one attractive or effective.	Arkansas Granny	Apr 2012	#67
^^^^ Thread win. n/t	gkhouston	Apr 2012	#69
Got a refund.	GeorgeGist	Apr 2012	#71
Resentful much? n/t	cynatnite	Apr 2012	#72
Stupid breeders. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#74
I have no kids and I got a refund...	Javaman	Apr 2012	#75
I raised my three children, they are no longer deductible, I didn't write any checks	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#80
I can only say this... "bless your little heart..."	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#85
Kinda reminds me of people without a car complaining about paying taxes to build roads	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#86
No children and we pay a huge amt of taxes	Mojorabbit	Apr 2012	#88
Theoretically, a progressive tax system is supposed to take into account ability to pay taxes.	PA Democrat	Apr 2012	#91
Think of us gayfolk	HillWilliam	Apr 2012	#94
Sounds like you need to adjust your withholding...	jayfish	Apr 2012	#96
refunds are from overwithholding or overpayment	ctaylors6	Apr 2012	#97
Well Sir...	Xyzse	Apr 2012	#98
Maybe you should save your animosity for corporations who don't pay taxes. n/t	cynatnite	Apr 2012	#99
Taxes is the price we pay for civilisation	Ron Obvious	Apr 2012	#100
Hear, Hear!!!! nt	bluestate10	Apr 2012	#231
No children here now, they are adults.	Silver Swan	Apr 2012	#102
You have received some interesting responses	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#103
Children are still a net loss even with tax-benefits	4th law of robotics	Apr 2012	#107
I think that while true, that's a different issue	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#126
Where did my children go?	hughee99	Apr 2012	#104
Ugh, "Childfree" = kid-hater.	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#106
Since this is DU	WinniSkipper	Apr 2012	#127
Sorry, but I have to disagree. My youngest son and his wife decided before they married	Arkansas Granny	Apr 2012	#128
Sorry, I was generalizing.	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#129
I know what you mean. I've met them, too.	Arkansas Granny	Apr 2012	#130
I know lots of "childfree" people with the same attitude. nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#188
Why would some parents think "child-free" people would make the effort to hate their darling angels?	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#210
Try doing the math before you troll	Proud Public Servant	Apr 2012	#110
You pay taxes for one person. Single parent paying taxes for two gets twice your deduction.	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#120
i'd rather people with children get it than the generals.	spanone	Apr 2012	#124
They also have to support the children!	Yo_Mama	Apr 2012	#125
That is their lifestyle choice	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#131
So? Your point?	Yo_Mama	Apr 2012	#147
It's no wonder that every time I come here I see less and less posts	SomethingFishy	Apr 2012	#134
no shit!	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#135
Which is why I would never, ever recommend DU to anyone who was not a raving lib/prog/leftist.	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#141
yuh... oh, poor poor moderates	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#143
the centrists are just like us, they just want fewer good things and more bad things than we do	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#167
You stirred up a bunch of shit and then quickly vanished	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#136
I said what I wanted to say.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#144
with a Republican post	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#156
+1	NewJeffCT	Apr 2012	#166
Are you kidding? They expect people to have reverence in their voice anytime the word	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#174
that's not what makes it a Republican post --it's because you want something and it's only about you	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#175
Yes, yes you did	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#173
I am so with you. Specially since nearly all current problems at their core	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#137
(please someone consider this list)	stuntcat	Apr 2012	#162
We have value. In this case, govt doesn't recognize it.	Zax2me	Apr 2012	#142
I have no kids and got a refund... probably buying another gun with it.	OneTenthofOnePercent	Apr 2012	#146
Although you haven't responded to one single response, I suppose I should ask:	ithinkmyliverhurts	Apr 2012	#148
those children are going to be paying for your retirement benefits, like Medicare and SS	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#149
No, and I think this is about as silly as the 53%er nonsense	Hippo_Tron	Apr 2012	#150
from age 12-32 single and no kids, i got a refund. i also put the most in thru out year	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#151
The tax code is chuck full of preferential treatments.	NYC_SKP	Apr 2012	#152
Wanna live by yourself?	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#153
Then why do the politicians never say working Americans? It's always working families.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#155
you just scapegoated children for your lack of tax refund --how lame	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#158
It's not that I mind paying. It's just we have to pay for their lifestyle choice.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#159
then you are opting out of Social Security and Medicare, correct?	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#160
Just how much have your taxes gone up..	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#182
Divide and conquer, baby.	Iggo	Apr 2012	#154
+1	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#157
Whether you get a refund depends on your deductions. But singles pay the HIGHEST rate. nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2012	#163
same poo, different day	CreekDog	Apr 2012	#165
i do not poo with you.	dionysus	Apr 2012	#169
My children are grown and we pay a fair amount in taxes.	unapatriciated	Apr 2012	#170
I don't care as long as people keep their kids of my lawn nt	Zorra	Apr 2012	#172
Of all the things in our tax code, THIS is what you choose this to bitch about?	progressoid	Apr 2012	#179
I got a refund	ibegurpard	Apr 2012	#185
You sound jealous or envious and resentful	LaurenG	Apr 2012	#187
I made the choice to not have children, no one else has a say in that.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#189
I don't think anyone else wants a say in your private decisions	LaurenG	Apr 2012	#190
I do have extra withholding. All I'm saying is there is no reason to give them	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#191
That is not a very progressive opinion	LaurenG	Apr 2012	#195
Oh, right.	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#211
Hahaha oh dear	LaurenG	Apr 2012	#212
I'm not the one regretting MY choices....	Darth_Kitten	Apr 2012	#218
I'm not complaining either way. I understand why people would choose to remain childless	LaurenG	Apr 2012	#219
I don't have kids and will never have kids but I pay taxes	Rex	Apr 2012	#192
I loved it.	Bolo Boffin	Apr 2012	#194
I have no problem with dependent deductions and child tax credits-with limitations	liberaltrucker	Apr 2012	#197
What's that? Can't hear ya over the sound of all this DANCING MONEY!	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#198
Not unhappy. Just don't think we should have to pay for their lifestyle choice	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#201
Well... ya do!	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#202
It's not like it is a progressive tax, the people who struggle on the same salaries as the	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#203
Turn down the dancing money, honey	Warren DeMontague	Apr 2012	#209
This post was hidden by jury decision.	liberaltrucker	Apr 2012	#207
There's at least one baby in your household. n/t	rucky	Apr 2012	#199
Adjust your withholding amount and deal with it.	janx	Apr 2012	#204
So it's people with children's fault...	BiggJawn	Apr 2012	#217
I made the decision not to father children very early in my life.	MineralMan	Apr 2012	#220
I have 3 kids and gave the IRS $10,000	joeglow3	Apr 2012	#221
I have one "child" and had to pay over three grand...	truebrit71	Apr 2012	#225
I am childless. I have done well financially.	bluestate10	Apr 2012	#230

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