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Dragonfli

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62. Handcuffing children is abusive, you will never convince me otherwise, All that advocate such abuse

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:52 PM

Apr 2012

will now be on my ignore list so you will not have to be reminded of what such treatment actually is.

You will hence forth be free to advocate whatever medieval "discipline" of other peoples children you wish without me calling the kettle black in such a blasphemous fashion as I will not even see your "views" on tough love and police punishment for kinder gardeners.

Have fun hoss, I will hence forth only protect the weak in the real world. You and your "tough on child crime" friends will be completely invisible to me now and will be free to discuss how cool this stuff is without my criticism.

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About the idea of handcuffing six year olds [View all] Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 OP

I still stand with both the cops and the school on this. My belief is they handled teddy51 Apr 2012 #1

I disagree HockeyMom Apr 2012 #3

Read post #2 for what could happen to school officials if they were required to restrain teddy51 Apr 2012 #4

A basket hold for a very young child is not illegal HockeyMom Apr 2012 #8

But my question still is, why should this school be required to deal with students like this? teddy51 Apr 2012 #10

What has happened in Florida (because of money and the Governor) HockeyMom Apr 2012 #13

No kidding... That should scare the crap out of parents with children that do not have behavioral teddy51 Apr 2012 #14

Tell me about it HockeyMom Apr 2012 #30

Respectfully . . . Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #28

Agreed, and the fact that she became a problem that the school officials felt that they couldn't teddy51 Apr 2012 #32

We had one very violent mainstream First Grade boy HockeyMom Apr 2012 #40

There's not enough information in the article to answer those questions. riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #43

Why shouldn't they? surrealAmerican Apr 2012 #39

Why? Because her attendance disrupts other kids in the class and probably frightens the hell out teddy51 Apr 2012 #41

... but these ARE the experts. surrealAmerican Apr 2012 #44

I disagree, this is just a school and a school that probably has had the crap kicked out of both teddy51 Apr 2012 #47

You are saying it is not illegal, that doesnt mean you cannot be sued for doing it. nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #81

Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. Cleita Apr 2012 #9

I have learned a great deal from that thread, mainly that there is a great deal of animosity Dragonfli Apr 2012 #29

Hang in there. Cleita Apr 2012 #36

Diplomacy has never been my strong suit, but hurt feelings and thin skin drive Dragonfli Apr 2012 #42

I'm a special ed teacher and I disagree with you proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #12

how does that prevent bites? squeeze harder? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #16

My mother was a special ed teacher WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #65

Since the teachers are not allowed to physically touch the kids, I believe its a good idea Stinky riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #2

That is not true HockeyMom Apr 2012 #5

There are a few recent cases of little bitty Florida students being hauled off by the cops Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #15

this not a child diagnosed with special needs. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #17

They have discountinued testing very young children in Florida HockeyMom Apr 2012 #22

This girl is 6. It is likely her first year in school. When I was a kid in NYC 30+ years ago Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #50

Really? The state of Florida is violating federal regulations? proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #52

Its true at my school in IL. Its true in my sister's schools in other IL districts, and CA as well. riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #33

Bullshit proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #51

We have school police in my district Nevernose Apr 2012 #6

The question becomes, are Educators required to deal with what I see as a dangerous student? teddy51 Apr 2012 #7

None of us have any idea where this child belongs proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #18

I might agree, but it seems clear that she has some issues that need to be dealt with. teddy51 Apr 2012 #23

Yes she has issues but that doesn't make her disabled proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #25

Ok, I understand! Didn't know that was a prerequisite for special needs. n/t teddy51 Apr 2012 #27

There needs to be a disability proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #49

The principal should be charged? WTH? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #19

Of course we can't win. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #24

Teachers aren't principals Nevernose Apr 2012 #31

Really? YOu think this was just a case of a simple temper tantrum? riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #37

And I believe any school employee not willing to do proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #46

"Because if you can't control a kindergarten student throwing a temper tantrum without calling the Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #48

I'm old school...I believe teachers/school security stand "in locus parentis" HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #11

To prevent her from hurting herself or others proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #21

I'm not opposed to reasonable and justified restraint. HereSince1628 Apr 2012 #26

BUT ZAY MUST Learn!!!!!! fascisthunter Apr 2012 #20

There are no winners here. And what is the alternative to trained cops? Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #35

One thing missing in all these posts on what .... AnneD Apr 2012 #79

These situations will continue to come up, so what's needed are ways to deal with them when they do Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #80

No.... AnneD Apr 2012 #88

Exactly proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #85

My plan... to use an adult without it being a cop fascisthunter Apr 2012 #90

Careful FH, I was roundly attacked and had a barrage of posts hidden for attempting to stand up for Dragonfli Apr 2012 #38

I just want to say laundry_queen Apr 2012 #45

Baloney. Your posts were hidden because you engaged in personal attacks. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #53

Thank you but I no longer post on AOL and will no longer be baited. I think you do not understand Dragonfli Apr 2012 #54

1. I've worked with young children for 3 decades so yes, I do know how easily they can be hurt proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #55

I guess I "broke the rules" because I really believe that small children should be Dragonfli Apr 2012 #56

Bullshit! ProudKansan isn't advocating abuse. at. all. That's an ugly smear. riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #57

Handcuffing children is abusive, you will never convince me otherwise, All that advocate such abuse Dragonfli Apr 2012 #62

My "ignores" on my transparency page are still unchanged. Can you PLEASE put me on ignore already??! riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #67

That depends, do you also advocate handcuffing children and consider it to not be abusive? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #71

Aww, tricky isn't it, this grey area? No easy answers for you dragon. riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #73

I think handcuffing small children is painful, cruel, and unusual Dragonfli Apr 2012 #74

What are your thoughts on carseats? Like an auto-straightjacket. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #82

I'm not upset. We merely disagree. proud2BlibKansan Apr 2012 #58

Are you a teacher or are you planning to become one? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #60

No, I can't seem to get on board with the new normal of handcuffs for children, by the way Dragonfli Apr 2012 #63

Seems like you would want to be one given your expressed concern. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #64

This sounds a lot like "won't someone think of the children!" nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #61

So now your blaming multiple juries? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #59

But we need to give more tax cuts to the wealthy job creators. Fuck the schools. madinmaryland Apr 2012 #34

Milledgeville, GA is a town of 19,000 in a mostly rural county of 46,000 FarCenter Apr 2012 #66

Yeah well, other "advice" has consisted of locking the kid in a closet until the parents arrive, riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #69

If you read my suggestion, they don't need a panoply of anything Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #72

Bondage cuffs would appear to be a good solution FarCenter Apr 2012 #68

Those are for bondage dilletentes and porn stars. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #70

So each school should have a couple pairs of leather wrist restraints and the problem is solved FarCenter Apr 2012 #75

Noooooo Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #76

Another option would be to lock the child into a car seat FarCenter Apr 2012 #77

Okay, we're done. Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #78

Sure, we'll just pay for Officer Friendly by cutting art and music or some other program that... JVS Apr 2012 #83

How do you come to that conclusion? Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #84

Hiring an extra cop just for the occasional outburst of children costs money. They already have cops JVS Apr 2012 #86

:sigh: I'm going to quote from the OP: Stinky The Clown Apr 2012 #87

They could have sent Officer Bache and his companion Cora FarCenter Apr 2012 #89