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Warren DeMontague

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280. Again, the massive amounts of evidence- DNA, fossil, etc. points to only one answer.

Sun Nov 2, 2014, 11:48 PM

Nov 2014

Evolution by natural selection.

That's where you come from. Same as your cat, same as the fish in the aquarium, same as the bushes outside your window. Evolution.

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‘God is not a magician’: Pope says Christians should believe in evolution and Big Bang [View all] kpete Oct 2014 OP

heads explode dembotoz Oct 2014 #1

Nah, Faux Snooze will totally ignore this so the cretins will not know about it. lark Oct 2014 #132

"because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve." Fox viewers don't evolve. loudsue Oct 2014 #240

"God created man... olegramps Oct 2014 #136

What amazes me is that the fundies can't ... aggiesal Oct 2014 #200

Including here, it would seem. nt Union Scribe Nov 2014 #278

Closer...closer...closer. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #2

Ouch! I doubt the RW can handle ebola and another of the Pope's revelations Frustratedlady Oct 2014 #3

"evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve". Now that wasn't so hard, was it? BlueStreak Oct 2014 #4

You mean making silly stuff up about a topic he knows zip about? gcomeau Oct 2014 #88

You do realize that the Vatican has priests with PhDs in biology, physics Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #175

Indeed gcomeau Oct 2014 #176

I don't think I would call abiogensis a scientific fact Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #178

Right.... RichGirl Oct 2014 #185

Sigh... gcomeau Oct 2014 #226

I wouldn't say "many." I think that number is probably small. Adrahil Oct 2014 #198

Kind of like there are "many scientists" gcomeau Oct 2014 #227

Uh no. Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #229

They believe... gcomeau Oct 2014 #230

Awwww Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #234

Educating you on the scientific reality of this topic? gcomeau Nov 2014 #267

Metabolism first theory? Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #268

It makes a great deal of sense... gcomeau Nov 2014 #269

But it is not abiogenisis Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #276

Umm, it is exactly abiogenesis. gcomeau Nov 2014 #277

I think you better go educate yourself. Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #283

I happen to be rather thoroughly educated on it gcomeau Nov 2014 #284

DEFINITION: Drahthaardogs Nov 2014 #289

For cripes sake... gcomeau Nov 2014 #294

And One out of Five Dentists don't reccomend Trident for their patients who chew gum. Thor_MN Nov 2014 #246

Is that supposed to impress anyone? bvf Oct 2014 #242

I am willing to allow this Pope a liberal interpretation of "create" BlueStreak Nov 2014 #261

You can allow it, but he's not using it so that's kind of irrelevant. gcomeau Nov 2014 #266

The Jesuits are not anti-intellectualism like some other forms of Christianity. liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #5

Actually Pope Pius XII issued an encyclical in 1950 saying there was no conflict between the TOE yellowcanine Oct 2014 #15

That's right... ReRe Oct 2014 #25

Evangelists are coming into the Catholic Church and polluting it TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #69

The Evangelical movement in the Catholic Church seemed to be catching on Maedhros Oct 2014 #103

They also instituted healing services and had nuns laying on of hands. hollysmom Oct 2014 #107

THere is a difference between Catholic Charismatics and Protestant Evangelical converts. TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #138

I avoid the Charismatics Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #199

But this Pope says (or reads) it so beautifully. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #87

Francis is a different sort of pope, that much hifiguy Oct 2014 #110

I know. I just wish. He could change a lot that is stupid in the world. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #111

If the pope wishes to do something about our world, he could do it in a single proclamation BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #140

Very true. That was my first thought after I posted what I wrote. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #142

That is extremely sharp of your mom BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #155

In our day and age, it is irresponsible and even cruel to have a family that is larger than JDPriestly Oct 2014 #162

It was a priest that came up with mmonk Oct 2014 #193

I see utterly no conflict between the science of the big bang and of Einstein and the idea JDPriestly Oct 2014 #202

Exactly . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #187

Not Evangelicals. intheflow Oct 2014 #205

I actually thank them for my arrival at atheism bvf Oct 2014 #18

They equivocate a bit too much for my liking :) - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #31

The Jesuits kick ass! calimary Oct 2014 #97

" " " " " n/t MBS Oct 2014 #119

My best teachers in Catholic school were Jesuits. Cleita Oct 2014 #116

That's true, but unfortunately . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #188

A Jesuit came up lancer78 Oct 2014 #210

But yet their entire religion Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #263

Meanwhile repubs don't have the guts to say they believe in that or even global warming. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2014 #6

They're just coming to terms with the theory that the earth is a sphere... Blanks Oct 2014 #156

This guy better get a taster. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #7

Nah, they're plenty happy for the misdirection. bvf Oct 2014 #20

That swill is getting harder and harder for you to sell. stevenleser Oct 2014 #115

What do you mean? n/t bvf Oct 2014 #134

I'll ask again. bvf Oct 2014 #223

that is shortsighted drray23 Oct 2014 #160

I don't think so. bvf Oct 2014 #184

Why? This has been the official position on evolution for at least 60 years. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #194

This has been Catholic Doctrine for a long, long time. The current Pope has a science background. bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #8

Evolution taught in Science class HockeyMom Oct 2014 #11

1963 for me. The biology nun had two Masters degrees n/t eridani Oct 2014 #181

yes you are right. riversedge Oct 2014 #129

Pope Francis has a masters in chemistry Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #164

You already know the Fundies' answer to this: COLGATE4 Oct 2014 #9

A lesser-known fact about the KKK in its iteration in the 1920s and 30s was that KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #33

I thought of the "crazy God warrior lady"... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #73

Good lord.... really? Raster Oct 2014 #177

Those types are all over the place.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #211

I've always thought this ... there's some reason both have persisted for millenia. libdem4life Oct 2014 #10

Hinduism's creation stories blow every other religion's out of the water, imo. I don't KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #35

Agree . Also Nordic mythology lunasun Oct 2014 #58

I wrote a paper on the Hindu creation myths a long time ago Voice for Peace Oct 2014 #64

The Egyptian Book of the Dead was fascinating reading...I know, doesn't sound too trendy or cool,but libdem4life Oct 2014 #189

Kemetic creation is pretty interesting Scootaloo Oct 2014 #204

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic schools, and was taught these scientific theories Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #12

As was I etherealtruth Oct 2014 #24

I remember discussing the evolution of dinosaurs with a Bishop in 6th grade science fair. bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #29

:-) ! etherealtruth Oct 2014 #38

christian fundamentalists need all the slamming they can get. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #48

Without doubt etherealtruth Oct 2014 #52

Amen! calimary Oct 2014 #93

I went to a Catholic college and I had to have upaloopa Oct 2014 #80

Yep. Noticed that, too. calimary Oct 2014 #91

Yes, I also recommend a taster. : ) nt MBS Oct 2014 #117

Doing his best to keep his mythology relevant as the masses become more educated snooper2 Oct 2014 #13

The whole thing is a house of cards. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #75

I don't get it either, and every time I tell someone they don't get to "pick & choose" snooper2 Oct 2014 #78

Next you're gonna tell me you don't believe in Santa, The Tooth Fairy, or elves. lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #272

It is very good marketing. Religion plays to two strong human qualities -- Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #285

And the human capacity for self-delusion when none of the promises materialize lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #286

Exactly. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #287

God forbid the church lose its power. polichick Oct 2014 #161

For religion, the important thing should be that a Divine Being was involved with creation merrily Oct 2014 #14

Not a Catholic, but I was taught that Genesis was allegorical. riqster Oct 2014 #21

I think the Pope is generally respected throughout "Christendom"---except, of merrily Oct 2014 #32

I'm personally rooting for another Schism. n/t bvf Oct 2014 #37

I understand. merrily Oct 2014 #46

priorities rustbeltvoice Oct 2014 #124

Forgive me, but I don't take much politicians say at face value, including what they say about their merrily Oct 2014 #171

Yes, but... rustbeltvoice Oct 2014 #190

That was the Position William Jennings Bryan took at the Scope Monkey Trial in 1926 happyslug Oct 2014 #34

Not in the movie! (That's all I know of the Scopes Monkey Trial, but it's a wonderful film) merrily Oct 2014 #41

The Movie is hopelessly inaccurate happyslug Oct 2014 #149

It does appear, though, that Bryan was more literal about the Bible. merrily Oct 2014 #168

Yes, but as he said in his answers to Darrow's questions happyslug Oct 2014 #183

Plus, Rev. Schwartzback pointed out, "what is the point of early Genesis?" riqster Oct 2014 #42

Also, #2 Is Provable ProfessorGAC Oct 2014 #61

Yah hey, exactly! riqster Oct 2014 #70

Monotheism did not begin with the Hebrews. hifiguy Oct 2014 #114

There is indication that monotheism existed prior to the adoption of the Pagan Gods. happyslug Oct 2014 #167

Definitely bookmarking that for further reading! hifiguy Oct 2014 #173

Mendel (a Catholic who gets credit for the science of genetics) will be there to help them bridge KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #40

Fruit flies Mendel? merrily Oct 2014 #45

why yes, thank you. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #50

I'm pretty sure he sat behind me in tenth grade geometry class. merrily Oct 2014 #53

Hey, don't knock insects! F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #98

I didn't. merrily Oct 2014 #169

I was joking. F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #196

I love this guy. nt FourScore Oct 2014 #16

Oh snap shenmue Oct 2014 #17

Do Rightwing Evangelicals accept the Pope as an authority in such matters? Martin Eden Oct 2014 #19

Please see Reply 32. merrily Oct 2014 #39

Regardless of "respect" for the Pope (and I have my doubts about that) ... Martin Eden Oct 2014 #137

I agree, esp. as to the relatively near future. merrily Oct 2014 #170

You must be kidding. Some don't even concider Catholics christians. Talk about uneducated about demosincebirth Oct 2014 #96

You must have missed the text of my post Martin Eden Oct 2014 #131

Only when they agree with him jberryhill Oct 2014 #145

...and the gaps get smaller and smaller .......... whatthehey Oct 2014 #22

He is a jesuit Marrah_G Oct 2014 #23

im surprised our pope haters havent chimed in - go frankie belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #26

Their heads are exploding. demosincebirth Oct 2014 #92

theyre both here now and a new one belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #100

As are those who will defend anti gay and anti choice activists strongly and without reservation Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #133

I believe the haters are thinking the same thing those of us who tend to shrug over this pope do... Moonwalk Oct 2014 #113

Does he deserve a medal for phil89 Oct 2014 #95

I was taught this in Catholic school--early 60's. Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #118

I thought this was the long-standing position of the RCC ... Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #27

I hope this Pope has an excellent protective detail, given what befell KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #28

What about John Paul I? Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #121

Yeah, I forgot about that precedent also. Strange times in which to live, eh? - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #122

Catholic schools have always taught science and evolution mountain grammy Oct 2014 #30

After a healthy dose of bvf Oct 2014 #44

The Roman Catholic church has been to the left of American evangelicals for decades. n/t SpankMe Oct 2014 #36

That's not very difficult, sort of damning the RC church with faint praise :) - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #43

Except on LGBT rights and of course women's reproductive freedom, two big issues on which Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #62

Too many right-wing Catholics have been becoming Cathevangelicals. Rozlee Oct 2014 #71

I agree, and would add one more thing MBS Oct 2014 #135

Thank you! Rozlee Oct 2014 #206

Some Repubs claim ebola is airborne. SCVDem Oct 2014 #47

Holy Mother Church... HoosierCowboy Oct 2014 #49

Wow. Just wow. Avalux Oct 2014 #51

"... not a divine being..." Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #54

This is what the Catholic Church has said for many years. Isn't it? It is what I was taught as well, Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #55

they will be calling him the Anti-Christ in 3......2........1.......n/t pepperbear Oct 2014 #56

But God is “all-powerful,” so why not create the heavens and the Earth. begin_within Oct 2014 #57

mainstream theology does still believe that: it's long said that Creation MisterP Oct 2014 #148

The problem is that it contradicts exboyfil Oct 2014 #59

I knew right from the start Liberalynn Oct 2014 #60

Old news Recursion Oct 2014 #63

The re-broadcast of those positions is a very good thing. Paladin Oct 2014 #65

Agreed on that Recursion Oct 2014 #67

Good point, unfortunately.... (nt) Paladin Oct 2014 #68

"BOOM"..... Historic NY Oct 2014 #66

Nah. Mariana Oct 2014 #72

The Catholic Church has long taught that the LibDemAlways Oct 2014 #74

God Robert24 Oct 2014 #76

What about the Talking snake, Frank? nt ErikJ Oct 2014 #77

Or the "water into wine", or "raising the dead" MNBrewer Oct 2014 #89

Intelligent design, in fancy clothes, is still intelligent design...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #79

Intelligent design, in fancy clothes, is still intelligent design AlbertCat Oct 2014 #84

"universe from nothing" consensus? Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #128

Here's a whole book on it. Read up. AlbertCat Oct 2014 #163

A whole book indeed and a very interesting book at that. Starboard Tack Oct 2014 #244

Consensus..... general agreement AlbertCat Nov 2014 #245

Right! Now look up the definition of "nothing" Starboard Tack Nov 2014 #247

the definition of "nothing" AlbertCat Nov 2014 #248

Exactly! Thank you. Starboard Tack Nov 2014 #264

I went to Catholic School in the 80's and 90' and was always taught evolution. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #81

Yep.. the Bible is not some book of magic.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #82

So what so called science supports his teaching that gay people are 'inherently disordered'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #102

If you are talking about the Pope, Bluenorthwest.. I am not a Catholic Peacetrain Oct 2014 #166

This is a God (and Pope) I can believe in! cilla4progress Oct 2014 #83

And yet his priests are magicians, turning crackers into Jesus flesh. Arugula Latte Oct 2014 #85

Ha, posted that while I was writing mine. :-D -eom gcomeau Oct 2014 #90

"Now, let us all take communion..." gcomeau Oct 2014 #86

A very profound statement Zambero Oct 2014 #94

So what so called science supports his teaching that gay people are 'inherently disordered'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #99

yes the pope is responsible for ALL the births in africa - belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #101

I'm talking about the deaths that happen when people are told condoms are a sin Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #104

the catholic church cant stop people from using condoms, or having sex. people chose to do belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #112

Go read up on the issue, lives are at stake Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #127

The Righties® will hate the Pope as bad as they do President Obama. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #105

They already do. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #165

this Pope heaven05 Oct 2014 #106

Oh my (in George Takei voice). hifiguy Oct 2014 #108

So the Pope is doing a God rewrite to make him more amenable ballyhoo Oct 2014 #109

My Catholic school--upbringing taught evolution. As riversedge Oct 2014 #126

Then you might remember that the Catholic Church supports ballyhoo Oct 2014 #141

I hope he was calling out the fundies. Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #120

Mighty hard to see it as anything else. hifiguy Oct 2014 #152

The man is fearless. MBS Oct 2014 #123

This man needs a food taster. EEO Oct 2014 #125

And a mirror! n/t jen63 Oct 2014 #174

Come On God must know at least 1 card trick, perhaps some slight of hand? Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #130

Makes sense. Hell, it was Georges Lemaître who proposed the Big Bang theory LittleBlue Oct 2014 #139

Splitting The Baby? RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #143

There's never been any need to do so. The RCC has a long intellectual history... Hekate Oct 2014 #146

The Vatican Does Have an Observatory RadicalGeek Oct 2014 #150

yes they do. Raster Oct 2014 #179

So what so called science supports the teaching that gay people are 'inherently disordered'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #153

BNW, if you don't see the difference, there's no conversation to be had Hekate Oct 2014 #201

You did not even try to answer the question. Where is the science in his bigotry? Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #224

Bazinga! KamaAina Oct 2014 #144

Lol! BeanMusical Oct 2014 #151

Thanks, and welcome to DU! KamaAina Oct 2014 #154

The Big Bang Theory is just Catholic Theology made by a Catholic Priest happyslug Oct 2014 #172

I think that even Sheldon AnnieBW Oct 2014 #195

But his mom wouldn't KamaAina Oct 2014 #209

I believe in Big Bang, too. Well, Penny anyway. bulloney Oct 2014 #222

I don't know who Francis is worshiping... Orsino Oct 2014 #147

He is a Jesuit BlindTiresias Oct 2014 #158

The rector in my town when I was a kid was a Jesuit who trained as a physicist. ColesCountyDem Oct 2014 #157

---Pope better watch his ass. Republican will try to impeach him for blasphemy. Hoppy Oct 2014 #159

Holy crap, who is this guy!? Christians can believe in evolution? Pat will have some words on this! Rex Oct 2014 #180

Why is this a big deal? Benedict believed in evolution, so did John Paul II. beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #182

This is nothing really new . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #186

“God is not a divine being or a magician" quaker bill Oct 2014 #191

rofl...waiting for faux news to call him the anti christ SummerSnow Oct 2014 #192

The Pope is on the path of Atheism, good for him!!! Heather MC Oct 2014 #197

God is a concept vlyons Oct 2014 #203

Heaven is a truck Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #228

I hope to go to Thugs Mansion when I die JonLP24 Oct 2014 #239

I attended a boarding school ran by nuns. Beacool Oct 2014 #207

I did not know Catholics accepted evolution Beringia Oct 2014 #208

They use the same math and science books everyone uses. ucrdem Oct 2014 #217

After those first three words, it's a lot of melodrama, isn't it? n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #212

The majority of Mainstream churches see no conflict between science and belief kmlisle Oct 2014 #213

I like him. does more good than harm. the_sly_pig Oct 2014 #214

The funny thing is that I'm beginning to wonder about evolution. ucrdem Oct 2014 #215

A hunch... gcomeau Oct 2014 #231

I'm not so sure about that data. ucrdem Oct 2014 #236

OK, so... gcomeau Oct 2014 #237

Thanks, I enjoyed. However. ucrdem Oct 2014 #238

With *certainty*... no. gcomeau Oct 2014 #241

" I have a feeling that particular theory might be hitting retirement age soon" seems to be based on muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #243

"or The Preservation of Favoured Races" is Darwin's subtitle. Look it up. nt ucrdem Nov 2014 #250

Your claims about evolution are still baseless, then muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #251

Darwin, 1871: "The descent of man, and selection in relation to sex." 1st ed. Vol. 1. Link: ucrdem Nov 2014 #252

Darwin, 1871: "The descent of man, and selection in relation to sex." 1st ed. Vol. 2. Link: ucrdem Nov 2014 #253

Darwin, 1872: "The expression of the emotions in man and animals." Link: ucrdem Nov 2014 #254

What are those links meant to do, here? We're talking about evolution muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #255

Because he spelled out his whole racist theory in the 1871 & 1872 texts. ucrdem Nov 2014 #256

Sounds like you're a creationist, then muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #257

Sounds like you're not reading the posts you're responding to. nt ucrdem Nov 2014 #258

You don't think humans evolved from other animals muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #259

I think I've expressed myself pretty clearly already. ucrdem Nov 2014 #260

All you've said is that you think the theory of evolution will soon be shown to be wrong muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #262

I have it on good authority that Darwin only changed his underwear twice a week Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #273

"his wretched theory of evolution" ...it's a fucking FACT, dude. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #271

"in toto" means entire. Fact. nt ucrdem Nov 2014 #279

Again, the massive amounts of evidence- DNA, fossil, etc. points to only one answer. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #280

Sounds a bit like a religion, doesn't it? ucrdem Nov 2014 #290

No. It is the opposite of a religion, the opposite of dogma. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #291

Faith is a gift. ucrdem Nov 2014 #292

sigh. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #293

Think of it this way... Gloria Nov 2014 #282

Then why bother praying? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #216

Good for your digestion ucrdem Oct 2014 #218

I'm not the target market, so I'm not going to be doing either. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #219

All of the above I suppose, but there's also a short answer. ucrdem Oct 2014 #220

Which doesn't really address the nature of the intended recipient OF said prayers, or what the point Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #225

Several possibilities Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #235

What makes you think phil89 Nov 2014 #288

To us, it's evidence Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #295

Are we absolutely sure Pope Francis isn't going to peel a latex mask off his face... TeamPooka Oct 2014 #221

Hardly new JonLP24 Oct 2014 #232

This is pretty much my own position Prophet 451 Oct 2014 #233

Liberal progress is always good. Every little bit helps Zorra Nov 2014 #249

This is becoming hilarious eom Shankapotomus Nov 2014 #265

THEN WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE DAVID COPPERFIELD Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #270

He does not! lindysalsagal Nov 2014 #274

Jerry Garcia Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #275

OK, but this GOD, according to your church, seems to think women are inferior Gloria Nov 2014 #281