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eomer

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52. It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion.

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:50 PM

Apr 2012

So debunking the lie is worth doing. In fact debunking any lie about history is worth doing. And of course no one is forcing you to participate.

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Our founding fathers were not Christians. [View all] RKP5637 Apr 2012 OP

You can beat fundies over the head with this,.... lastlib Apr 2012 #1

Yep, all logic and truth fails with fundies ... best to just write them off as prehistoric. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #2

This is a zero sum game for many on both sides. Kaleva Apr 2012 #3

Yes, BOTH sides are equally impervious to evidence MNBrewer Apr 2012 #12

Yep Kaleva Apr 2012 #15

that's the impression i get from this thread. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #37

oh frickin' please. cali Apr 2012 #4

1797 Treaty of Tripoli hobbit709 Apr 2012 #9

Did you actually read the writings of Madison and John Adams JDPriestly Apr 2012 #17

Fundamentalism hadn't been invented when the forefathers signed the Constistuition. kwassa Apr 2012 #20

I have read Jefferson's correspondence with Adams on this issue JDPriestly Apr 2012 #35

Priestly invented soda water. kwassa Apr 2012 #63

From your link Major Nikon Apr 2012 #24

Actually, George Washington was quite religious and certainly Christian.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #26

George Washington never identified himself as a Christian Major Nikon Apr 2012 #28

You are trying to define yourself to victory, and that... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #30

You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead wish to debate what I didn't write Major Nikon Apr 2012 #31

the Creator vs. the Christians freefaller62 Apr 2012 #33

Many of the founding fathers were either deists or were very sympathetic to deism Major Nikon Apr 2012 #39

Ethan Allen for example flamingdem Apr 2012 #66

and yet hamilton insisted his wife should believe in God. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #38

Belief in god does not make one a Christian Major Nikon Apr 2012 #40

do you think the god he wanted her to believe in was something other than the christian god? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #41

Hamilton was married in 1780 Major Nikon Apr 2012 #43

all your "guesses" are predictated on your own faith, and must be taken on faith. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #44

Excuse me Major Nikon Apr 2012 #48

I think that's an overreaction. Maybe I was trying to be too clever in phrasing, but all I meant HiPointDem Apr 2012 #50

They were Deists underpants Apr 2012 #56

Jefferson was not a Christian in the usual meaning of the word. eomer Apr 2012 #25

in private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[2] "a sect by myself" (1819), HiPointDem Apr 2012 #42

That's why I said it the way I did. eomer Apr 2012 #45

what's the usual meaning of the word? in my world, "christian" refers to anyone from the fundie HiPointDem Apr 2012 #46

It's not a "stupid" distinction to those who push the meme. eomer Apr 2012 #47

But the faith of the fathers is irrelevant. What's relevant is their faith in separation of church HiPointDem Apr 2012 #49

It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion. eomer Apr 2012 #52

It's not worth debunking when it's an unwinnable pissing match that distracts from publicizing HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61

I think it is worthwhile to point this out to people who claim that Jefferson was a Christian... eomer Apr 2012 #68

You are defining a Christian as a follower of Christ. In that sense, many deists would be JDPriestly Apr 2012 #64

Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine, Monroe, Madison, Adams, Hamilton.... any questions? underpants Apr 2012 #57

Five founders who were skeptical of organized Christianity and couldn't be elected today! yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2012 #5

How does one break the faith argument? longship Apr 2012 #6

This comes to mind, "The God Spot," but I certainly doubt it will bring RKP5637 Apr 2012 #10

Not sure of the neurology on that longship Apr 2012 #11

actually, there is, it's called the God Nodule and it's a specific cerebral locus. nebenaube Apr 2012 #59

Okay. longship Apr 2012 #60

Please Define "Fundamentalist" freefaller62 Apr 2012 #34

Now you are making a strictly rhetorical argument longship Apr 2012 #51

Religion vs. Governmental Philosophy freefaller62 Apr 2012 #53

That is the crux of the problem longship Apr 2012 #62

The prohibition against murder and theft is not unique to the Christian and Jewish religions. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #65

Well the Bill of Rights/parts of constitution were borrowed from Iroquois confederacy - not Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2012 #7

No, they weren't Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #8

It's both from common law but influenced by the Iroquois form of government as JDPriestly Apr 2012 #18

No, it wasn't Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #19

That's a feel-good popular myth with no factual basis. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #13

No use trying to reason with religious people. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #14

Yep, it's just a lost cause. Also, "if" they had divine knowledge with a capital T, many of RKP5637 Apr 2012 #16

Most forms of organized religion require one to abandon reason Major Nikon Apr 2012 #29

Thank You For Posting This. Left Coast2020 Apr 2012 #21

Thank you! I'm pleased you're finding it helpful! RKP5637 Apr 2012 #22

Why does it sadden you? Daniel537 Apr 2012 #54

And even if they were they were not in favor of having an official national church. They were for jwirr Apr 2012 #23

Yes, they were Christians, but the problem with this argument from Fundies is.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #27

No, they weren't Christians Major Nikon Apr 2012 #32

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36

Jefferson and Adams did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Read their correspondence. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #67

Well, Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves and enjoyed raping the female ones. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #55

Many were christians TNLib Apr 2012 #58