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Zalatix

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108. You did bring up the banks. You "asked" me this, do you remember?

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 07:56 PM

Apr 2012

Who pays the banks holding the debt? The government?

What in God's name inspired you to ask that question after I said Ireland should do what Iceland did?

If you knew what Iceland did, you would have already known in advance what my answer was to your question. There was absolutely no rational reason for you to ask "Who pays the banks holding the debt? The government?" except if you were trying to imply something... or unless you don't know what Iceland did.

Again... which is it?

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Any DUers living in Ireland? Is this story true? [View all] Zalatix Apr 2012 OP

I am not an expert but I took it to mean that you got fifty euro in ADDITION to your welfare money MADem Apr 2012 #1

And employers pay $50 a week for this labor. Zalatix Apr 2012 #3

Well, when wages go down, prices do, too. MADem Apr 2012 #10

Really pushing that "FDR" thing, there. This kind of scheme actually *encourages* businesses *not* HiPointDem Apr 2012 #16

You keep snarking at me--but you haven't told me what Ireland should do. MADem Apr 2012 #40

I was in Italy a few years ago HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #28

I lived there for many years in/around the Bush 1-Clinton era. MADem Apr 2012 #54

That's a fairy tale. Prices never go down as fast as wages do. Zalatix Apr 2012 #29

Did I say they kept pace with one another? MADem Apr 2012 #32

That would be no worse than putting them to work for $50 a week Zalatix Apr 2012 #39

Not if they have to change out staff every nine months--and this is a TWO YEAR program. MADem Apr 2012 #44

I told you already. They should do what Iceland did. And I did not call you an asshole so stop lying Zalatix Apr 2012 #63

And how will forgiving mortgage debt solve the problem? Elaborate. MADem Apr 2012 #73

What?! Iceland did not pay the banks holding the debts! Zalatix Apr 2012 #74

It didn't help unemployment--and that's what the subject matter is in this thread, in case you are MADem Apr 2012 #75

Sigh. If Ireland hadn't wasted that money on bank bailouts they could have fixed unemployment Zalatix Apr 2012 #76

But....but....but....the problem isn't public jobs--it's those EVIL corporations, hiring at slave MADem Apr 2012 #81

My arguments have not changed. Quit making shit up. Zalatix Apr 2012 #89

You are unclear as to the meaning of a question mark? Apparently, you are. MADem Apr 2012 #91

Oh I saw your question mark. I also know what a RHETORICAL question is. Zalatix Apr 2012 #96

There you go with that "implied" shit again. I do not "imply." I do not accuse. I do not suggest. MADem Apr 2012 #99

Oh, really? Then why did you even bring up the government bailing out the banks? Zalatix Apr 2012 #105

Go back--I didn't bring up the banks at all--I asked a question after YOU brought up the banks. MADem Apr 2012 #106

You did bring up the banks. You "asked" me this, do you remember? Zalatix Apr 2012 #108

No -- you did. You said--rather self-importantly, too MADem Apr 2012 #110

You're shooting yourself in the foot. Zalatix Apr 2012 #112

Yes--AFTER that. You brought them up. I simply asked AFTER you brought them up in the first place. MADem Apr 2012 #115

I'm not moving the goal posts. The same question for the 1001th time. Zalatix Apr 2012 #116

Wait a minute--you said you didn't bring up banks, and now you are demanding I respond to questions MADem Apr 2012 #118

YOU ACCUSED ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #119

I accused you of NOTHING. I asked you questions. That's not accusing. And the only reason I asked MADem Apr 2012 #122

Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #125

Repetition does not make an inaccurate comment accurate. MADem Apr 2012 #126

Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #128

No, I did not. MADem Apr 2012 #131

You have refuted nothing. You falsely accused me with your so-called "question". Zalatix Apr 2012 #132

No--not accurate. Not a word. Sorry. You can keep on all night if you'd like. MADem Apr 2012 #133

You made an accusation and now you're scared to own up to it. Zalatix Apr 2012 #134

Incorrect. Not scared. Keep trying if it makes you happy. Keep waiting, too! MADem Apr 2012 #135

I can and will go on forever. You did accuse me. You are running away from what you said. Zalatix Apr 2012 #136

I am right here and you're still wrong! MADem Apr 2012 #137

Feel free to still be here. That way I can keep outing you as a liar. Zalatix Apr 2012 #138

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Was your account hacked? Did someone else write this under your login? Zalatix Apr 2012 #140

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Okay so you admit you lied about me. Gotcha. Zalatix Apr 2012 #142

Untrue. MADem Apr 2012 #143

You are convicted by your own words. You wrote this. Zalatix Apr 2012 #144

No, you're the one convicting yourself--doing a great job, too! MADem Apr 2012 #145

You are the only person who believes that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #146

Wrong, again. Keep it up, though--this is a great record of your behavior for future reference. nt MADem Apr 2012 #147

You're still the only one who believes that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #148

Incorrect. nt MADem Apr 2012 #149

Who else signs onto your brand of irrational beliefs? Zalatix Apr 2012 #150

You have convinced us all that you have an intimate understanding of that subject. MADem Apr 2012 #151

Who's "all"? You've got absolutely nothing. Bye! Zalatix Apr 2012 #152

By bailing out the banks, what started as a financial crisis became a sovereign debt crisis and was HiPointDem Apr 2012 #85

My point exactly. Ireland should NOT have done that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #90

I read a while back they were pushing that here also Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #62

Colleges have been doing that for about 20 years or so, some of them. MADem Apr 2012 #67

I helped train student nurses Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #77

I don't disagree with anything you have said. MADem Apr 2012 #79

It means that taxpayers subsidize employers, who get at least 30 hours of work for the equivalent HiPointDem Apr 2012 #5

Well, the WPA was a "make work" scheme, too, and people called FDR a genius. MADem Apr 2012 #7

WPA did useful work and paid a living wage. It was a public works program, not a cheap labor HiPointDem Apr 2012 #13

Ding ding ding. Livable wages, not undercutting wages Zalatix Apr 2012 #30

It would be nice if it were true, but it isn't true. WPA paid borderline wages. MADem Apr 2012 #35

You seem to be not understanding that they are getting both their welfare check and this stipend. MADem Apr 2012 #33

I understand quite well that they're getting their UNEMPLOYMENT benefit and this "stipend". HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36

And the point you are "avoiding" is that not all the jobs are "corporate." MADem Apr 2012 #46

Bullshit. I have relatives who benefitted from both WPA and CCC. MADem Apr 2012 #34

No brains, no talent. Wow. tsuki Apr 2012 #18

And medical facilities HiPointDem Apr 2012 #21

If you actually think every person who built that thing worked in the building trades for a living, MADem Apr 2012 #47

How low can you go? Nice "deliberate" misinterpretation, there. MADem Apr 2012 #37

not using their brains or educational talents? Wow! Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #23

You are deliberately twisting my remarks, and that is a cheap shot on your part. MADem Apr 2012 #38

Once again you just can't take responsibility for the things you've said. Zalatix Apr 2012 #129

Wow, you really are something! MADem Apr 2012 #130

Translation: Zanzoobar Apr 2012 #2

That's not what I am hearing at all. Rather ugly commentary, that. nt MADem Apr 2012 #8

Wow. Awesomely hateful responses. Interesting. Must be that "working class" thing. saras Apr 2012 #4

No they aren't. They are saying if you WANT to work, to gain experience in a shitty economy with MADem Apr 2012 #11

In an economy with high unemployment, doing an unpaid or low-paid internship still leaves you HiPointDem Apr 2012 #15

This is a NINE MONTH INTERNSHIP. A year, tops. MADem Apr 2012 #41

This is not what FDR did, not at all, and repeating that mendacity will not make it more Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #24

No, it's more like what Mike Dukakis did. MADem Apr 2012 #50

Well, that sounds okay, then. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #27

It reminds me of the Georgia Works program and Bridge to Work in the American Jobs Act. nt Liquorice Apr 2012 #6

Welfare to Work in MA, too. MADem Apr 2012 #9

A lot of college students in the US Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #12

You're the second person who compared this program to FDR's programs. It must be the new HiPointDem Apr 2012 #14

They got very little for it Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #17

As a person with a relative in a WPA job and a CCC camp in our neck of the woods, I beg to differ. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #19

Your interlocutors are certainly misrepresenting the wage structure of the New Deal programs alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #22

I have relatives who worked in those programs. MADem Apr 2012 #55

$25 was the average rent for a HOUSE in 1937. You could rent a flat for considerably less. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #60

I know what my relatives were paying for rent--it's in the census. MADem Apr 2012 #69

Unlike yourself, I've linked evidence to support my claims. Not to mention that the rent your HiPointDem Apr 2012 #78

I've provided links that you've ignored, and of COURSE you won't be responding to me further! MADem Apr 2012 #80

"23 Skidoo" long precedes the New Deal as an expression alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #100

23.80, actually--the average paycheck under the program. nt MADem Apr 2012 #101

23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #102

23.80 was the term--I asked my uncle, who is nearing a hundred. MADem Apr 2012 #103

Which has zero to do with 23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #104

It wasn't a deflection, it was a correction. WTF is WRONG with you? MADem Apr 2012 #107

OK there, 23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #111

It's not "ignorance of the era"--I fucking MISSPOKE. MADem Apr 2012 #113

Tsk tsk alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #121

Temper? Oh no--I'm simply plainspoken. Tick tock, now--waiting on your answers to all those MADem Apr 2012 #123

G'luck with your plainspoken tantrums alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #124

Your baiting and goading reflects rather poorly on you. MADem Apr 2012 #127

And go on and figure out what nineteen bucks is worth in todays dollars--or twenty three bucks...as MADem Apr 2012 #53

It's exactly what Mike Dukakis did in MA, sorry to tell you. MADem Apr 2012 #48

It is utterly dissimilar to FDR era work programs, which were all public works and paid Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #25

You do realize this scheme includes "public" and volunteer jobs? MADem Apr 2012 #49

The Irish are still immigrating like crazy to the United States, unlilke most of Europe. Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #20

Ireland is about the size of South Carolina.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #31

Yes, and people are still immigrating in droves to places like Utica, New York. Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #52

Ireland does have the highest birth rate in the EU.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #56

fertility rate in ireland is 2.07 live births per woman. that's replacement rate. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #57

Over 1,000 people a week are leaving Ireland Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #64

Yes, the Irish have been leaving Ireland for a long time.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #65

Are any of them "habitual residents" from other EU nations, returning home until the job situation MADem Apr 2012 #120

Wow. In the US that would be a Republican/Third Way neoliberal dream come true. Zorra Apr 2012 #26

Colleges do it now, all the time. Five year plans are becoming increasingly common. MADem Apr 2012 #42

"...they are being tainted by more unprincipled employers taking advantage." Cerridwen Apr 2012 #43

Those are EXCELLENT links with important facts in them. MADem Apr 2012 #92

So this is a voluntary internship with nominal pay. Sounds like most internships I know aikoaiko Apr 2012 #45

Looking at a few other articles on that site I can't take anything they say seriously. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #51

Response wiki for multiple posts. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #58

As a "certain poster" has failed to answer my question, which I have asked, POLITELY, more than once MADem Apr 2012 #68

Face it, HiPointDem nailed it right to the wall. Zalatix Apr 2012 #114

Gee--you and he agree on those banks you brought up, but you don't agree on FDR--even if you don't MADem Apr 2012 #117

This sounds like a lot of internships. I think Ireland has been so very lucky for a long time riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #59

No. Ireland has traditionally been a low-wage, high-unemployment country by virtue of its HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61

Traditionally and historically oppressed but recently, yes they definitely had some great years riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #70

Ireland's been lucky? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #66

Yes, yes I know but as an actual Irishwoman I think that recently they have had a good run riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #71

... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #72

Yup, in the light of the day (and more sober! Heh) of course that makes sense riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #82

And of course, the unspoken bit of business here is that the people who have lost their jobs, many MADem Apr 2012 #83

We're getting into some serious WTF territory here.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #86

Those non-Irish were last hired/first fired. MADem Apr 2012 #87

Yep, clearly they have some Hollingsworth Hounds... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #88

Apparently, they've already gone through the "attempts to abuse the system" and they've taken steps MADem Apr 2012 #93

Evidently the Irish system has a bug.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #94

I don't think Hollingsworth will win this one, when all is said and done. MADem Apr 2012 #95

I hope things turn around.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #97

I hope not. I think we've all suffered enough! nt MADem Apr 2012 #98

Self-hating Irishman KamaAina Apr 2012 #84

People who cannot properly use apostrophes are not to be taken seriously. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #109