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In the discussion thread: Any DUers living in Ireland? Is this story true? [View all]

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:45 PM

MADem (85,974 posts)

92. Those are EXCELLENT links with important facts in them.

From your second offering:

Employers have to pay nothing to the interns -- who get less than €2 from the State for up to 40 hours work a week, on top of dole payments.

... measures have since been introduced to protect the scheme from abuse, including "random site visits" to workplaces.

Employers have to guarantee that a placement will not include unsupervised work, and that employees will gain significant experience. They also have to prove they would need to take on a new recruit if they did not hire the intern.

In the six weeks since its launch, 1,978 placements have been advertised on the JobBridge website and 415 people have begun internships.

Gee, it's job training! Not slave labor! Not a substitute for hiring someone! And the government pays the entire freight, it's not "corporations paying slave wages" either. And, of course--it's VOLUNTARY.

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Any DUers living in Ireland? Is this story true? [View all]	Zalatix	Apr 2012	OP
I am not an expert but I took it to mean that you got fifty euro in ADDITION to your welfare money	MADem	Apr 2012	#1
And employers pay $50 a week for this labor.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#3
Well, when wages go down, prices do, too.	MADem	Apr 2012	#10
Really pushing that "FDR" thing, there. This kind of scheme actually encourages businesses not	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#16
You keep snarking at me--but you haven't told me what Ireland should do.	MADem	Apr 2012	#40
I was in Italy a few years ago	HooptieWagon	Apr 2012	#28
I lived there for many years in/around the Bush 1-Clinton era.	MADem	Apr 2012	#54
That's a fairy tale. Prices never go down as fast as wages do.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#29
Did I say they kept pace with one another?	MADem	Apr 2012	#32
That would be no worse than putting them to work for $50 a week	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#39
Not if they have to change out staff every nine months--and this is a TWO YEAR program.	MADem	Apr 2012	#44
I told you already. They should do what Iceland did. And I did not call you an asshole so stop lying	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#63
And how will forgiving mortgage debt solve the problem? Elaborate.	MADem	Apr 2012	#73
What?! Iceland did not pay the banks holding the debts!	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#74
It didn't help unemployment--and that's what the subject matter is in this thread, in case you are	MADem	Apr 2012	#75
Sigh. If Ireland hadn't wasted that money on bank bailouts they could have fixed unemployment	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#76
But....but....but....the problem isn't public jobs--it's those EVIL corporations, hiring at slave	MADem	Apr 2012	#81
My arguments have not changed. Quit making shit up.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#89
You are unclear as to the meaning of a question mark? Apparently, you are.	MADem	Apr 2012	#91
Oh I saw your question mark. I also know what a RHETORICAL question is.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#96
There you go with that "implied" shit again. I do not "imply." I do not accuse. I do not suggest.	MADem	Apr 2012	#99
Oh, really? Then why did you even bring up the government bailing out the banks?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#105
Go back--I didn't bring up the banks at all--I asked a question after YOU brought up the banks.	MADem	Apr 2012	#106
You did bring up the banks. You "asked" me this, do you remember?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#108
No -- you did. You said--rather self-importantly, too	MADem	Apr 2012	#110
You're shooting yourself in the foot.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#112
Yes--AFTER that. You brought them up. I simply asked AFTER you brought them up in the first place.	MADem	Apr 2012	#115
I'm not moving the goal posts. The same question for the 1001th time.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#116
Wait a minute--you said you didn't bring up banks, and now you are demanding I respond to questions	MADem	Apr 2012	#118
YOU ACCUSED ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#119
I accused you of NOTHING. I asked you questions. That's not accusing. And the only reason I asked	MADem	Apr 2012	#122
Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#125
Repetition does not make an inaccurate comment accurate.	MADem	Apr 2012	#126
Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#128
No, I did not.	MADem	Apr 2012	#131
You have refuted nothing. You falsely accused me with your so-called "question".	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#132
No--not accurate. Not a word. Sorry. You can keep on all night if you'd like.	MADem	Apr 2012	#133
You made an accusation and now you're scared to own up to it.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#134
Incorrect. Not scared. Keep trying if it makes you happy. Keep waiting, too!	MADem	Apr 2012	#135
I can and will go on forever. You did accuse me. You are running away from what you said.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#136
I am right here and you're still wrong!	MADem	Apr 2012	#137
Feel free to still be here. That way I can keep outing you as a liar.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#138
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Was your account hacked? Did someone else write this under your login?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#140
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Okay so you admit you lied about me. Gotcha.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#142
Untrue.	MADem	Apr 2012	#143
You are convicted by your own words. You wrote this.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#144
No, you're the one convicting yourself--doing a great job, too!	MADem	Apr 2012	#145
You are the only person who believes that.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#146
Wrong, again. Keep it up, though--this is a great record of your behavior for future reference. nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#147
You're still the only one who believes that.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#148
Incorrect. nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#149
Who else signs onto your brand of irrational beliefs?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#150
You have convinced us all that you have an intimate understanding of that subject.	MADem	Apr 2012	#151
Who's "all"? You've got absolutely nothing. Bye!	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#152
By bailing out the banks, what started as a financial crisis became a sovereign debt crisis and was	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#85
My point exactly. Ireland should NOT have done that.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#90
I read a while back they were pushing that here also	Mojorabbit	Apr 2012	#62
Colleges have been doing that for about 20 years or so, some of them.	MADem	Apr 2012	#67
I helped train student nurses	Mojorabbit	Apr 2012	#77
I don't disagree with anything you have said.	MADem	Apr 2012	#79
It means that taxpayers subsidize employers, who get at least 30 hours of work for the equivalent	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#5
Well, the WPA was a "make work" scheme, too, and people called FDR a genius.	MADem	Apr 2012	#7
WPA did useful work and paid a living wage. It was a public works program, not a cheap labor	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#13
Ding ding ding. Livable wages, not undercutting wages	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#30
It would be nice if it were true, but it isn't true. WPA paid borderline wages.	MADem	Apr 2012	#35
You seem to be not understanding that they are getting both their welfare check and this stipend.	MADem	Apr 2012	#33
I understand quite well that they're getting their UNEMPLOYMENT benefit and this "stipend".	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#36
And the point you are "avoiding" is that not all the jobs are "corporate."	MADem	Apr 2012	#46
Bullshit. I have relatives who benefitted from both WPA and CCC.	MADem	Apr 2012	#34
No brains, no talent. Wow.	tsuki	Apr 2012	#18
And medical facilities	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#21
If you actually think every person who built that thing worked in the building trades for a living,	MADem	Apr 2012	#47
How low can you go? Nice "deliberate" misinterpretation, there.	MADem	Apr 2012	#37
not using their brains or educational talents? Wow!	Bluenorthwest	Apr 2012	#23
You are deliberately twisting my remarks, and that is a cheap shot on your part.	MADem	Apr 2012	#38
Once again you just can't take responsibility for the things you've said.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#129
Wow, you really are something!	MADem	Apr 2012	#130
Translation:	Zanzoobar	Apr 2012	#2
That's not what I am hearing at all. Rather ugly commentary, that. nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#8
Wow. Awesomely hateful responses. Interesting. Must be that "working class" thing.	saras	Apr 2012	#4
No they aren't. They are saying if you WANT to work, to gain experience in a shitty economy with	MADem	Apr 2012	#11
In an economy with high unemployment, doing an unpaid or low-paid internship still leaves you	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#15
This is a NINE MONTH INTERNSHIP. A year, tops.	MADem	Apr 2012	#41
This is not what FDR did, not at all, and repeating that mendacity will not make it more	Bluenorthwest	Apr 2012	#24
No, it's more like what Mike Dukakis did.	MADem	Apr 2012	#50
Well, that sounds okay, then. nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2012	#27
It reminds me of the Georgia Works program and Bridge to Work in the American Jobs Act. nt	Liquorice	Apr 2012	#6
Welfare to Work in MA, too.	MADem	Apr 2012	#9
A lot of college students in the US	Yo_Mama	Apr 2012	#12
You're the second person who compared this program to FDR's programs. It must be the new	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#14
They got very little for it	Yo_Mama	Apr 2012	#17
As a person with a relative in a WPA job and a CCC camp in our neck of the woods, I beg to differ.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#19
Your interlocutors are certainly misrepresenting the wage structure of the New Deal programs	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#22
I have relatives who worked in those programs.	MADem	Apr 2012	#55
$25 was the average rent for a HOUSE in 1937. You could rent a flat for considerably less.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#60
I know what my relatives were paying for rent--it's in the census.	MADem	Apr 2012	#69
Unlike yourself, I've linked evidence to support my claims. Not to mention that the rent your	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#78
I've provided links that you've ignored, and of COURSE you won't be responding to me further!	MADem	Apr 2012	#80
"23 Skidoo" long precedes the New Deal as an expression	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#100
23.80, actually--the average paycheck under the program. nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#101
23 Skidoo	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#102
23.80 was the term--I asked my uncle, who is nearing a hundred.	MADem	Apr 2012	#103
Which has zero to do with 23 Skidoo	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#104
It wasn't a deflection, it was a correction. WTF is WRONG with you?	MADem	Apr 2012	#107
OK there, 23 Skidoo	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#111
It's not "ignorance of the era"--I fucking MISSPOKE.	MADem	Apr 2012	#113
Tsk tsk	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#121
Temper? Oh no--I'm simply plainspoken. Tick tock, now--waiting on your answers to all those	MADem	Apr 2012	#123
G'luck with your plainspoken tantrums	alcibiades_mystery	Apr 2012	#124
Your baiting and goading reflects rather poorly on you.	MADem	Apr 2012	#127
And go on and figure out what nineteen bucks is worth in todays dollars--or twenty three bucks...as	MADem	Apr 2012	#53
It's exactly what Mike Dukakis did in MA, sorry to tell you.	MADem	Apr 2012	#48
It is utterly dissimilar to FDR era work programs, which were all public works and paid	Bluenorthwest	Apr 2012	#25
You do realize this scheme includes "public" and volunteer jobs?	MADem	Apr 2012	#49
The Irish are still immigrating like crazy to the United States, unlilke most of Europe.	Drahthaardogs	Apr 2012	#20
Ireland is about the size of South Carolina..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#31
Yes, and people are still immigrating in droves to places like Utica, New York.	Drahthaardogs	Apr 2012	#52
Ireland does have the highest birth rate in the EU..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#56
fertility rate in ireland is 2.07 live births per woman. that's replacement rate.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#57
Over 1,000 people a week are leaving Ireland	Drahthaardogs	Apr 2012	#64
Yes, the Irish have been leaving Ireland for a long time..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#65
Are any of them "habitual residents" from other EU nations, returning home until the job situation	MADem	Apr 2012	#120
Wow. In the US that would be a Republican/Third Way neoliberal dream come true.	Zorra	Apr 2012	#26
Colleges do it now, all the time. Five year plans are becoming increasingly common.	MADem	Apr 2012	#42
"...they are being tainted by more unprincipled employers taking advantage."	Cerridwen	Apr 2012	#43
Those are EXCELLENT links with important facts in them.	MADem	Apr 2012	#92
So this is a voluntary internship with nominal pay. Sounds like most internships I know	aikoaiko	Apr 2012	#45
Looking at a few other articles on that site I can't take anything they say seriously. (nt)	Posteritatis	Apr 2012	#51
Response wiki for multiple posts.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#58
As a "certain poster" has failed to answer my question, which I have asked, POLITELY, more than once	MADem	Apr 2012	#68
Face it, HiPointDem nailed it right to the wall.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#114
Gee--you and he agree on those banks you brought up, but you don't agree on FDR--even if you don't	MADem	Apr 2012	#117
This sounds like a lot of internships. I think Ireland has been so very lucky for a long time	riderinthestorm	Apr 2012	#59
No. Ireland has traditionally been a low-wage, high-unemployment country by virtue of its	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#61
Traditionally and historically oppressed but recently, yes they definitely had some great years	riderinthestorm	Apr 2012	#70
Ireland's been lucky?	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#66
Yes, yes I know but as an actual Irishwoman I think that recently they have had a good run	riderinthestorm	Apr 2012	#71
...	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#72
Yup, in the light of the day (and more sober! Heh) of course that makes sense	riderinthestorm	Apr 2012	#82
And of course, the unspoken bit of business here is that the people who have lost their jobs, many	MADem	Apr 2012	#83
We're getting into some serious WTF territory here..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#86
Those non-Irish were last hired/first fired.	MADem	Apr 2012	#87
Yep, clearly they have some Hollingsworth Hounds...	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#88
Apparently, they've already gone through the "attempts to abuse the system" and they've taken steps	MADem	Apr 2012	#93
Evidently the Irish system has a bug..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#94
I don't think Hollingsworth will win this one, when all is said and done.	MADem	Apr 2012	#95
I hope things turn around..	Fumesucker	Apr 2012	#97
I hope not. I think we've all suffered enough! nt	MADem	Apr 2012	#98
Self-hating Irishman	KamaAina	Apr 2012	#84
People who cannot properly use apostrophes are not to be taken seriously. nt	Codeine	Apr 2012	#109

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