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In reply to the discussion: Our founding fathers were not Christians. [View all]Major Nikon
(36,814 posts)29. Most forms of organized religion require one to abandon reason
In the case of Christianity, this is even more so than most.
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Yep, all logic and truth fails with fundies ... best to just write them off as prehistoric. n/t
RKP5637
Apr 2012
#2
Fundamentalism hadn't been invented when the forefathers signed the Constistuition.
kwassa
Apr 2012
#20
You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead wish to debate what I didn't write
Major Nikon
Apr 2012
#31
Many of the founding fathers were either deists or were very sympathetic to deism
Major Nikon
Apr 2012
#39
do you think the god he wanted her to believe in was something other than the christian god?
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#41
all your "guesses" are predictated on your own faith, and must be taken on faith.
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#44
I think that's an overreaction. Maybe I was trying to be too clever in phrasing, but all I meant
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#50
in private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[2] "a sect by myself" (1819),
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#42
what's the usual meaning of the word? in my world, "christian" refers to anyone from the fundie
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#46
But the faith of the fathers is irrelevant. What's relevant is their faith in separation of church
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#49
It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion.
eomer
Apr 2012
#52
It's not worth debunking when it's an unwinnable pissing match that distracts from publicizing
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#61
I think it is worthwhile to point this out to people who claim that Jefferson was a Christian...
eomer
Apr 2012
#68
You are defining a Christian as a follower of Christ. In that sense, many deists would be
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#64
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine, Monroe, Madison, Adams, Hamilton.... any questions?
underpants
Apr 2012
#57
Five founders who were skeptical of organized Christianity and couldn't be elected today!
yortsed snacilbuper
Apr 2012
#5
actually, there is, it's called the God Nodule and it's a specific cerebral locus.
nebenaube
Apr 2012
#59
The prohibition against murder and theft is not unique to the Christian and Jewish religions.
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#65
Well the Bill of Rights/parts of constitution were borrowed from Iroquois confederacy - not
Kashkakat v.2.0
Apr 2012
#7
It's both from common law but influenced by the Iroquois form of government as
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#18
Yep, it's just a lost cause. Also, "if" they had divine knowledge with a capital T, many of
RKP5637
Apr 2012
#16
And even if they were they were not in favor of having an official national church. They were for
jwirr
Apr 2012
#23
Yes, they were Christians, but the problem with this argument from Fundies is....
Moonwalk
Apr 2012
#27
Jefferson and Adams did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Read their correspondence.
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#67