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Major Nikon

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29. Most forms of organized religion require one to abandon reason
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:41 PM
Apr 2012

In the case of Christianity, this is even more so than most.

You can beat fundies over the head with this,.... lastlib Apr 2012 #1
Yep, all logic and truth fails with fundies ... best to just write them off as prehistoric. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2012 #2
This is a zero sum game for many on both sides. Kaleva Apr 2012 #3
Yes, BOTH sides are equally impervious to evidence MNBrewer Apr 2012 #12
Yep Kaleva Apr 2012 #15
that's the impression i get from this thread. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #37
oh frickin' please. cali Apr 2012 #4
1797 Treaty of Tripoli hobbit709 Apr 2012 #9
Did you actually read the writings of Madison and John Adams JDPriestly Apr 2012 #17
Fundamentalism hadn't been invented when the forefathers signed the Constistuition. kwassa Apr 2012 #20
I have read Jefferson's correspondence with Adams on this issue JDPriestly Apr 2012 #35
Priestly invented soda water. kwassa Apr 2012 #63
From your link Major Nikon Apr 2012 #24
Actually, George Washington was quite religious and certainly Christian.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #26
George Washington never identified himself as a Christian Major Nikon Apr 2012 #28
You are trying to define yourself to victory, and that... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #30
You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead wish to debate what I didn't write Major Nikon Apr 2012 #31
the Creator vs. the Christians freefaller62 Apr 2012 #33
Many of the founding fathers were either deists or were very sympathetic to deism Major Nikon Apr 2012 #39
Ethan Allen for example flamingdem Apr 2012 #66
and yet hamilton insisted his wife should believe in God. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #38
Belief in god does not make one a Christian Major Nikon Apr 2012 #40
do you think the god he wanted her to believe in was something other than the christian god? HiPointDem Apr 2012 #41
Hamilton was married in 1780 Major Nikon Apr 2012 #43
all your "guesses" are predictated on your own faith, and must be taken on faith. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #44
Excuse me Major Nikon Apr 2012 #48
I think that's an overreaction. Maybe I was trying to be too clever in phrasing, but all I meant HiPointDem Apr 2012 #50
They were Deists underpants Apr 2012 #56
Jefferson was not a Christian in the usual meaning of the word. eomer Apr 2012 #25
in private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[2] "a sect by myself" (1819), HiPointDem Apr 2012 #42
That's why I said it the way I did. eomer Apr 2012 #45
what's the usual meaning of the word? in my world, "christian" refers to anyone from the fundie HiPointDem Apr 2012 #46
It's not a "stupid" distinction to those who push the meme. eomer Apr 2012 #47
But the faith of the fathers is irrelevant. What's relevant is their faith in separation of church HiPointDem Apr 2012 #49
It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion. eomer Apr 2012 #52
It's not worth debunking when it's an unwinnable pissing match that distracts from publicizing HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61
I think it is worthwhile to point this out to people who claim that Jefferson was a Christian... eomer Apr 2012 #68
You are defining a Christian as a follower of Christ. In that sense, many deists would be JDPriestly Apr 2012 #64
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine, Monroe, Madison, Adams, Hamilton.... any questions? underpants Apr 2012 #57
Five founders who were skeptical of organized Christianity and couldn't be elected today! yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2012 #5
How does one break the faith argument? longship Apr 2012 #6
This comes to mind, "The God Spot," but I certainly doubt it will bring RKP5637 Apr 2012 #10
Not sure of the neurology on that longship Apr 2012 #11
actually, there is, it's called the God Nodule and it's a specific cerebral locus. nebenaube Apr 2012 #59
Okay. longship Apr 2012 #60
Please Define "Fundamentalist" freefaller62 Apr 2012 #34
Now you are making a strictly rhetorical argument longship Apr 2012 #51
Religion vs. Governmental Philosophy freefaller62 Apr 2012 #53
That is the crux of the problem longship Apr 2012 #62
The prohibition against murder and theft is not unique to the Christian and Jewish religions. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #65
Well the Bill of Rights/parts of constitution were borrowed from Iroquois confederacy - not Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2012 #7
No, they weren't Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #8
It's both from common law but influenced by the Iroquois form of government as JDPriestly Apr 2012 #18
No, it wasn't Spider Jerusalem Apr 2012 #19
That's a feel-good popular myth with no factual basis. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #13
No use trying to reason with religious people. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #14
Yep, it's just a lost cause. Also, "if" they had divine knowledge with a capital T, many of RKP5637 Apr 2012 #16
Most forms of organized religion require one to abandon reason Major Nikon Apr 2012 #29
Thank You For Posting This. Left Coast2020 Apr 2012 #21
Thank you! I'm pleased you're finding it helpful! RKP5637 Apr 2012 #22
Why does it sadden you? Daniel537 Apr 2012 #54
And even if they were they were not in favor of having an official national church. They were for jwirr Apr 2012 #23
Yes, they were Christians, but the problem with this argument from Fundies is.... Moonwalk Apr 2012 #27
No, they weren't Christians Major Nikon Apr 2012 #32
+1 HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36
Jefferson and Adams did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Read their correspondence. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #67
Well, Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves and enjoyed raping the female ones. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #55
Many were christians TNLib Apr 2012 #58
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