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ken_phd

(2 posts)
42. Dissent
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:19 PM
Apr 2012

Daalalou:

Since you obviously spent a good deal of time offering your opinions on the Angela Corey affidavit, I felt it incumbent to do the same. Let's be clear about one point: the affidavit in Zimmerman's case is used not just for the probable cause of the arrest but also the justification for ther specific charge. While I cannot dispute the validity of many of your comments that affect the arrest of Zimmerman, I believe most of your comments relating to the 2nd degree murder charge are irrelevant.

Let's review your scenario. Martin may have been walking normally, minding his business, trying to hide from a suspicious stranger and might have acted in a manner any teenager would. No argument all all from me. It is all completely irrelevant to probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.


#2, #3,#4,#5, #6

Completely irrelevant for probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#7. The place where the shooting took place was in a back yard.
Unfortunatly, no details of how or when Martin and Zimmerman arrived at that location.

Completely irrelevant for probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#8. Zimmerman changed his route to follow Martin

Completely irrelevant for probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#9. Zimmerman had a past history of violence while Martin had none. This ignores past service of Zimmerman in community service. In any case...

Completely irrelevant for probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#10 Physical condition of Martin and Zimmerman almost equal.

Completely irrelevant for probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#11. "There's enough evidence from witnesses that there was a scuffle between the two, so wetness on his back can be explained by that. That doesn't mean Martin attacked him."

Correct. It also doesn't mean that Zimmerman attacked Martin.

No probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#12 But his injuries, whatever they were, were never serious and certainly weren't consistent with his head being banged on the sidewalk.

That is strictly conjecture on your part since both the police report and the SFD reports that Zimmerman's injuries were treated. Shocks to the head can cause induce serious injury whether they result in lacerations to the scalp or not. Patients with head injuries can exhibit normal behavior before showing signs of distress. The fact that no mention was made of these injuries by the special prosecutor which were recorded and physically observable was reprehensible. They, more than anything else, support the account of self defense. Your attempt to gloss over this evidence is disturbing.

#13 Voice will confirm it was Martin crying for help.

Unless the cell phone was using some unheard of future technology, data maps of the voices will be filled with noise and distortion. That's why the experts use probability to define their results. Martin's mother would not be a credible witness any more than Zimmerman's father would be. To put Martin's mother opinion in the affidavit and ignore the father's testimony (along with an eye witness) was again reprehensible on the part of Angela Corey. I might note here that Zimmerman was armed and had no apparent need to cry for help unless he was getting injured.

#14. "And you don't think stress would have the same effect on Martin?" Yes, however....

No probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#15. "Several witnesses contradict this one."

No mention was made in the affidavit of any witnesses. Again, reprehensible. You seem unaware of the statement of the witness supporting Zimmerman's account but are sure that other witnesses contradict it. Are you clairvoyant?

#16. You question the truthfulness of Zimmerman's father.
Once again...

No probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

#17. Zimmerman wasn't law enforcement. That's the problem.

Profiling is not a legal term. It is an inflammatory term used when trying to undermine factual descriptions.

No probable cause to charge Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

There is a further item which you did not address. Under Florida law, for a 2nd degree murder charge the state must show that the defendant had a "depraved mind".

George Zimmerman called police twice to inform them of a suspicious person in the neighborhood. Evidence shows this was his SOP for many previous watches. If people can be shown to have a depraved mind after calling the police twice for assistance, then we are all in trouble.

You are beating a dead horse attempting to justify the 2nd degree murder charge based on the incompetent affidavit submitted by Angela Corey.



They're probably looking for a plea bargain down to manslaughter Warpy Apr 2012 #1
I'll wait and see what happens at the trial. FarPoint Apr 2012 #2
She did a great job in front of cameras. RandySF Apr 2012 #3
It's not her first. And Wheeler is totally full of shit. TheWraith Apr 2012 #27
The Veteran Prosecutor... FarPoint Apr 2012 #29
The article wasn't written by Marcy Wheeler but by bmaz... Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #32
In Trayvon Martin case, murder charge surprises some legal analysts EFerrari Apr 2012 #40
They must be getting the article and the person in question Rex Apr 2012 #49
Empty is the right word for this. elleng Apr 2012 #4
If it is deficient, then either: Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #5
not the State's Attorney (who originally buried the whole thing) waddirum Apr 2012 #17
True, she's not with the State Attorney's office - she was appointed by Gov Rick Scott - Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #22
Actually, she is a State Attorney pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #28
Wait - stop right there - the State Attorney is hedgehog Apr 2012 #37
Of course not, but does that make any difference? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #55
If the state attorney is elected, then there is the motive for setting Zimmerman loose hedgehog Apr 2012 #69
Why not? Gov Rick Scott is a criminal, AND a Repuke, and Repukes ADORE Zimmerman Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #72
If you had taken the time to read the affidavit ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #51
I read the opinion, not the affidavit itself. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #54
I do not believe that she would have filed it without supporting evidence. tabatha Apr 2012 #6
That's usually the way it works, yes. n/t janx Apr 2012 #46
What complete and utter bullshit this post is. Solomon Apr 2012 #7
What you said is exactly what has stood out to me too. I don't get why this is so hard Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #59
The Corey affidavit is very thin on supporting facts Vattel Apr 2012 #8
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #9
Your points have no substantiation whatsoever. tabatha Apr 2012 #11
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #13
It was raining that night - the moisture need not have come from the grass but from the sky. tabatha Apr 2012 #15
"I'm not going to waste my time digging it out for you." pacalo Apr 2012 #16
The police bungled all kinds of things including missing tons of witnesses and coaching witnesses Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #20
How do you know the cries were coming from Martin and not Zimmerman? dkf Apr 2012 #30
Zimmerman's been ruled out Daalalou Apr 2012 #36
Maybe the technology sucks and would rule out Martin too. dkf Apr 2012 #39
The technology has been tested to where they can put a probability on its accuracy Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #41
Test Martin and Zimmerman and its apples to apples. dkf Apr 2012 #61
Of course, if they have Martin's voice avalable. nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #65
Wait a minute, you are using reason to say it wasn't Martin screaming, and then... CreekDog Apr 2012 #60
I haven't ruled out either of them. dkf Apr 2012 #62
zimmerman police report brush Apr 2012 #24
#15 Go Vols Apr 2012 #53
DUer Hepburn must have seen what bmaz @ emptywheel saw... pacalo Apr 2012 #10
Isn't that a bit risky on the prosecutors part? BootinUp Apr 2012 #12
It sure seems that way, in a perfect system in which the "good guys" have the best intentions. pacalo Apr 2012 #14
What Corey is saying is Zimmerman had already determined Martin to be guilty Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #18
yea shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #23
Pro-Zimmerman arguments are nonsense Daalalou Apr 2012 #19
Good post and that poster has been banned. uppityperson Apr 2012 #21
Welcome to DU MrScorpio Apr 2012 #25
True, but Emptywheel isn't making a pro-Zimmerman case. gkhouston Apr 2012 #26
Her legal expert got obliterated in the comments by practicing Florida attorneys. msanthrope Apr 2012 #35
Like this one (#35): janx Apr 2012 #50
Thanks for posting this! Great info! nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #64
Ah. Well, I'm glad to know the prosecution isn't that disorganized. gkhouston Apr 2012 #56
Regarding this point... In the police video, he looks like a pretty buff guy dkf Apr 2012 #33
Dissent ken_phd Apr 2012 #42
What Cory is suggesting in the affidavit is that Zimmerman had decided Martin was a criminal Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #63
Thank you for joining... OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #48
Does the affidavit have to detail all the evidence? DCBob Apr 2012 #31
No. Here: janx Apr 2012 #43
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #45
This affidavit says specifically that there is more to come Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #57
Exactly what I thought. DCBob Apr 2012 #66
Wheeler's 'legal expert' got obliterated in the comments by people who actually practice law msanthrope Apr 2012 #34
I suspect the prosecutor didn't want to tip her hand. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #38
People are expecting the prosecutor to list all of the evidence in the affidavit. janx Apr 2012 #44
silly H2O Man Apr 2012 #47
I haven't read many affidavits ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #52
They don't have to give all the evedence, only enough for Probable Cause Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #58
The Fine Points Of Law And Medicine Should Usually Be Left To Doctors And Lawyers DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #67
I "Love" All These New Members Pimping George Zimmerman DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2012 #68
Even the National Review is acknowledging probable cause NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #70
Self-defense is an affirmative defense to be pled by the Defendant. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2012 #71
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