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In the discussion thread: Our founding fathers were not Christians. [View all]

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:57 AM

24. From your link

American historian Richard B. Morris in 1973 identified the following seven figures as the key Founding Fathers: John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington.

Those seven had more to do with founding this country than all the rest of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention combined. Of those seven, the only one who identified themselves as a Christian was John Jay.

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Our founding fathers were not Christians. [View all]	RKP5637	Apr 2012	OP
You can beat fundies over the head with this,....	lastlib	Apr 2012	#1
Yep, all logic and truth fails with fundies ... best to just write them off as prehistoric. n/t	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#2
This is a zero sum game for many on both sides.	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#3
Yes, BOTH sides are equally impervious to evidence	MNBrewer	Apr 2012	#12
Yep	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#15
that's the impression i get from this thread.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#37
oh frickin' please.	cali	Apr 2012	#4
1797 Treaty of Tripoli	hobbit709	Apr 2012	#9
Did you actually read the writings of Madison and John Adams	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#17
Fundamentalism hadn't been invented when the forefathers signed the Constistuition.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#20
I have read Jefferson's correspondence with Adams on this issue	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#35
Priestly invented soda water.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#63
From your link	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#24
Actually, George Washington was quite religious and certainly Christian....	Moonwalk	Apr 2012	#26
George Washington never identified himself as a Christian	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#28
You are trying to define yourself to victory, and that...	Moonwalk	Apr 2012	#30
You keep ignoring what I wrote and instead wish to debate what I didn't write	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#31
the Creator vs. the Christians	freefaller62	Apr 2012	#33
Many of the founding fathers were either deists or were very sympathetic to deism	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#39
Ethan Allen for example	flamingdem	Apr 2012	#66
and yet hamilton insisted his wife should believe in God.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#38
Belief in god does not make one a Christian	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#40
do you think the god he wanted her to believe in was something other than the christian god?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#41
Hamilton was married in 1780	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#43
all your "guesses" are predictated on your own faith, and must be taken on faith.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#44
Excuse me	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#48
I think that's an overreaction. Maybe I was trying to be too clever in phrasing, but all I meant	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#50
They were Deists	underpants	Apr 2012	#56
Jefferson was not a Christian in the usual meaning of the word.	eomer	Apr 2012	#25
in private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803),[2] "a sect by myself" (1819),	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#42
That's why I said it the way I did.	eomer	Apr 2012	#45
what's the usual meaning of the word? in my world, "christian" refers to anyone from the fundie	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#46
It's not a "stupid" distinction to those who push the meme.	eomer	Apr 2012	#47
But the faith of the fathers is irrelevant. What's relevant is their faith in separation of church	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#49
It's not irrelevant - it is one of the lies they use in their campaign to establish a religion.	eomer	Apr 2012	#52
It's not worth debunking when it's an unwinnable pissing match that distracts from publicizing	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#61
I think it is worthwhile to point this out to people who claim that Jefferson was a Christian...	eomer	Apr 2012	#68
You are defining a Christian as a follower of Christ. In that sense, many deists would be	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#64
Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Thomas Paine, Monroe, Madison, Adams, Hamilton.... any questions?	underpants	Apr 2012	#57
Five founders who were skeptical of organized Christianity and couldn't be elected today!	yortsed snacilbuper	Apr 2012	#5
How does one break the faith argument?	longship	Apr 2012	#6
This comes to mind, "The God Spot," but I certainly doubt it will bring	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#10
Not sure of the neurology on that	longship	Apr 2012	#11
actually, there is, it's called the God Nodule and it's a specific cerebral locus.	nebenaube	Apr 2012	#59
Okay.	longship	Apr 2012	#60
Please Define "Fundamentalist"	freefaller62	Apr 2012	#34
Now you are making a strictly rhetorical argument	longship	Apr 2012	#51
Religion vs. Governmental Philosophy	freefaller62	Apr 2012	#53
That is the crux of the problem	longship	Apr 2012	#62
The prohibition against murder and theft is not unique to the Christian and Jewish religions.	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#65
Well the Bill of Rights/parts of constitution were borrowed from Iroquois confederacy - not	Kashkakat v.2.0	Apr 2012	#7
No, they weren't	Spider Jerusalem	Apr 2012	#8
It's both from common law but influenced by the Iroquois form of government as	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#18
No, it wasn't	Spider Jerusalem	Apr 2012	#19
That's a feel-good popular myth with no factual basis.	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#13
No use trying to reason with religious people.	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#14
Yep, it's just a lost cause. Also, "if" they had divine knowledge with a capital T, many of	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#16
Most forms of organized religion require one to abandon reason	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#29
Thank You For Posting This.	Left Coast2020	Apr 2012	#21
Thank you! I'm pleased you're finding it helpful!	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#22
Why does it sadden you?	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#54
And even if they were they were not in favor of having an official national church. They were for	jwirr	Apr 2012	#23
Yes, they were Christians, but the problem with this argument from Fundies is....	Moonwalk	Apr 2012	#27
No, they weren't Christians	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#32
+1	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#36
Jefferson and Adams did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Read their correspondence.	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#67
Well, Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves and enjoyed raping the female ones.	Nye Bevan	Apr 2012	#55
Many were christians	TNLib	Apr 2012	#58

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