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I am not an expert but I took it to mean that you got fifty euro in ADDITION to your welfare money MADem Apr 2012 #1
And employers pay $50 a week for this labor. Zalatix Apr 2012 #3
Well, when wages go down, prices do, too. MADem Apr 2012 #10
Really pushing that "FDR" thing, there. This kind of scheme actually *encourages* businesses *not* HiPointDem Apr 2012 #16
You keep snarking at me--but you haven't told me what Ireland should do. MADem Apr 2012 #40
I was in Italy a few years ago HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #28
I lived there for many years in/around the Bush 1-Clinton era. MADem Apr 2012 #54
That's a fairy tale. Prices never go down as fast as wages do. Zalatix Apr 2012 #29
Did I say they kept pace with one another? MADem Apr 2012 #32
That would be no worse than putting them to work for $50 a week Zalatix Apr 2012 #39
Not if they have to change out staff every nine months--and this is a TWO YEAR program. MADem Apr 2012 #44
I told you already. They should do what Iceland did. And I did not call you an asshole so stop lying Zalatix Apr 2012 #63
And how will forgiving mortgage debt solve the problem? Elaborate. MADem Apr 2012 #73
What?! Iceland did not pay the banks holding the debts! Zalatix Apr 2012 #74
It didn't help unemployment--and that's what the subject matter is in this thread, in case you are MADem Apr 2012 #75
Sigh. If Ireland hadn't wasted that money on bank bailouts they could have fixed unemployment Zalatix Apr 2012 #76
But....but....but....the problem isn't public jobs--it's those EVIL corporations, hiring at slave MADem Apr 2012 #81
My arguments have not changed. Quit making shit up. Zalatix Apr 2012 #89
You are unclear as to the meaning of a question mark? Apparently, you are. MADem Apr 2012 #91
Oh I saw your question mark. I also know what a RHETORICAL question is. Zalatix Apr 2012 #96
There you go with that "implied" shit again. I do not "imply." I do not accuse. I do not suggest. MADem Apr 2012 #99
Oh, really? Then why did you even bring up the government bailing out the banks? Zalatix Apr 2012 #105
Go back--I didn't bring up the banks at all--I asked a question after YOU brought up the banks. MADem Apr 2012 #106
You did bring up the banks. You "asked" me this, do you remember? Zalatix Apr 2012 #108
No -- you did. You said--rather self-importantly, too MADem Apr 2012 #110
You're shooting yourself in the foot. Zalatix Apr 2012 #112
Yes--AFTER that. You brought them up. I simply asked AFTER you brought them up in the first place. MADem Apr 2012 #115
I'm not moving the goal posts. The same question for the 1001th time. Zalatix Apr 2012 #116
Wait a minute--you said you didn't bring up banks, and now you are demanding I respond to questions MADem Apr 2012 #118
YOU ACCUSED ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #119
I accused you of NOTHING. I asked you questions. That's not accusing. And the only reason I asked MADem Apr 2012 #122
Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #125
Repetition does not make an inaccurate comment accurate. MADem Apr 2012 #126
Yes, YOU DID ACCUSE ME of suggesting Ireland pay for those private debts. I DEMAND to know why. Zalatix Apr 2012 #128
No, I did not. MADem Apr 2012 #131
You have refuted nothing. You falsely accused me with your so-called "question". Zalatix Apr 2012 #132
No--not accurate. Not a word. Sorry. You can keep on all night if you'd like. MADem Apr 2012 #133
You made an accusation and now you're scared to own up to it. Zalatix Apr 2012 #134
Incorrect. Not scared. Keep trying if it makes you happy. Keep waiting, too! MADem Apr 2012 #135
I can and will go on forever. You did accuse me. You are running away from what you said. Zalatix Apr 2012 #136
I am right here and you're still wrong! MADem Apr 2012 #137
Feel free to still be here. That way I can keep outing you as a liar. Zalatix Apr 2012 #138
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Was your account hacked? Did someone else write this under your login? Zalatix Apr 2012 #140
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Okay so you admit you lied about me. Gotcha. Zalatix Apr 2012 #142
Untrue. MADem Apr 2012 #143
You are convicted by your own words. You wrote this. Zalatix Apr 2012 #144
No, you're the one convicting yourself--doing a great job, too! MADem Apr 2012 #145
You are the only person who believes that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #146
Wrong, again. Keep it up, though--this is a great record of your behavior for future reference. nt MADem Apr 2012 #147
You're still the only one who believes that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #148
Incorrect. nt MADem Apr 2012 #149
Who else signs onto your brand of irrational beliefs? Zalatix Apr 2012 #150
You have convinced us all that you have an intimate understanding of that subject. MADem Apr 2012 #151
Who's "all"? You've got absolutely nothing. Bye! Zalatix Apr 2012 #152
By bailing out the banks, what started as a financial crisis became a sovereign debt crisis and was HiPointDem Apr 2012 #85
My point exactly. Ireland should NOT have done that. Zalatix Apr 2012 #90
I read a while back they were pushing that here also Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #62
Colleges have been doing that for about 20 years or so, some of them. MADem Apr 2012 #67
I helped train student nurses Mojorabbit Apr 2012 #77
I don't disagree with anything you have said. MADem Apr 2012 #79
It means that taxpayers subsidize employers, who get at least 30 hours of work for the equivalent HiPointDem Apr 2012 #5
Well, the WPA was a "make work" scheme, too, and people called FDR a genius. MADem Apr 2012 #7
WPA did useful work and paid a living wage. It was a public works program, not a cheap labor HiPointDem Apr 2012 #13
Ding ding ding. Livable wages, not undercutting wages Zalatix Apr 2012 #30
It would be nice if it were true, but it isn't true. WPA paid borderline wages. MADem Apr 2012 #35
You seem to be not understanding that they are getting both their welfare check and this stipend. MADem Apr 2012 #33
I understand quite well that they're getting their UNEMPLOYMENT benefit and this "stipend". HiPointDem Apr 2012 #36
And the point you are "avoiding" is that not all the jobs are "corporate." MADem Apr 2012 #46
Bullshit. I have relatives who benefitted from both WPA and CCC. MADem Apr 2012 #34
No brains, no talent. Wow. tsuki Apr 2012 #18
And medical facilities HiPointDem Apr 2012 #21
If you actually think every person who built that thing worked in the building trades for a living, MADem Apr 2012 #47
How low can you go? Nice "deliberate" misinterpretation, there. MADem Apr 2012 #37
not using their brains or educational talents? Wow! Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #23
You are deliberately twisting my remarks, and that is a cheap shot on your part. MADem Apr 2012 #38
Once again you just can't take responsibility for the things you've said. Zalatix Apr 2012 #129
Wow, you really are something! MADem Apr 2012 #130
Translation: Zanzoobar Apr 2012 #2
That's not what I am hearing at all. Rather ugly commentary, that. nt MADem Apr 2012 #8
Wow. Awesomely hateful responses. Interesting. Must be that "working class" thing. saras Apr 2012 #4
No they aren't. They are saying if you WANT to work, to gain experience in a shitty economy with MADem Apr 2012 #11
In an economy with high unemployment, doing an unpaid or low-paid internship still leaves you HiPointDem Apr 2012 #15
This is a NINE MONTH INTERNSHIP. A year, tops. MADem Apr 2012 #41
This is not what FDR did, not at all, and repeating that mendacity will not make it more Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #24
No, it's more like what Mike Dukakis did. MADem Apr 2012 #50
Well, that sounds okay, then. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #27
It reminds me of the Georgia Works program and Bridge to Work in the American Jobs Act. nt Liquorice Apr 2012 #6
Welfare to Work in MA, too. MADem Apr 2012 #9
A lot of college students in the US Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #12
You're the second person who compared this program to FDR's programs. It must be the new HiPointDem Apr 2012 #14
They got very little for it Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #17
As a person with a relative in a WPA job and a CCC camp in our neck of the woods, I beg to differ. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #19
Your interlocutors are certainly misrepresenting the wage structure of the New Deal programs alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #22
I have relatives who worked in those programs. MADem Apr 2012 #55
$25 was the average rent for a HOUSE in 1937. You could rent a flat for considerably less. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #60
I know what my relatives were paying for rent--it's in the census. MADem Apr 2012 #69
Unlike yourself, I've linked evidence to support my claims. Not to mention that the rent your HiPointDem Apr 2012 #78
I've provided links that you've ignored, and of COURSE you won't be responding to me further! MADem Apr 2012 #80
"23 Skidoo" long precedes the New Deal as an expression alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #100
23.80, actually--the average paycheck under the program. nt MADem Apr 2012 #101
23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #102
23.80 was the term--I asked my uncle, who is nearing a hundred. MADem Apr 2012 #103
Which has zero to do with 23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #104
It wasn't a deflection, it was a correction. WTF is WRONG with you? MADem Apr 2012 #107
OK there, 23 Skidoo alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #111
It's not "ignorance of the era"--I fucking MISSPOKE. MADem Apr 2012 #113
Tsk tsk alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #121
Temper? Oh no--I'm simply plainspoken. Tick tock, now--waiting on your answers to all those MADem Apr 2012 #123
G'luck with your plainspoken tantrums alcibiades_mystery Apr 2012 #124
Your baiting and goading reflects rather poorly on you. MADem Apr 2012 #127
And go on and figure out what nineteen bucks is worth in todays dollars--or twenty three bucks...as MADem Apr 2012 #53
It's exactly what Mike Dukakis did in MA, sorry to tell you. MADem Apr 2012 #48
It is utterly dissimilar to FDR era work programs, which were all public works and paid Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #25
You do realize this scheme includes "public" and volunteer jobs? MADem Apr 2012 #49
The Irish are still immigrating like crazy to the United States, unlilke most of Europe. Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #20
Ireland is about the size of South Carolina.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #31
Yes, and people are still immigrating in droves to places like Utica, New York. Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #52
Ireland does have the highest birth rate in the EU.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #56
fertility rate in ireland is 2.07 live births per woman. that's replacement rate. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #57
Over 1,000 people a week are leaving Ireland Drahthaardogs Apr 2012 #64
Yes, the Irish have been leaving Ireland for a long time.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #65
Are any of them "habitual residents" from other EU nations, returning home until the job situation MADem Apr 2012 #120
Wow. In the US that would be a Republican/Third Way neoliberal dream come true. Zorra Apr 2012 #26
Colleges do it now, all the time. Five year plans are becoming increasingly common. MADem Apr 2012 #42
"...they are being tainted by more unprincipled employers taking advantage." Cerridwen Apr 2012 #43
Those are EXCELLENT links with important facts in them. MADem Apr 2012 #92
So this is a voluntary internship with nominal pay. Sounds like most internships I know aikoaiko Apr 2012 #45
Looking at a few other articles on that site I can't take anything they say seriously. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2012 #51
Response wiki for multiple posts. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #58
As a "certain poster" has failed to answer my question, which I have asked, POLITELY, more than once MADem Apr 2012 #68
Face it, HiPointDem nailed it right to the wall. Zalatix Apr 2012 #114
Gee--you and he agree on those banks you brought up, but you don't agree on FDR--even if you don't MADem Apr 2012 #117
This sounds like a lot of internships. I think Ireland has been so very lucky for a long time riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #59
No. Ireland has traditionally been a low-wage, high-unemployment country by virtue of its HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61
Traditionally and historically oppressed but recently, yes they definitely had some great years riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #70
Ireland's been lucky? Fumesucker Apr 2012 #66
Yes, yes I know but as an actual Irishwoman I think that recently they have had a good run riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #71
... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #72
Yup, in the light of the day (and more sober! Heh) of course that makes sense riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #82
And of course, the unspoken bit of business here is that the people who have lost their jobs, many MADem Apr 2012 #83
We're getting into some serious WTF territory here.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #86
Those non-Irish were last hired/first fired. MADem Apr 2012 #87
Yep, clearly they have some Hollingsworth Hounds... Fumesucker Apr 2012 #88
Apparently, they've already gone through the "attempts to abuse the system" and they've taken steps MADem Apr 2012 #93
Evidently the Irish system has a bug.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #94
I don't think Hollingsworth will win this one, when all is said and done. MADem Apr 2012 #95
I hope things turn around.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #97
I hope not. I think we've all suffered enough! nt MADem Apr 2012 #98
Self-hating Irishman KamaAina Apr 2012 #84
People who cannot properly use apostrophes are not to be taken seriously. nt Codeine Apr 2012 #109
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