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WeekendWarrior

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53. You're right, he doesn't have to, but

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:53 PM

Apr 2012

look what happened. A man wound up dead. At his hand. And he was the only one carrying a gun.

And, to my mind, if Trayvon lashed out in any way, HE was the one defending himself. HE was the one standing his ground.

Your concern for Zimmerman is noted, however.

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Will justice only be served if George Zimmerman is convicted? [View all] Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 OP

The whole thing has already been prejudged. dkf Apr 2012 #1

That will definitely be a key finding. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #4

I agree completely! HIMYM Apr 2012 #99

Has Fox News convicted Zimmerman? nt greyl Apr 2012 #107

Since I am finding it extremely difficult to get the facts in this case rock Apr 2012 #2

Blackstone: Better 10 guilty go free than one innocent suffer ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #3

It's based on his state of mind. dkf Apr 2012 #6

With the stand your ground law, he might be really not guilty. LiberalArkie Apr 2012 #5

Good point treestar Apr 2012 #7

How difficult should it be to claim self-defense? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #8

Many states - it is an affirmative defense treestar Apr 2012 #120

My understanding of the law is that you can arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #30

I thought it meant though you could retreat, you don't have to treestar Apr 2012 #121

I may be wrong but I thought it only arthritisR_US Apr 2012 #122

It will be a step in the right direction BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #9

so regardless of what comes out in trial, you've Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #12

Yes BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #14

glad you are that confident. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #21

Practice makes perfect BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #25

What about Casey Anthony, OJ, Duke Lacrosse, Reginald Denny? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #40

There was no verdict in the Duke case because NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #42

Very true. But many were convinced of their guilt early on. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #44

Those cases makes my point more, don't you think? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #45

No. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #46

So you believe justice was served in those cases? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #50

Maybe. Hopefully, the jurors made the decision they thought was best. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #51

Seriously? Caylee Anthony had justice with that verdict? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #56

So you're sure she did not? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #59

Once again, yes BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #60

Glad to know that you are better informed than many juries. You should sell your services. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #61

Your mistake is thinking jurors are more informed simply because they're jurors BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #65

No. But I do believe they may be more informed than joe sixpack off the street. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #67

Have you ever been a part of a jury pool? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #69

yes. the media often is inaccurate. especially initially. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #82

I was referring to live coverage, not speculation. BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #91

There was live coverage of the shooting? Then it should be a quick decision by the jury. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #92

Mind sticking to the subject? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #93

You said there was live coverage, no? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #94

Of court cases, remember? BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #97

Oh, then I agree that if someone watches 100% of the live coverage and reviews 100% of the evidence Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #100

You're welcome BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #103

Wait, are you going to buy me a 4 million dollar ring? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #104

I'm pretty confident myself WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #27

Surprisingly, you are allowed to follow people. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #34

I think if the police tell you not to and you're carrying a gun WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #41

Does not mean you cannot do it though. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #43

You're right, he doesn't have to, but WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #53

In your mind? Hopefully, the trial will leave little room for doubt in whichever direction it takes Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #55

You're Kidding, Right? WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #62

Confronting him? Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #63

Yes, and they sometimes get it wrong WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #64

Hopefully, all evidence will be reviewed and the right verdict will be reached. Whatever that Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #66

I agree. And in my opinion WeekendWarrior Apr 2012 #108

I am, too. H2O Man Apr 2012 #127

Of course SaltyBro Apr 2012 #10

why do we even need a trial? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #13

because that is how our country works SaltyBro Apr 2012 #17

But if we already know the correct verdict than maybe it is a waste of time. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #35

Please stop it Becka2515 Apr 2012 #20

The poster didn't mention M1 obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #33

The post i replied too Becka2515 Apr 2012 #79

Justice will be served... HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #11

Barring some heretofore unknown, definitively exculpatory, evidence, yes. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #15

Probably a dumb question at this point, but was an autopsy performed on Trayvon? Lex Apr 2012 #16

The autopsy should answer many questions. OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #22

Yes, the autopsy results will be key then. Lex Apr 2012 #26

Exactly. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #28

I was thinking the same thing obamanut2012 Apr 2012 #36

The affidavit the prosecution filed during yesterday's hearing NoGOPZone Apr 2012 #38

In the Special Prosecutor's Affadavit of Probable Cause Trayvon was shot in the chest csziggy Apr 2012 #77

Of course not leftynyc Apr 2012 #18

Check out some of the posts above ours and you will see some will only be satisfied with one Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #37

Then some people are not interested in justice leftynyc Apr 2012 #47

People walk all the time for crimes they have committed RZM Apr 2012 #19

Most DUers wanted the victim to have a day in court Johonny Apr 2012 #23

The goalpost seems to be moving Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #24

Justice will be served when we know the facts of this case Skip_In_Boulder Apr 2012 #29

I think that's obvious. Marr Apr 2012 #31

Chased? Maybe. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #39

Pursued, at least, AFTER being commanded not to do so. Lex Apr 2012 #48

He was commanded? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #49

Told, instructed, advised. He pursued anyway. Lex Apr 2012 #52

I believe he was told it was not necessary. Far cry from a command. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #54

Fact remains the 911 record shows he was in pursuit. Lex Apr 2012 #57

Yes, and you are allowed to do that. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #58

I believe your not allowed to be the aggressor and then claim the SYG law as a defense. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #72

I do not believe that the law considers following an Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #84

Stalking is a form of aggression. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #96

I am not sure at what threshhold that it becomes stalking. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #98

Could be a repetitive thing Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #102

Not maybe. This isn't in dispute. Marr Apr 2012 #71

following is not chasing. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #81

Yes it is. Marr Apr 2012 #86

If p then q <> If q then p Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #88

So is it your contention that Zimmerman needed to "follow" Martin... bluesbassman Apr 2012 #95

No, merely that following is not always chasing. nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #101

Justice can only be served if he gets a fair trial Yo_Mama Apr 2012 #32

We are not the jury Kesiyu Apr 2012 #68

What proof of that "wound" do you have? What proof of Zimmy "was definitely under Trayvon" do you uppityperson Apr 2012 #70

The video enhanced by ABC News Kesiyu Apr 2012 #73

That is not proof of either of your assertions. Try again. uppityperson Apr 2012 #75

I guess the jury will have to decide if that's a wound Kesiyu Apr 2012 #109

If the police don't have any photos of Zimmerman's injuries then he has no evidence of injuries Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #78

How does that video prove Zimmy was under Trayvon? I don't see it, would you point it out for me? uppityperson Apr 2012 #80

I didn't say it proves it Kesiyu Apr 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #112

We just have to believe Zimmerman was tended to by paramedics... BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #74

Yeah... life-threatening damage that didn't even require a butterfly bandage. gkhouston Apr 2012 #76

You say "supposed gash" but it could be a welt Kesiyu Apr 2012 #111

All this is beside the point... cyberswede Apr 2012 #113

So far, everyone that went with the 'wound to the head' story BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #114

Never say "everyone" Kesiyu Apr 2012 #116

Actually if you read your own article, it's talking about the media, BklnDem75 Apr 2012 #117

Never say "never". uppityperson Apr 2012 #125

No Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2012 #83

+1 - Exactly what I wanted to say n/t MrBig Apr 2012 #87

You've been on the fence since the beginning of this Rex Apr 2012 #85

Very true. I have been on the fence. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #89

I really want to watch the trial. Rex Apr 2012 #105

Is justice a real thing, or is it just something we tell ourselves to make life seem less shity? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #90

Depends on if a person believes in the concept of evil and good imo. Rex Apr 2012 #106

I believe good and evil are emotional reactions to perceived stimuli. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #118

I don't really know. Rex Apr 2012 #119

Maybe, maybe not. H2O Man Apr 2012 #115

Only if he is found guilty by a jury based on evidence. Better Believe It Apr 2012 #123

Hopefully a fair trial chrisa Apr 2012 #124

He clearly shot and killed an unarmed teenager. alarimer Apr 2012 #126

my opinion is barbtries Apr 2012 #128