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muriel_volestrangler

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55. He voted against training and arming Syrians against ISIS; he favours airstrikes in Iraq
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 10:30 AM
Sep 2014
Sen. Bernie Sanders on Thursday voted against the United States training and arming Syrian rebels. Sanders said the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria “is a brutal and dangerous extremist organization which must be defeated, but this war cannot be won by the United States alone. There needs to be a real international coalition led by the countries most threatened – Muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Turkey and Iran. The worst thing that we can do now is allow ISIS to portray this struggle as East vs. West, as Muslim vs. Christian, as the Middle East vs. America. That is exactly what they want and that is exactly what we should not be giving them.”

The senator faulted wealthy Middle East nations for doing too little to protect their own interests, especially when Saudi Arabia has the fourth largest military budget in the world. He also questioned why American taxpayers are footing the bill when royal families that rule those Mideast nations are worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

“This is not just a question of whether young men and women in Vermont and across America should be putting their lives on the line in another Mideast war. It is not just about whether the taxpayers of our country should once again pay for a war in the Middle East. It is about the reality that, long term, this struggle will never be won by the United States alone. It must be won with the active participation of the Muslim countries in the region,” Sanders said.

Sanders said he supports President Barack Obama’s judicious use of airstrikes which already have shown some success, but in opposing the resolution Sanders said, “I fear very much that supporting questionable groups in Syria who will be outnumbered and outgunned by both ISIS and the Assad regime could open the door to the United States once again being dragged back into the quagmire of long-term military engagement.”

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/sanders-to-vote-no-on-war-funds
Why should you hate such a good TV show? shenmue Sep 2014 #1
And we read, and we watched, all the specially selected news... Electric Monk Sep 2014 #111
They've beheaded Americans on video. woolldog Sep 2014 #2
We've obliterated hundreds of Iraqi, Pakistani, Afghan and Yemeni children with our drone strikes. Maedhros Sep 2014 #5
So your solution is to woolldog Sep 2014 #7
Ahhh crap... 99Forever Sep 2014 #9
You're implying Omaba is lying about ISIS. Prove it. baldguy Sep 2014 #22
What reason do you have to think this criticism of O administration is hate for him? MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #138
Because the argument that Obama is "exactly the same as Bush" has no basis in reality baldguy Sep 2014 #153
So, being "uninformed" about Obama = hatred? MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #156
+1. Nt newfie11 Sep 2014 #27
When the war is being proposed by a hated political foe Maedhros Sep 2014 #97
Bombing ISIL will not prevent beheadings, nor bring back those who are dead. Maedhros Sep 2014 #95
Thank you. whathehell Sep 2014 #102
Thank you annm4peace Sep 2014 #10
Yes - ISIL's main source of funding is oil trades on the underground market, Maedhros Sep 2014 #96
And any nation that balks at that for whatever reason FrodosPet Sep 2014 #119
But none of this will be tried. Maedhros Sep 2014 #123
Please read and... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #135
I have, hence my post. Maedhros Sep 2014 #141
I think during GWB Administration... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #142
Consensus among the pro-war faction here seems to be that Obama is attacking ISIL Maedhros Sep 2014 #143
Neither is the ... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #144
Do you have a link that discusses the greater, non-military scope of the plan? [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #147
I will give you several... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #148
I'm struggling to find the relevance in these links. Maedhros Sep 2014 #150
Seek to... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #151
So, in essence, you provide three irrelevant links as support for your thin argument? Maedhros Sep 2014 #154
And that is part of the... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #145
Part of the plan... YvonneCa Sep 2014 #146
Really. We're reaping what our mic, empowered by our leaders, has sown. polichick Sep 2014 #35
Yeah, I guess all the Iraqi Shias and Christians have too.. whathehell Sep 2014 #103
What have the innocent Iraqis being murdered by them "sown"? NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #116
That misses the point. Igel Sep 2014 #50
So it's ok to behead Saudi Women as our "friends" the Saudi's like to do SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #149
Yes. ISIS wants you to hate ISIS. They want the entire West to hate them. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #3
Fear, not hate. Igel Sep 2014 #52
ISIS wants you to hate them so much, that you demand the government go back into Iraq Rex Sep 2014 #4
Well, I'm not altogether sure it's all ISIS Saboburns Sep 2014 #6
Ooooh, look at the iconoclast. Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #93
If you see a giant hill Aerows Sep 2014 #8
Putting out videos of themselves beheading Americans might play some role oberliner Sep 2014 #11
Does it only bother you when there's video? 99Forever Sep 2014 #12
It bothers me when people post videos of themselves beheading Americans oberliner Sep 2014 #13
You are being played. 99Forever Sep 2014 #15
+1 GeorgeGist Sep 2014 #16
So is your Avatar Bernie.. "playing" you then.. Cha Sep 2014 #18
I have the same opinion on this subject as the guy in your avatar oberliner Sep 2014 #41
You would do well to also note... 99Forever Sep 2014 #51
He voted against training and arming Syrians against ISIS; he favours airstrikes in Iraq muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #55
Parse it any way you please. 99Forever Sep 2014 #73
Quoting the senator's own website is not just 'parsing' it muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #75
As I said... 99Forever Sep 2014 #78
I think that you don't understand Sen. Sanders, and that is your problem muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #80
Bernie Sanders is a politician. 99Forever Sep 2014 #87
You're not making any sense tabasco Sep 2014 #81
Turn down the pounding of the war drums and try listening again. 99Forever Sep 2014 #85
I was just thinking that exact same thing Number23 Sep 2014 #157
Nope, you're wrong and in deep denial.. Bernie voted to not fund arming Syrians on the GROUND.. Cha Sep 2014 #162
+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #38
Putting American troops in harm's way after 9/11 CJCRANE Sep 2014 #21
Should we do anything to try to rescue the hostages? oberliner Sep 2014 #42
We apparently tried to rescue them CJCRANE Sep 2014 #44
You bet.. whathehell Sep 2014 #106
You're right. They're probably swell guys. LostInAnomie Sep 2014 #14
I don't think the OP expressed herself/himself well at all cali Sep 2014 #19
While, oddly enough, ISIS is supposedly engaging in a lot of the same Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #31
Yes, Senators Sanders and Warren want you "to hate ISIS" Ponder that.. Cha Sep 2014 #17
Bernie and Warren voted against training and arming "moderate" Syrian rebels cali Sep 2014 #20
Two people smart enough to not want to arm our potential enemies FrodosPet Sep 2014 #48
And Senator Fulbright voted with 97 other Senators Art_from_Ark Sep 2014 #126
Maybe you should have listened to the UN 3 months ago muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #23
How often does the American MSM mention what's happening at the UN? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #24
We were talking about ISIS in June on DU: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #25
I knew about the proto-ISIS about 18 months ago CJCRANE Sep 2014 #26
But I think the tone of the OP implies this is manufactured outrage muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #30
The MSM and polticians concentrate on an issue when it's convenient for them. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #32
Earlier, if you go back and search on posts that involve Iraq and Ramadi. Igel Sep 2014 #53
ISIS wants us to hate ISIS JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #28
They would be beheading people Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #29
Can't keep the war industry vital without a bad guy. polichick Sep 2014 #33
5 weeks ago? That says more about you than anything you could or couldn't be taught. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2014 #34
Well, Western leaders and politicians didn't say much about it until about five weeks ago. CJCRANE Sep 2014 #36
The GOPTaliban are not my leaders. The SOS and POTUS have been paying attention to this for years. freshwest Sep 2014 #67
Yes, I was keeping track of events unfolding in Libya and Iraq/Syria CJCRANE Sep 2014 #37
The catastrophic route of the Iraqi army geek tragedy Sep 2014 #47
It's easy to dupe the American public, especially when you own all the major media. Scuba Sep 2014 #39
So ISIL, in your view, is the victim of geek tragedy Sep 2014 #46
More likely the fabrication of those who would keep us in perpetual war. Scuba Sep 2014 #54
'fabrication' as in 'you don't believe they really exist'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #56
"Created for profit" is certainly plausible. Scuba Sep 2014 #57
This is clearly the handiwork of the Illuminati. kwassa Sep 2014 #64
Yes, dismissing any suspicions as wild conspiracy theories is the way to go. Scuba Sep 2014 #65
You think you have an explanation that isn't a conspiracy theory? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #68
I reviewed my posts but can't find mention of a "secret cabal". Maybe you have a link. Scuba Sep 2014 #70
You said "those who would keep us in perpetual war". I said 'secret cabal' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #71
Are suggesting that's not a plausible scenario? If so, why do you think it's not plausible? Scuba Sep 2014 #72
The mere fact of limited ownership of media isn't proof of anything. kwassa Sep 2014 #74
because the people in charge of ISIS, especially the man at the top, have a long record muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #79
so it's a plausible scenario treestar Sep 2014 #84
'An open consortium that created ISIS' AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #129
No, that is not an 'open consortium'. They do not admit it. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #132
The intent of going into Iraq AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #133
You confuse "did things that contributed to the region's situation" with "created for profit" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #134
Contributed? They caused it intentionally by invading Iraq AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #136
If you think they fabricated ISIS, then you are suggesting a conspiracy muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #139
ISIS is the predictible end result AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #140
and where is the MIC handbook? Got an online source? kwassa Sep 2014 #69
You should inform all the people geek tragedy Sep 2014 #82
They are already aware of it AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #130
Because what's not to love about misogiynist,homophobic,theocratic sufrommich Sep 2014 #40
They'd be so welcoming to their defenders here, I'm sure! MADem Sep 2014 #61
Are you talking about ISIS AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #131
Then you're easily let astray. randome Sep 2014 #43
It means you weren't paying attention to the region, nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #45
Yes, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren among others. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #49
I see someone is paying attention - TBF Sep 2014 #58
Seriously? You think the ISIS videos are made at the Pentagon? sufrommich Sep 2014 #59
I don't believe the story we're being fed - TBF Sep 2014 #60
It doesn't spell it out for me, thank you. kwassa Sep 2014 #62
Alex Jones grade derp knows no political persuasion. nt sufrommich Sep 2014 #63
Try again - Alex Jones is not a communist. TBF Sep 2014 #91
Holy non sequiturs Batman! nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #121
We don't need conspiracy - we have capitalism and the MIC. nt TBF Sep 2014 #90
all you have is conspiracy. kwassa Sep 2014 #100
If you can't see what capitalism is doing to this TBF Sep 2014 #104
If you believe that communism is a viable solution for anything .... kwassa Sep 2014 #109
We haven't tried communism - TBF Sep 2014 #112
Why should we try communism? It has failed absolutely everywhere, and ... kwassa Sep 2014 #113
I think we've seen some socialist systems led by dictators - TBF Sep 2014 #114
and I am not playing with your evidence-free conspiracy theory, either. kwassa Sep 2014 #115
Red baiting narrative = belongs on ignore list. Maedhros Sep 2014 #152
Can't ignore every problem... n/t YvonneCa Sep 2014 #160
+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #66
Citing a 60 year old speech doesn't make geek tragedy Sep 2014 #88
Alex Jones would be impressed at your creativity. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #86
If you barely heard of them until 5 weeks ago you were not paying attention - and that likely is karynnj Sep 2014 #76
Not somebody. Almost everybody wants you (and me) to hate IS enough to bomb, merrily Sep 2014 #77
While you are pondering, ponder this. William769 Sep 2014 #83
The Yazidis do etherealtruth Sep 2014 #89
Let me be sure I understand this ridiculous bullshit Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #92
IS is taunting US into a war to take out Assad, just as their Saudi creators ordered. imo Dems to Win Sep 2014 #94
Please state your love for them. I will promise to alert it and get it locked! nt Logical Sep 2014 #98
Yes, I at least want you to hate ISIS. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #99
Hate is counterproductive. Maedhros Sep 2014 #155
It's what I feel for murderers. I'm afraid I think your platitudes are empty and meaningless. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2014 #161
Hate can be manipulated by those with an agenda. Maedhros Sep 2014 #163
Well, Kony kinda fell off the face of social media, didn't he? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #101
do you not follow world news? La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #105
Wow, that's a tough job they've taken on.. whathehell Sep 2014 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #108
This is a good time to stop and reflect on the mistakes of the past decade. pa28 Sep 2014 #110
Former President Carter wants you to hate ISIS FrodosPet Sep 2014 #117
You know the MIC means business when they have even gotten to Jimmy Carter. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #127
MIC, TPTB...acronyms for those too chicken to type POTUS. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #159
ISIS is going to allow a few in the good ol' USA JEB Sep 2014 #118
We're supposed to hate the Danger Zone? Initech Sep 2014 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Sep 2014 #122
Could it be . . . Brigid Sep 2014 #124
They're doing the things they were doing when we said the U.S. should withdrawal therefore the U.S. Chathamization Sep 2014 #125
No current need for the media or a government to invent boogeymen when real monsters already exist LanternWaste Sep 2014 #128
Somehow, I am finding it hard for me to take them seriously. Xyzse Sep 2014 #137
I don't hate them. bigwillq Sep 2014 #158
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