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In the discussion thread: Obama Disappoints Gay Groups By Refusing To Ban Discrimination Against Gay Federal Contractors [View all]

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Thu Apr 12, 2012, 06:22 PM

msanthrope (16,512 posts)

18. Outrage aside, I'm a girl who loves a separation of powers debate. I know our President is

committed to civil rights.

You raise a good point---EO's can be overwritten. Acts of Congress???? Not so much.

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83 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama Disappoints Gay Groups By Refusing To Ban Discrimination Against Gay Federal Contractors [View all]	Purveyor	Apr 2012	OP
So does this means he's "devolving" on the issue?	vi5	Apr 2012	#1
He disappoints more than gays on this. He disappoints any straight with half a brain.	kestrel91316	Apr 2012	#2
If it wasn't disappointing, Purveyor wouldn't be posting it. n/t	Ian David	Apr 2012	#3
Go into the GLBT group and say that.	Occulus	Apr 2012	#8
Do you care to expand on THAT? eom	Purveyor	Apr 2012	#67
no... it's informative	fascisthunter	Apr 2012	#80
The words 'at this time' does NOT mean never.	Tx4obama	Apr 2012	#4
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Occulus	Apr 2012	#7
Exactly	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#10
SO WHEN THE FUCK WILL WE GET TREATED AS EQUAL?	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#9
perhaps tx4obama shares his views on this.	Occulus	Apr 2012	#16
at a convenient time to someone's political career.	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#33
So 20 years from now, when it will be not risky at all...	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#36
or 30 or 40 or whenever is convenient for someone important	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#39
I'll stick with this.	FedUp_Queer	Apr 2012	#52
Let me guess...	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#57
Crickets	Rex	Apr 2012	#55
Outrage aside, Barney Frank deserves to get EDNA passed....	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#13
The EO would not effect ENDA.	TriMera	Apr 2012	#26
Well, it would. It would give certain 'moderate' Democrats an out that I don't think they should	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#34
How so? In fact it would show moderate democrats that the president expects them	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#40
You do that with a phone call from the Oval Office telling them to stand up and be counted. Barney	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#48
ENDA has been on the table since 1994.	TriMera	Apr 2012	#42
The problem is that if an EO is under court challenge, it's probable that Judiciary won't take the	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#46
Press Sec Carney's quotes on the link below	Tx4obama	Apr 2012	#51
No it means, 'not now' as in ' maybe some other time'.	Rex	Apr 2012	#19
Rep. Frank has pending legislation on this matter. Should the President not allow him an ENDA	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#23
Why not join him in that victory? Can they not share it together?	Rex	Apr 2012	#27
It would be a win-win. See my post down-thread.n/t	TriMera	Apr 2012	#30
As I explained elsewhere on the thread, having two branches of	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#50
Why would they be tripping over each other? I fail to see it.	Rex	Apr 2012	#54
Did you read my other posts??? I explain the mechanism quite clearly. nt.	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#62
ENDA and this EO differs in scope.	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#29
Thank you. n/t	TriMera	Apr 2012	#32
Actually, ENDA covers government workers and contractors, too.	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#41
Yes, i know. The EO is much limited in scope and could have been used to set	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#44
So you want an EO to pre-empt an Article 1, Section 8 matter???	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#58
Let me ask you something. How many times has an EO been overturned by the Courts?	TriMera	Apr 2012	#69
Um. This tells me you never read why. Read the Youngstown case, and when you understand	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#70
Du rec. Nt	xchrom	Apr 2012	#5
Yep. Any day now.	Iggo	Apr 2012	#6
Obama - doesn't give a fuck about equality	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#11
I disagree with you, respectfully. I think EDNA deserves a chance at passage, and if it doesn't	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#15
Why should we wait?	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#17
Why would you assume it doesn't affect me? Issuing an EO gives Congress a pass. It also allows	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#20
Not if he challenges Congress to extend it to ALL AMERICANS	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#22
I think he's shown tremendous leadership. You may disagree, I will vote for him in November.	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#25
Ah, the old strawman rears his head	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#28
what a supremely lame argument. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#31
If all else fails...n/t	TriMera	Apr 2012	#35
i think its bigoted to cast aspersions on a minority group for standing up for their rights	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#37
Well, I don't disagree with the right, I just disagree with how to go about obtaining it....	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#43
I especially love the part where those "loyal democrats"	TriMera	Apr 2012	#49
It's not the 'political process.' It's Civics. Tell me how an Article 1, Section 8 matter is best	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#53
Well, let's see.	FedUp_Queer	Apr 2012	#45
So who are you voting for???? nt	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#59
Mr. M. Mouse. (That is, if they count my vote with the optical scan machines.)	FedUp_Queer	Apr 2012	#66
I wouldn't consider an EO until Barney Frank's legislation is off the table. (HR 1397)	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#12
Thank you for posting the best comment on this thread.	Tx4obama	Apr 2012	#14
Outrage aside, I'm a girl who loves a separation of powers debate. I know our President is	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#18
ENDA. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Apr 2012	#21
Dyslexia kicking in...I had to look a few times before I saw it....nt	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#24
+	bigtree	Apr 2012	#38
On what planet?	dsc	Apr 2012	#64
So if Frank can't pass ENDA in his last term, you want EO action????	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#65
We don't control the floor	dsc	Apr 2012	#68
So--You think a President who does not have the floor should issue EOs???	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#71
No it doesn't	dsc	Apr 2012	#75
I don't get this one really	Broderick	Apr 2012	#47
As I've explained above, an EO could actually interfere with pending legslation....ENDA.	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#60
Ok. I hope you are right	Broderick	Apr 2012	#61
Good legislation is better than good press. I hope Barney Frank can do this last	msanthrope	Apr 2012	#63
As a gay man, I am disappointed by this.	Bolo Boffin	Apr 2012	#56
Pathetic	gratuitous	Apr 2012	#72
HERE IS WHAT OBAMA HIMSELF SAID TWO YEARS AGO	ruggerson	Apr 2012	#73
"my ability to make sure that the federal government is an employer that treats gays and lesbians...	FreeState	Apr 2012	#74
Lovely.	BlueIris	Apr 2012	#76
So, Barney Frank is supposed to get ENDA passed	Bohunk68	Apr 2012	#77
I'm disappointed in the President as well	The Philosopher	Apr 2012	#78
Awesome reply!	dbackjon	Apr 2012	#79
Quit thinking of the EO as a miracle decree	treestar	Apr 2012	#81
one does not preclude the other	ruggerson	Apr 2012	#82
It would have shown	The Philosopher	Apr 2012	#83

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