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In the discussion thread: How positive are you of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence? [View all]

Thu Apr 12, 2012, 01:18 PM

Prism (3,440 posts)

88. After the Duke University incident, I never know anything

I know Zimmerman killed Treyvon and that Treyvon was unarmed. Was it manslaughter, 2nd degree murder, or something else? I do not know. I won't speculate until all the evidence is presented in court.

On the one hand, the outrage enabled Zimmerman to be arrested and charged. This is a very good thing for justice in America. I'm glad people got angry.

On the other, such a political and media frenzy is surrounding this, that I'm going to hang back and see all the facts before thinking about guilt or innocence. That Duke incident proved that no how much we "know", no matter how certain we are of what is in someone's heart or their motives or even the facts of the case, we do not know anything until all the information involves sees the light of day.

It's good that we're talking about racial issues and Being Black in America. That is conversation that is never unworthy. But I cannot join anyone in "knowing" for certain everything there is to know about what happened.

Now that Zimmerman is in jail and awaiting trial, we need to wait for the full facts and ensure that justice is done for Treyvon.

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112 replies	Author	Time	Post
How positive are you of Zimmerman's guilt or innocence? [View all]	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	OP
I'm certain that he shot an unarmed man and the man died.	Skidmore	Apr 2012	#1
Unarmed child.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#21
What?	janx	Apr 2012	#63
I'm referring to the countless posts here that refer to Trayvon as an "unarmed child".	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#65
In that case, make it known that you are doing so, please.	janx	Apr 2012	#69
He sure as fuck was a child.	Iggo	Apr 2012	#77
He was a child. He couldn't vote, drink, sign a contract. He was a child, under the care of his	MADem	Apr 2012	#91
Isnt 17 at least the age of consent in FL?	Becka2515	Apr 2012	#107
In some states it's 16...	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#111
Thank you	madokie	Apr 2012	#84
We don't know for certain. And it's pretty clear the local cops made sure we wouldn't know. n/t	Ian David	Apr 2012	#2
I'm certain it's at least manslaughter.	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2012	#3
I concur.	bayareamike	Apr 2012	#46
Results are in.	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2012	#56
I'm sure that he should be charged.	cali	Apr 2012	#4
+1 n/t	iscooterliberally	Apr 2012	#8
No idea whatsoever	gratuitous	Apr 2012	#5
I am certain he deserves his day in court PRONTO that way he can try to clear his name	Vincardog	Apr 2012	#6
The thing I really wonder about..	X_Digger	Apr 2012	#7
I have no idea	zappaman	Apr 2012	#9
Yes, the amount of clairvoyance around here is astounding.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#22
holy crap a voice of fucking reason :p	Mysfyt	Apr 2012	#37
There's too much evidence that we haven't seen yet	rbixby	Apr 2012	#10
I'm certain he pursued an unarmed person who wasn't breaking any laws and pursued him	WI_DEM	Apr 2012	#11
I know that he pursued and shot to death an innocent unarmed young man.	AtomicKitten	Apr 2012	#12
I'm certain there should be a trial	d_r	Apr 2012	#13
We know he killed that kid....	ingac70	Apr 2012	#14
I'm not certain...	hamsterjill	Apr 2012	#15
No positive of either...	ileus	Apr 2012	#16
He's floated multiple accounts	pokerfan	Apr 2012	#17
Add that to the Zimmerman family lies	Boabab	Apr 2012	#49
I'm certain that Zimmerman shot Trayvon...	polichick	Apr 2012	#18
I'm sick of this topic and I am perfectly content with waiting for the jury to decide the verdict.	Quantess	Apr 2012	#19
I'm certain the police fucked up and there should be a trial. after that.........	slampoet	Apr 2012	#20
Depends...	Ohio Joe	Apr 2012	#23
I'm positive there's enough to charge him with a crime	WolverineDG	Apr 2012	#24
Am I 100% sure Zimmerman needed to use deadly lethal force?	Life Long Dem	Apr 2012	#25
I believe that Zimmerman hunted Trayvon just as a hunter tracks down a deer. n/t	RebelOne	Apr 2012	#26
So that whole "innocent until proven guilty" just doesn't apply?	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#28
Since Zimmy admitted he killed Trayvon, is he still "innocent until proven guilty"?	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#31
Innocent of murder? Well, yes, until proven otherwise.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#35
He is guilty of killing Trayvon. Even before jury rules it.	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#36
I realize you didn't. That was the whole point.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#41
Self-defense went out the window when GZ initiated the confrontation	Boabab	Apr 2012	#52
IF Zimmerman initiated the PHYSICAL confrontation, you would be right.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#61
People being stalked have no right to do anything physical until it happens to them? Huh.	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#70
So you believe in pre-emptive strikes? Huh.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#75
You stalk me. I push you. You shoot me. Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying what you believe is good.	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#80
That's great that you know EXACTLY what happened that night. You were there, I take it?	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#95
Good grief. I wasn't talking ONLY about Zimmy/Trayvon and neither were you...	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#96
I actually WAS speaking about Zimmerman.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#97
They do have a right to protect themselves	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#109
Can you prove he was merely speaking to the boy?	vaberella	Apr 2012	#72
I cannot PROVE anything, and neither can you. We weren't there.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#74
Speaking to someone very much can be considered assault	obamanut2012	Apr 2012	#108
how does an individual's opinion, which carries zero legal weight and zero legal consequence...?	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#82
I just think we should also presume people are innocent until proven guilty	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#86
I don't believe that voicing an honest and sincere opinion is casting stone...	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#89
I think YOU can do what you want, but you have one hell of a nerve telling the rest of us what "we"	MADem	Apr 2012	#93
"hyperbolic overly dramatic" ... you just summed up your response	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#94
You're not talking to a juror. We don't have to be impartial here.	MADem	Apr 2012	#92
It's a presumption of innocence which a legal right of the accused	BklnDem75	Apr 2012	#112
Zimmerman thinks he's guilty.	randome	Apr 2012	#27
If he called the prosecutor then that to me is a sign of guilt.	Life Long Dem	Apr 2012	#34
I am 100% positive that	BootinUp	Apr 2012	#29
If Zimmerman hadn't been out racially profiling, Trayvon would have gotten home with his skittles	Liberal_in_LA	Apr 2012	#45
100% certain that he committed a crime, several in fact.	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#30
I am positive that he shot Trayvon...	tallahasseedem	Apr 2012	#32
He certainly did wrong	rrneck	Apr 2012	#33
I can't claim to be certain of what happened; that's what a trial is for.	Spider Jerusalem	Apr 2012	#38
That's freepers for you	treestar	Apr 2012	#39
Ummm...look around here.	Common Sense Party	Apr 2012	#42
i think it will really suck	Mysfyt	Apr 2012	#40
We know for sure that he shot the kid.	MrSlayer	Apr 2012	#43
Depends on what he's charged with.	Kaleva	Apr 2012	#44
75 % sure he's guilty (even under that fucked-up Florida law). 100% sure he should be arrested ...	11 Bravo	Apr 2012	#47
With his past violence in mind, I think it was 2nd Degree Murder	ecstatic	Apr 2012	#48
FR is certain he's innocent?	Cali_Democrat	Apr 2012	#50
Not all freepers are.	janx	Apr 2012	#54
No reasonable doubt in my mind, except whether they can find 12 jurors to convict him in Florida.	Hoyt	Apr 2012	#51
I'm certain he stalked and shot an unarmed teenager who went to buy candy.	DevonRex	Apr 2012	#53
I think the media is not the place to hold a "trial"	ctaylors6	Apr 2012	#55
Did his actions result in a death? Yes.	BeHereNow	Apr 2012	#57
Rule 1. If the alibi keeps changing, somebody lying.	hobbit709	Apr 2012	#58
from what we know, it is pretty clear that the vigilantie is guilty of murder	got root	Apr 2012	#59
I'm positive he killed Trayvon.	Lizzie Poppet	Apr 2012	#60
We don't have the details yet.	applegrove	Apr 2012	#62
Important evidence has not yet been presented	Lurks Often	Apr 2012	#64
I am absolutely 100% positive that	hootinholler	Apr 2012	#66
Funny.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#68
Neither positive nor negative - this is for a court to decide	Taverner	Apr 2012	#67
I am certain that Trayvon was the victim of malicious intent.	vaberella	Apr 2012	#71
I am 100% certain that he stalked Trayvon and that resulted in his death. nt	Incitatus	Apr 2012	#73
I'm 100% certain I know nothing beyond what the flappy-armed media has screamed at me.	Throd	Apr 2012	#76
I'm 100% certain that much of what is written above is wrong.	SlipperySlope	Apr 2012	#78
problem is we don't know anything.	shimonitanegi	Apr 2012	#79
99 percent sure he's guilty on multiple crimes, barring some new facts being revealed	Blue_Tires	Apr 2012	#81
I'm certain that what he did was morally wrong and foolish, and that Trayvon should not have died	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#83
I am, for all practical purposes, certain he shot and killed an unarmed juvenile.	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#85
Not certain of anything. Will be anxious to see trial. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#87
After the Duke University incident, I never know anything	Prism	Apr 2012	#88
With all due respect...	BronxBoy	Apr 2012	#100
You've misread the reference	Prism	Apr 2012	#104
The man with the gun is alive. The kid with the candy is dead.	MADem	Apr 2012	#90
I'm pretty sure he is guilty..	sendero	Apr 2012	#98
Have you had false accusations made against you regarding your Zimmerman desires? nt	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#99
There have been several..	sendero	Apr 2012	#101
That can annoy me as well.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#105
100% sure he killed a black juvenile	Curmudgeoness	Apr 2012	#102
Outside of court, away from the record, having coffee?	Zax2me	Apr 2012	#103
I presume he is innocent.	DefenseLawyer	Apr 2012	#106
He had a gun, he pursued even though instructed to stand down.	NorthCarolina	Apr 2012	#110

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