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In the discussion thread: Dear White Folks - great piece in Ebony [View all]

Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:13 AM

cali (81,242 posts)

13. thank you for putting that so well.

you are exactly right when you say "it precludes any hope of mutual understanding".

And I hate that crap about how if you're not a woman or poor or black or jewish or whatever, you can't possibly understand. People of empathy and understanding may not be able to understand precisely, but of course they can largely get it.

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204 replies	Author	Time	Post
Dear White Folks - great piece in Ebony [View all]	malaise	Apr 2012	OP
I think Zimmerman should be locked up	Syrinx	Apr 2012	#1
I think you miss the point	zentrum	Apr 2012	#27
Very well said, and underscored by me. nt	Mira	Apr 2012	#29
Well said and applies to too many of the responses to this article	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#35
Well said!!! One has to be in the other persons shoes to really understand their	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#44
+1	uponit7771	Apr 2012	#79
YES	marshall gaines	Apr 2012	#94
excellent response, zentrum	Carolina	Apr 2012	#99
I wish I could mark this as a favorite.	Jazzgirl	Apr 2012	#112
Excellent post	malaise	Apr 2012	#172
Sad but very true, unfortunately.	AverageJoe90	Apr 2012	#195
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Maraya1969	Apr 2012	#41
Exactly.	zentrum	Apr 2012	#51
I don't want to trivialize what happened to you	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#60
"I made the mistake of walking in a majority black neighborhood..."	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#78
This is an excellent response! nt	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#82
"...I made the mistake of walking in a majority black neighborhood, .." Why was this a "mistake"?	uponit7771	Apr 2012	#80
Bravo! I doubt it even happened and that the poster who	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#163
Good question	Dorian Gray	Apr 2012	#200
A lot more black people killed by blacks	brush	Apr 2012	#91
A lot more black people killed by blacks	brush	Apr 2012	#92
because they want to divert away from what happened here	olderlib	Apr 2012	#185
It's not the pervasiveness of guns, either.	Atypical Liberal	Apr 2012	#104
that "black on black" mess is just a red herring	SemperEadem	Apr 2012	#111
Some bad abuse of math in that article...	Ka hrnt	Apr 2012	#127
ya,... sure... if you say so	SemperEadem	Apr 2012	#155
Thanks for the article. Interesting stuff, indeed.	AverageJoe90	Apr 2012	#197
And no one EVER gets robbed in white neighborhoods, right?	Erose999	Apr 2012	#170
ugh. the author loses me by lumping ALL white people together	cali	Apr 2012	#2
+1	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#4
Thank you	sarge43	Apr 2012	#8
thank you for putting that so well.	cali	Apr 2012	#13
true. As soon as you say. "you CAN'T understand"	BlancheSplanchnik	Apr 2012	#117
+1000 +++ n/t	RKP5637	Apr 2012	#46
Well said! nt	Raine	Apr 2012	#109
Well said.	Ka hrnt	Apr 2012	#128
I can understand perfectly what he is saying.....	secondwind	Apr 2012	#20
It's also	pintobean	Apr 2012	#43
Don't be over-sensitive. You should pay closer attention to what he actually said.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#174
Ebomy..... Or Ebony? Nt	xchrom	Apr 2012	#3
Typo	malaise	Apr 2012	#5
The white privileged class is NOT necessarily ALL white people.	fasttense	Apr 2012	#6
Good points that need repeating (perhaps in an OP?). Thanks -n/t	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#166
All whites have privilege, regardless of income.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#171
The Expression "We are All Trayvon Martin"	On the Road	Apr 2012	#7
That's how I take this article too.	obxhead	Apr 2012	#30
Yes makes it kind of hard to know what to do	Raine	Apr 2012	#108
Thank you for this. I'm going to pass it around. nt	Sarah Ibarruri	Apr 2012	#9
"It is time to stop denying racism and defending White privilege, distracting and deflecting with	retread	Apr 2012	#10
oh bullshit. Not agreeing with this ill thought out screed does not	cali	Apr 2012	#15
So you don't deny that you benefit from being white ?	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#76
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"	retread	Apr 2012	#159
I have imagined all that and more	lunatica	Apr 2012	#11
good post. well made point.	cali	Apr 2012	#17
None of that compares to the horror of being Clarence Thomas.	Nye Bevan	Apr 2012	#33
Department of Critical Culture, Gender and Race Studies at Washington State University.	stonecutter357	Apr 2012	#12
I would say in his defense	treestar	Apr 2012	#47
I was robbed and pistol whipped...	meaculpa2011	Apr 2012	#14
I'm so sorry.	AverageJoe90	Apr 2012	#196
I don't think he backed off.	meaculpa2011	Apr 2012	#202
Thanks for sharing this	wellstone dem	Apr 2012	#16
Great post.	secondwind	Apr 2012	#23
The author seems to just want to shame white people because they won't be profiled	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#18
Believe me a lot of white people are very ignorant about how bad it is.	mucifer	Apr 2012	#19
There's plenty of people ignorant about many things in the world	Daniel537	Apr 2012	#26
I am a white woman and I did not get the same feeling from the article.	mucifer	Apr 2012	#28
I woke up only recently myself. nt	AverageJoe90	Apr 2012	#198
Acknowledging a problem, an inequity is the first step in long term change.	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#39
Sorry but ETHNIC white people are always suspicious of the power structure.	slampoet	Apr 2012	#21
I cannot believe the responses to this post! When did we	secondwind	Apr 2012	#22
David Leonard is white n/t	malaise	Apr 2012	#25
oh for pity's sake. It's just flat wrong to lump any group of people into one stereotype.	cali	Apr 2012	#31
Why do you feel ashamed of us?	lunatica	Apr 2012	#32
Actually the article seems to be about what white people cannot feel ...	GOTV	Apr 2012	#85
Dear David Leonard	mactime	Apr 2012	#24
Bringing up that 2007 murder is a kneejerk racist reaction	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#50
Just pointing out the lopsidedness	mactime	Apr 2012	#54
I think you made his point instead	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#55
I did not know the point was to list examples of white victimhood	mactime	Apr 2012	#58
So you dredged up a 5 yr old example of 'white victimhood'	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#63
Wow did not expect this kind of vitriol	mactime	Apr 2012	#75
Poor you, you can stop backpedaling	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#77
I am having some trouble with my memory	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#34
Playing the "race denial" card on DU	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#36
Time to pay the piper	FrodosPet	Apr 2012	#52
Martin luther king would be proud.	Muskypundit	Apr 2012	#100
Which posts in this thread make either of the first two claims you alledge?	GOTV	Apr 2012	#86
since mine is post #36, the posts I refer to must have been earlier	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#90
Yes, if they existed they would have been posted earlier, but since you listed no examples ...	GOTV	Apr 2012	#105
uh huh	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#113
Simple to list one. Can't do it?	GOTV	Apr 2012	#160
I am not interested in being badgered by race baiters	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#161
Backtracking apology accepted	GOTV	Apr 2012	#165
The Great White Hope	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#167
Nice post	malaise	Apr 2012	#153
Thanks Malaise for posting the thread	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#162
As a parent, the part of the Trayvon story that hurts and angers me most	Greybnk48	Apr 2012	#37
And they had his cell phone	malaise	Apr 2012	#56
This "I am not Trayvon Martin" meme is just a way for certain white people to pose as "enlightened"	aikoaiko	Apr 2012	#38
unfortunately the people that need to read this	Enrique	Apr 2012	#40
But at least some of them will read it here	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#70
It's Still Easier To Be White Than A Person Of Color In This Country	DemocratSinceBirth	Apr 2012	#42
Reperations NOW!	FrodosPet	Apr 2012	#45
Dear Black Folks	Aerows	Apr 2012	#48
That's my dream	malaise	Apr 2012	#106
Not very well put, but I agree with parts	FightForChange	Apr 2012	#49
What a shame...	99Forever	Apr 2012	#53
The Argument Is It's Invisible	DemocratSinceBirth	Apr 2012	#57
you probably cash some in everyday without realising it nt	independentpiney	Apr 2012	#59
+1000 nt	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#98
You misunderstand what the term means	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#61
well said, and helpful, Marrah_G. thank you. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#140
If you have never been arrested for being White, then you are already cashing in your privilege.	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#62
Well said	malaise	Apr 2012	#71
Did I defend ..	99Forever	Apr 2012	#83
If you actually think that Blacks wouldn't be treated even worse under the same circumstances, then	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#88
If you want to...	99Forever	Apr 2012	#89
Where to cash in?	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#67
Okay, I agree. Now what?	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#64
I think it's funny that the author references "The Brady Bunch" and gets CINDY wrong. Really. nt	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#65
LOL. The Brady Bunch references jumped out at me too.	RZM	Apr 2012	#66
Thisis a good and valuable article. Anyone who thinks it is possible to live in another's skin	annabanana	Apr 2012	#68
uh no. you can be empathetic. BIG Difference.	cali	Apr 2012	#102
this cannot be clearer	Baitball Blogger	Apr 2012	#69
Some valid points poorly done.	JNelson6563	Apr 2012	#72
Its a crying ass shame	madokie	Apr 2012	#73
+1. nt	bemildred	Apr 2012	#74
k&r	Starry Messenger	Apr 2012	#81
the focus should be on zimmerman	noiretextatique	Apr 2012	#84
Honestly I can't imagine except in my nightmares.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#87
When I was a young girl I remember reading a classic book called	malaise	Apr 2012	#116
I haven't read "Black Like Me" yet.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#119
I just told a co-worker/friend about this book.	Uncle Joe	Apr 2012	#177
He had to leave the South	malaise	Apr 2012	#187
EXCELLENT	marshall gaines	Apr 2012	#93
Once again as a white autistic	aspieextrodinare	Apr 2012	#95
say what? How could your come and kill you tomorrow and not be punished for it?	cali	Apr 2012	#103
It isn't illegal to kill an autistic like me	aspieextrodinare	Apr 2012	#132
the point is, if you were also black, you would be more threatened than you are.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#143
I have several friends who are both black and on the spectrum	aspieextrodinare	Apr 2012	#173
as atrocious as that horror is, as indecent as those facts are, things are even more	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#178
what do you mean non-literal speech?	maddezmom	Apr 2012	#186
You misunderstand what privilege means	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#154
you say it so succintly! i had just posted almost the same, but you put it so directly!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#179
You're welcome	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#180
So there would be a 96% chance of me never finding meaningful employment	aspieextrodinare	Apr 2012	#183
K&R	DeSwiss	Apr 2012	#96
This message was self-deleted by its author	americaninohio	Apr 2012	#97
oh goody. a live one.	cali	Apr 2012	#101
I'm half a white folk	Tveil	Apr 2012	#107
I'm half a white folk too	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#121
Well said	malaise	Apr 2012	#146
When you address any racial group as some universal group think mob, you sound racist.	Kurska	Apr 2012	#110
"it is never okay to lump together the thoughts feelings and experiences of an entire people"	Generic Other	Apr 2012	#122
This is racist. nt	Liquorice	Apr 2012	#114
I am not black but that doesn't mean I don't feel your outrage because I do. You should be able	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#115
I think poor white people also get a rotten deal but they can disappear	malaise	Apr 2012	#118
so true. I hate racists. I just wasn't raised that way. Of course I come from a lower middle	southernyankeebelle	Apr 2012	#120
We weren't allowed to go to slumber parties but there were no issues about race	malaise	Apr 2012	#123
with all due respect	Skittles	Apr 2012	#124
Peter? Jan? Bobby? Are all white people the Brady Bunch?	Crunchy Frog	Apr 2012	#125
As a 59 year old WASP, I think I'm going to subscribe.	ellie_belly	Apr 2012	#126
This article is bull. How does this guy presume to walk in another's shoes...	Honeycombe8	Apr 2012	#129
"White America is never suspicious."	napoleon_in_rags	Apr 2012	#130
But you answered your own question	malaise	Apr 2012	#145
It's harder for middle class black youth, but not true they have no chance....	Honeycombe8	Apr 2012	#190
Money just feels like the deepest issue to me.	napoleon_in_rags	Apr 2012	#191
You can get a pass whenever you want it. Black people don't have that option.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#192
There are white people in the ghetto, when you look at the bid idea of what it is.	napoleon_in_rags	Apr 2012	#194
I agree with you about the poverty	kwassa	Apr 2012	#204
This post was hidden by jury decision.	webDude	Apr 2012	#131
We'll file this thread as Exhibit #3869 for why racism cannot be discussed on DU.	Number23	Apr 2012	#133
I'll file your post under	cali	Apr 2012	#134
You do whatever you feel you need to do.	Number23	Apr 2012	#138
*	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#136
This thread did nothing but prove StrongBlackMan's point, didn't it?	Number23	Apr 2012	#139
yes. i am shaking my head, and all over, from reading it.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#141
Trayvon's parents	mimi85	Apr 2012	#135
It's so odd that these "new posters" have been violently attacked by Blacks...	Walk away	Apr 2012	#137
Amazing isn't it	malaise	Apr 2012	#144
you found words i was searching for, thank you so much, Walk away. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#147
Ha-ha. Methinks you are on the cusp of a great	coalition_unwilling	Apr 2012	#164
thank you for posting that, malaise. it would, of course, receive fierce resistance, but	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#142
Cool	malaise	Apr 2012	#148
*	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#156
stupid will almost always get pushback from me.	cali	Apr 2012	#150
aren't you on a fierce roll, cali? why has this gotten to you so badly?	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#157
I can't understand, but I can empathize. I can care.	Scuba	Apr 2012	#149
If you are white and you can't see this point, then you are proving it.	6000eliot	Apr 2012	#151
Exactly...Folks are blind	HipChick	Apr 2012	#152
(light coming on)YES!!!! excellent!! in such clear words, thank you so very much, 6000eliot!!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#158
His point is built on a straw man.	aikoaiko	Apr 2012	#169
His point is that you can't possibly have the same life experience as Trayvon	kwassa	Apr 2012	#176
exactly nt	olderlib	Apr 2012	#182
Another crappy article that misses its audience completely...	MellowDem	Apr 2012	#168
What does "We're all Martin" mean to you?	kwassa	Apr 2012	#175
it bugs me when whites say 'we're all Martin'	olderlib	Apr 2012	#184
Great article!	olderlib	Apr 2012	#181
I don't get it either	malaise	Apr 2012	#188
thanks! nt	olderlib	Apr 2012	#189
Fail. Too much 'white people' grouped together here.	Zax2me	Apr 2012	#193
If I understand this piece correctly,	NashvilleLefty	Apr 2012	#199
That simple	malaise	Apr 2012	#201
Wait, Zimmerman is white?! #mindblown. nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#203

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