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cleduc

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207. I didn't look at how long it took to cover the bodies

Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:06 AM

Aug 2014

I did look at EMS for Brown. The police logs show them being called at 12:04 - right after the shooting. And there is video of them attending to Brown, checking his pulse, etc.

The outstanding question I have is why EMS did not arrive sooner than they did. They arrived fairly shortly/minutes after the shooting - it wasn't hours later. But when they arrived, police tape was already up all around the crime scene so it was more than a couple of minutes. The EMS guy walked to Brown - no jogging or rushing.

It's possible EMS were told it was kind of a formality because Brown was dead and his brains on the road. That was apparent to a number of the bystanders who shot the crime scene videos. They yelled out at the EMS guy "he's dead!" or something to that effect.

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My theory as to why Michael Brown's body lay in the street for at least 5 hours [View all] CatWoman Aug 2014 OP

I also think it was deliberate disrespect shown to a person of color. Cleita Aug 2014 #1

yep CatWoman Aug 2014 #2

Yes PatSeg Aug 2014 #127

I think this is key. It wasn't a direct fuck you to the community, rather an subconscious, Ed Suspicious Aug 2014 #223

Yes, just an extension PatSeg Aug 2014 #226

all of the above BaggersRDumb Aug 2014 #155

That's exactly what it was. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #3

No, it's called processing a crime scene properly Lurks Often Aug 2014 #4

um CatWoman Aug 2014 #5

And every crime scene is different and processed accordingly. Lurks Often Aug 2014 #12

very true CatWoman Aug 2014 #22

I'm sorry for your loss, but that doesn't make you Lurks Often Aug 2014 #26

Are you a law enforcement professional? bklyncowgirl Aug 2014 #36

I have had some law enforcement training and education Lurks Often Aug 2014 #42

You are wrong. Not normal for a crime scene body to lie uncovered for that long. Tommymac Aug 2014 #72

I looked up a few shootings and deaths on google randomly cleduc Aug 2014 #179

How about how long it took to cover those bodies? cui bono Aug 2014 #206

I didn't look at how long it took to cover the bodies cleduc Aug 2014 #207

"Some law enforcement training and education" LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #137

Do some reading and educate yourself Lurks Often Aug 2014 #140

YOU FAILED TO ANSWER ..... the question. LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #144

.. CatWoman Aug 2014 #242

Working security at the Tastyfreeze doesn't count. Shivering Jemmy Aug 2014 #192

Ah yes, cheap, ignorant personal attacks Lurks Often Aug 2014 #208

Just answer the question you've been asked--you're inviting comment by being coy. MADem Aug 2014 #230

You get the answer because you asked politely Lurks Often Aug 2014 #232

Were you an MP/MAA with the attendant MOS/NEC or was this a collateral assignment? MADem Aug 2014 #234

National Guard tasked with the Combat Support mission Lurks Often Aug 2014 #235

HIPAA is supposed to preserve privacy for a half century after death, but in reality, privacy MADem Aug 2014 #237

HIPAA becomes somewhat of a gray area when a criminal investigation Lurks Often Aug 2014 #238

That's why one of those pop up tents would have been perfect. MADem Aug 2014 #241

no CatWoman Aug 2014 #60

. Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #168

... CatWoman Aug 2014 #171

You know a white victim heaven05 Aug 2014 #113

BULLSHIT!! I have had the unfortunate experience to happen across the body of a minister Ecumenist Aug 2014 #138

Here's a guide to crime scene protocol Lurks Often Aug 2014 #142

Can you tell me HOW MANY HOMICIDES you've investigated? HOW MANY murders of UNARMED Ecumenist Aug 2014 #150

Why did Michael Brown receive no medical attention? Is that police protocol also? sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #161

Sabrina, Lurks has a bootleg Palinesque sorta kinda legal education and apparently, they are also Ecumenist Aug 2014 #184

I understand, thought I might get an answer to my question, but that might be beyond the sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #199

Lurks seems to be one of the trolls who are determined to somehow justify the out and out Ecumenist Aug 2014 #202

Kansas City, MO guidelines for when a victim is treated or not by EMT's Lurks Often Aug 2014 #210

According to the link the EMT's did check Michael Brown Lurks Often Aug 2014 #209

see the video I just posted twice down below, I think the dude with medical kit snooper2 Aug 2014 #215

And you are not? Matariki Aug 2014 #219

Indeed cvoogt Aug 2014 #204

He wasn't uncovered for 5 hours, more like 10-12 minutes FYI snooper2 Aug 2014 #130

In a Chris Hayes interview last night, MindPilot Aug 2014 #141

That's why all the speculation and random people just saying things isn't "evidence" snooper2 Aug 2014 #214

And what's your source? nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #158

Um, the video everyone should have watched by now snooper2 Aug 2014 #212

So Are There Any Photos Of The Processing Of The Crime Scene?...... global1 Aug 2014 #7

Is there any proof that they didn't process the crime scene? Lurks Often Aug 2014 #13

Can't prove a negative mahina Aug 2014 #28

Yup Lurks Often Aug 2014 #47

Who are you? ... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2014 #64

Aren't you cute Lurks Often Aug 2014 #66

Wow, isn't that special. Gemini Cat Aug 2014 #100

you're no expert heaven05 Aug 2014 #116

Which one is it? LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #139

And what qualifications do you have? Lurks Often Aug 2014 #143

Deflecting is NOT THE ANSWER LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #146

Copy... N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2014 #172

what you said CatWoman Aug 2014 #67

@N_E_1 for Tennis ... Read this link. Try door #2 Tommymac Aug 2014 #80

There is a video that is 10 minutes long that started about 2 minutes after it happened snooper2 Aug 2014 #131

I Saw That Too.... global1 Aug 2014 #157

But they didn't even allow a nurse who came upon the scene to even CHECK him! Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #8

As was stated in another thread Lurks Often Aug 2014 #14

As there was with James Brady after the assassination attempt... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #17

I don't recall that James Brady had brain matter all over the street Lurks Often Aug 2014 #39

Do you even listen to yourself when you talk? Jerry442 Aug 2014 #51

So what medical attention to you give to someone with Lurks Often Aug 2014 #71

Technically that patient is alive until someone declares him dead or rigor mortis has set in Horse with no Name Aug 2014 #79

+1 Tommymac Aug 2014 #81

...another +1 Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #169

Yes, but being "technically" alive is not as much fun as the real thing. immoderate Aug 2014 #201

Jury Results. I'll just say that I was in the minority on this one. stone space Aug 2014 #105

His Death Was Ruled A Homicide otohara Aug 2014 #106

You seem confused. ManiacJoe Aug 2014 #117

Hey Genius...YOU HAVE NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about....People survive DEVASTATING Ecumenist Aug 2014 #166

What do you think was coming from the bullet hole in his head... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #167

James Brady = white. Duh. Totally different. nt valerief Aug 2014 #74

Which is why JFK WASN'T taken to a hospital, right? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #174

Can't they process a crime scene with the body covered up? Iron Man Aug 2014 #10

You risk disturbing evidence Lurks Often Aug 2014 #21

Like bleeding out for 5 hours destroying pavement blood spatters doesn't. Tommymac Aug 2014 #85

Saving a life more important than preserving a crime scene. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #91

OMG, this is so ignorant. Bodies are covered ALL THE TIME, FGS. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #175

I have serious doubts about your CJ training. rbrnmw Aug 2014 #236

The only crime scene I've seen, the body was covered Patiod Aug 2014 #86

That also explains why the nurse couldn't approach to give First Aid. Octafish Aug 2014 #11

Holy Ouch, Batman! leftstreet Aug 2014 #19

Every human being represents an infinite miracle. Octafish Aug 2014 #34

That is beautiful! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #76

Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2014 #229

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #156

You A Special Little Snowflake, Fella, Ain'tcha.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #159

"They die." Yeah right. Sure they do. Talk is cheap. arcane1 Aug 2014 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2014 #163

'If anyone tries to steal from me, they die.' leftstreet Aug 2014 #162

Limp internet tough guys are coming out of the woodwork this week. arcane1 Aug 2014 #164

Yep leftstreet Aug 2014 #165

DId some tough talking rightwing moron say something like "steal from me and you die" BaggersRDumb Aug 2014 #178

No, it's call dis R-E-S-P-E-C-T. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #15

Believe what you like Lurks Often Aug 2014 #25

Actually you're speculating wildly too. What do you actually know? Lex Aug 2014 #43

It is standard police procedure in every major crime, especially a shooting, Lurks Often Aug 2014 #49

You don't know if it happened in THIS case. Lex Aug 2014 #50

You're reaching Lurks Often Aug 2014 #70

Unless you have proof they did follow standard procedure Lex Aug 2014 #73

@ Lex See my post #80. 'Splains a lot. eom Tommymac Aug 2014 #88

Yes it does. Lex Aug 2014 #120

I read about apologists like heaven05 Aug 2014 #124

Until that person was declared dead Horse with no Name Aug 2014 #82

+1 Tommymac Aug 2014 #89

Only we don't know when he was declared dead or by whom Lurks Often Aug 2014 #123

I have been a nurse for a quarter of a century Horse with no Name Aug 2014 #191

MO law appears to be different then where you live Lurks Often Aug 2014 #213

I see let the body decompose Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #23

and yet they didn't investigate properly lame54 Aug 2014 #24

Are you a cop? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #29

Probably just a cop apologist. n/t SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #102

I noticed crickets in response to my question, all of which triggered some vague memories VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #104

Are you talking about the old entrapment urban legend? JoeyT Aug 2014 #134

Oh, snap! Your awesome sarcasm aside, I think there is some sort of rule\law that says that VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #151

No. JTFrog Aug 2014 #195

And that myth leads to hundreds of arrests every year Recursion Aug 2014 #216

Yes... it is called proper crime scene protocol.... CherokeeDem Aug 2014 #30

At the end of one of the videos exboyfil Aug 2014 #37

Had the police officer been the one to die, I think it's safe to assume the Ferguson PD would have VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #38

After all the talk about the cop shooting in self defense, the scene is now a shraby Aug 2014 #41

Based upon your statement, the shooter should not have been avebury Aug 2014 #45

I heard it was a white SUV with no markings whatsoever, not a police vehicle Lurks Often Aug 2014 #58

Right. Tommymac Aug 2014 #90

So you have nothing useful to offer? Lurks Often Aug 2014 #95

No I am following Your lead. Tommymac Aug 2014 #99

you're like that famous heaven05 Aug 2014 #119

Thank you, I always love personal attacks Lurks Often Aug 2014 #125

You are NOT open to heaven05 Aug 2014 #129

I'm certainly open to discussion Lurks Often Aug 2014 #132

It's not that as you say heaven05 Aug 2014 #180

I'm waiting for you to discuss and give you your vaunted opinion on when someone with a brain Ecumenist Aug 2014 #181

Waaaaaaaa Lurks Often Aug 2014 #182

Is it that I've made up my mind or that you're admitting that you don't know what the fuck Ecumenist Aug 2014 #185

Oops, bad news for you Lurks Often Aug 2014 #186

Sure so EVERYONE else is lying, including the NURSE that begged them to let them ASSESS the Ecumenist Aug 2014 #187

I provided the link that shows the ambulance crew Lurks Often Aug 2014 #189

One more time, HOW MANY HOMICIDES HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED, LURKER? See, you're talking to the Ecumenist Aug 2014 #190

I'm with you. Sivafae Aug 2014 #93

Utter and outrageous nonsense. As a criminal defense msanthrope Aug 2014 #75

You were a lot shorter then I was, but straight to the point, I went on and on. happyslug Aug 2014 #114

That quickclot and celox stuff is amazing. I've seen it used. msanthrope Aug 2014 #148

I'm glad you showed up heaven05 Aug 2014 #126

I've been sick about this.....just sick. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #149

+1 COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #228

Why were there no portable curtains put around the body while processing it Marrah_G Aug 2014 #78

If that were the case Nativechef Aug 2014 #94

Leaving a person to die???? happyslug Aug 2014 #97

What law, please? Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #135

This is a Common Law Rule happyslug Aug 2014 #152

You've cobbled together a lot of pieces of law that don't really say what you think they say. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #183

If you read the report of the Attorney General she mentions the COMMON LAW. happyslug Aug 2014 #194

I've been an attorney for years, Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #196

I avoid tort law, it is NOT in my practice. happyslug Aug 2014 #197

Generally speaking, there is not strict liability for bullets (or arrows, for that matter). Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #205

Strict Liability applies to how they are USED.. happyslug Aug 2014 #222

If you have to examine the use, it is not strict liability. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #233

"Strict Liability" vs "Strict Rule of Extraordinary Care". happyslug Aug 2014 #239

Again - you are misstating the concept of strict liability. Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #240

Incorrect Lurks Often Aug 2014 #211

Missouri Law says otherwise. happyslug Aug 2014 #225

Believe what you wish Lurks Often Aug 2014 #227

I READ the documentation, such documents must be read strictly and carefully happyslug Aug 2014 #231

BS. It was the same deal when after they lynched someone they left the body up. Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #110

If that was the case... indie9197 Aug 2014 #115

No, it's not. See second shooting in nearby town where the body was removed in the NORMAL amount of sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #154

I would think trying to SAVE SOMEONE would come first!!!!!! You speak as though a coroner had been WinkyDink Aug 2014 #173

Yeah, and the crime scene is SUPPOSED to be processed ASAP! RoccoR5955 Aug 2014 #200

Oh yeah, leaving it out in the elements gollygee Aug 2014 #218

More like time to CYA n/t leftstreet Aug 2014 #6

That's exactly what it was. Iron Man Aug 2014 #9

That along with a long lecture what did you do? gordianot Aug 2014 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #18

How this is framed is the posters right especially on DU. gordianot Aug 2014 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #40

Emotions as they occur in humans are facts. gordianot Aug 2014 #59

Heads on pikes used to be how they gave that warning. MineralMan Aug 2014 #20

Yep, it's what they did back when they lynched black men. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #27

They didn't even have the decency to put up fucking privacy screens. (Those VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #31

I thought there were pictures with barriers setup around the body? hexola Aug 2014 #35

I was wondering why they didn't use those screens Quayblue Aug 2014 #44

Mass disrespect to his loved ones and, to a lesser extent, the VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #96

Did you see his father trying to get to him and being polly7 Aug 2014 #103

This is part of why people are angry Quayblue Aug 2014 #121

The crack staff of the Ferguson PD was busy underpants Aug 2014 #33

Like a public hanging Horse with no Name Aug 2014 #46

All they did is replace a hangmans noose with a gun HipChick Aug 2014 #54

Or a lynching... nt GliderGuider Aug 2014 #61

Why else? rock Aug 2014 #48

You don't move the body in a 840high Aug 2014 #52

Many years ago I witnessed a young man die in a motorcycle accident. Xithras Aug 2014 #53

Except the police car which was also a crime scene... vanlassie Aug 2014 #62

I can't deny... ReRe Aug 2014 #55

That was my thought on the matter. Same as when the 'strange fruit' Triana Aug 2014 #56

They should have instantly put the body in the SUV and driven to the coroner Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #57

That's exactly why the body lay there so long. Tatiana Aug 2014 #63

Does anyone know if a coroner visited the scene? GliderGuider Aug 2014 #65

Same reason as the Romans crucified people. Same reason the Saudis do so now even post execution. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #68

Heads on pikes in the Elizabethan era. Manifestor_of_Light Aug 2014 #69

A modern day lynching malaise Aug 2014 #77

Spot On. Like leaving the body hanging for days to warn those uppity black folks. Tommymac Aug 2014 #92

This, and now, the (little) Grand (white) Jury will delay their ? until mid-October... Amonester Aug 2014 #83

Agree. Even if they had to "process the crime scene," there are screens that can be placed Hoyt Aug 2014 #84

Isn't there some kind of a law regarding onecent Aug 2014 #87

Jesus Fucking Christ Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #98

I am so sorry that this is the reality for so many Generic Other Aug 2014 #101

They treated the parents of Travon Martin like they were asking them, "Is this dead cat yours?" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #107

Completely agree. Gemini Cat Aug 2014 #108

The same way lynchings in the South used to hang for a long time. dballance Aug 2014 #109

I like to think it was because they were throughly investigating. I seen B Calm Aug 2014 #111

Bwahahahaha! Yeah, okay: "thoroughly investigating." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #176

Good theory. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #112

I'll bet my rear if it were Wilson down, they would have put up screens or had police Hoyt Aug 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #128

I find that theory hard to dispute. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #122

Catwoman, as a black woman, that's EXACTLY what it was meant for It's the same thing Ecumenist Aug 2014 #133

nother black woman here CatWoman Aug 2014 #145

AMEN, Catwoman and they have the collosal nerve to make these comments while admitting Ecumenist Aug 2014 #147

exactly it's intimidation of a whole community. nt bench scientist Aug 2014 #136

The 5 hours were spent creating their lies. SummerSnow Aug 2014 #153

Racism would be my guess. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #170

That sort of speculation is fun, but not that useful. Vattel Aug 2014 #177

Certainly there's some historical context to suggest that gollygee Aug 2014 #188

They didn't know at the time it would be world news so you may be right. Kablooie Aug 2014 #193

Without a doubt. n/t elias49 Aug 2014 #198

Yes that is exactly what it is. Rex Aug 2014 #203

CatWoman is 100% correct. wolfie001 Aug 2014 #217

After listening to one by-standers' heartbreaking observations as myrna minx Aug 2014 #220

I'm sorry but I don't agree that it was a warning... Chakaconcarne Aug 2014 #221

what ever CatWoman Aug 2014 #243

Now, I just thought it was MurrayDelph Aug 2014 #224