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Zorra

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115. Yeh, those of us who want GMO food packages labeled, and who are concerned
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 01:37 PM
Aug 2014

about the possible effects of GMO's on the environment must be Fox News watchers, right? Or is it the fact that we are stifling corporate interests and profits that has you so upset about people with legitimate concerns about the environment, and what we put into our bodies?

I'm a vegetarian, have been an organic food farmer, and have used Mendelian genetics (within the same species) to breed plants and create unique hybrid plants with specific desired characteristics. I have never watched Fox News, haven't watched TV for several decades, and as a liberal, I wouldn't be caught dead in a Whole Foods store. And I don't tell people what they should eat.

GM technology enables technicians to place into a plant's genome genes from other species of plants, from bacteria, viruses, animals, etc...and there's no fucking way on earth that we can know the long term effects of this inter-species gene swapping at this point in time.

This is a legitimate concern for many people. Until Monsanto, etc. stops their "don't worry children, this stuff will never hurt you, move along now, (we have tons of profit to make)" propaganda, and proves that there will not be any health, environmental, etc. problems caused by this unnatural inter-species genetic modification process, people will have this legitimate concern. And there is no way to prove that GMO's are safe without testing them on large subject populations and natural environments over a period of many decades. What GMO marketing corporations are doing right now is testing their GMO's on us to make sure that they are safe, and, of course, making gazillions in profit while using us as their lab rats, and the earth as their lab environment.

It's simply not reasonable to turn so many brand new organisms loose on the planet without substantial research proving that these organisms will not be harmful in the long term. The "don't worry, if it breaks, we'll fix it" argument doesn't work with anyone but idiots and corporations drooling over major profits.

Regulation of genetically modified organisms in the European Union

The regulations concerning the import and sale of GMOs for human and animal consumption grown outside the EU involve providing freedom of choice to the farmers and consumers.[7] All food (including processed food) or feed which contains greater than 0.9% of approved GMOs must be labelled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_genetically_modified_organisms_in_the_European_Union


Twenty-Six Countries Ban GMOs—Why Won’t the US?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176863/twenty-six-countries-ban-gmos-why-wont-us

yes! undergroundpanther Aug 2014 #1
Indeed. HuckleB Aug 2014 #2
I wish some people on our side would watch Portlandia. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #3
So perfectly put. HuckleB Aug 2014 #4
Especially this guy: Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2014 #54
And this betsuni Aug 2014 #59
OMG! smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #67
I don't know if it's on DVD, sorry. betsuni Aug 2014 #74
what another steaming pile. Listen, how those pigs on the farm are raised impacts the environment KittyWampus Aug 2014 #5
Thanks for the claims. HuckleB Aug 2014 #6
In the interim, why do you hate democracy? Consumers can't closeupready Aug 2014 #14
Yes, baseless fear-mongering is so cool. HuckleB Aug 2014 #15
The articly you posted is full of baseless assumptions and accusations. cui bono Aug 2014 #60
Actually, Fox is a very apt comparison to the food fear mongerers. HuckleB Aug 2014 #86
Fox News: Who's afraid of GMOs? Let's serve up science without scare stories and eat without fear Zorra Aug 2014 #132
I thought you were not anti-science. HuckleB Aug 2014 #137
Fox News: Health myth: Are GMOs actually bad for you? Zorra Aug 2014 #133
Monsanto Threatens Fox Zorra Aug 2014 #135
+1 cui bono Aug 2014 #58
As for the bogus attack on "skeptics" ... HuckleB Aug 2014 #7
The salient point is that the 'best science' of any given moment might be proven wrong by the 'best Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #78
That's a simple excuse to ignore the science. HuckleB Aug 2014 #108
Conflating Ben Carson and Elaine Jones with GMO's is the "science was wrong before" fallacy. alp227 Aug 2014 #117
Article doesn't deny the point about pigs. alp227 Aug 2014 #99
Indeed. Food is not important at all to black liberals. This author hasn't a clue of the rural and Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #8
I like how you respond with something that addresses nothing. HuckleB Aug 2014 #10
I see. A black liberal is really a white liberal when they initiate sustainable rural & urban farms. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #25
LOL! HuckleB Aug 2014 #27
Considering your DU history ("I never met a Frankenfood I didn't like"), closeupready Aug 2014 #9
That is a very thoughtful response. HuckleB Aug 2014 #12
Honey, this ain't the first time we've gone to the mat. closeupready Aug 2014 #16
You're right. HuckleB Aug 2014 #18
Comparing apples and oranges. JaneyVee Aug 2014 #11
Nope. HuckleB Aug 2014 #13
Bzzzzt. Wrong answer. closeupready Aug 2014 #17
Rolling your eyes is so informative. HuckleB Aug 2014 #19
Indeed. GMO corn is showering the food insecure with its bounty. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #30
Of course, corn is the be all, end all of the matter. HuckleB Aug 2014 #32
Indeed. The poor are gorging themselves on alfalfa! Food insecurity is over! Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #35
I like you're supremely overt confession! HuckleB Aug 2014 #37
20 years into GMOs and "food insecurity" (i.e., starvation and hunger) has increased. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #38
Can you name that logical fallacy? HuckleB Aug 2014 #42
If I see any evidence that GMO producers are delivering food to humans that can digest it instead of Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #43
So you are still just making things up to defend your defenseless notions. HuckleB Aug 2014 #44
How in the world did New Yorker's survive until that first anemic tomato shipped from CA in the Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #47
Have you ever watched The World According to Monsanto? cui bono Aug 2014 #62
I'm not defending Monsanto. HuckleB Aug 2014 #88
Appropriate for food faddism. Archae Aug 2014 #22
Yep! And those who can afford it feel great about themselves! HuckleB Aug 2014 #24
I WANT THE WHITE LIBERAL LEAD PAINT POLICE OUT OF MY HOUSE NOW! Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #20
Is past ignorance the only thing you can offer to support your current claims? HuckleB Aug 2014 #21
What really worries me about the future of this country and the planet... HuckleB Aug 2014 #23
And, I take it, your forebears fought against the Allies in WWII? closeupready Aug 2014 #100
"Informed consumers." HuckleB Aug 2014 #103
LOL - it's a beautiful Saturday, and here you are. closeupready Aug 2014 #113
Oh, the irony. HuckleB Aug 2014 #114
Based on the FSOG and Belle Knox threads, I'd say white liberals get in a twist over sex as well... brooklynite Aug 2014 #26
Oh, come on! HuckleB Aug 2014 #28
Oh my god, what happens when kinky sex is combined with genetically modified strawberries and Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #49
Saturday night at my house. Holidays, too. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2014 #63
Honestly, I think the whole food combined with sex thing is vastly overrated. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #64
Does your spouse know? whistler162 Aug 2014 #70
Lol! No, she doesn't like strawberries. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2014 #80
How do you know a poster's race? RandiFan1290 Aug 2014 #68
Before you chase white liberals out of your kitchen, check with your doctor. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #29
Just like the author of the piece, I'm only chasing science and doctor despising liberals... HuckleB Aug 2014 #31
There's a great Ted talk on this topic loyalsister Aug 2014 #33
Indeed, a brilliant talk ... another great Ted talk by Michael Specter, adds to that. HuckleB Aug 2014 #34
If this OP is "liberal and progressive", then we have met the enemy, and he is us. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #36
If you mean pushing fiction based fears is wrong and harmful, then are on the money. HuckleB Aug 2014 #40
Yeah, we don't agree with you so we must watch Fox. Sounds like classic Fox. WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #46
yep, a ton of projection here. nt laundry_queen Aug 2014 #56
That's the point. HuckleB Aug 2014 #105
Yeh, those of us who want GMO food packages labeled, and who are concerned Zorra Aug 2014 #115
Yes. HuckleB Aug 2014 #121
In the video below, I'm the 14 yr. old liberal girl, and you are the old conservative Zorra Aug 2014 #125
You want to be the 14-year-old girl whose teachers and parents let her push pseudoscience? HuckleB Aug 2014 #127
A principled case against labeling products made with GMO's? *snarf* *giggle* Zorra Aug 2014 #130
Why does science scare you? HuckleB Aug 2014 #138
The enemy may well guard a bridge, pretending to be "liberal and progressive". WCLinolVir Aug 2014 #45
When asking the server how the animal being served delete_bush Aug 2014 #39
And the point of your post is....? HuckleB Aug 2014 #41
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #61
I buy organic because delete_bush Aug 2014 #52
I have noticed I've developed an acute intolerance to people talking about their gluten intolerance. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #48
I know people who don't eat gluten AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #51
It's very in. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #53
Or how all carbs are evil Freddie Aug 2014 #79
I want the corporatist Monsanto GMO goons out of my country... countryjake Aug 2014 #50
In other words... HuckleB Aug 2014 #89
There is no article of food that is 100% good for you. None. bluestateguy Aug 2014 #55
That analogy is off the mark. Not the same thing at all. cui bono Aug 2014 #57
One of the talking points for pro-GMO people to use against liberals is KurtNYC Aug 2014 #75
Actually, if you pay attention to what the "food movement" is doing, it is very much the same thing. HuckleB Aug 2014 #109
Not sure about that analogy.... MADem Aug 2014 #65
These people must be Natural News's reader base n/t marle35 Aug 2014 #71
Could be. nt MADem Aug 2014 #72
Epic fail. Scuba Aug 2014 #66
Certainly agree with that. Whoa. Cha Aug 2014 #69
I responded to snark with snark. HuckleB Aug 2014 #111
I don't give a fuck about GMOs or trendy diets CBGLuthier Aug 2014 #73
Last time I looked, some people just want to choose what they eat. djean111 Aug 2014 #76
That's the cliche. HuckleB Aug 2014 #92
So, you think people should just STFU and eat what they want, but not demand to know if djean111 Aug 2014 #96
Maybe the demands to "know what's in my food" alp227 Aug 2014 #101
Exactly. HuckleB Aug 2014 #107
How am I doing any such thing? HuckleB Aug 2014 #102
Conservatives love to project and bitch about liberals. Who is trying to dictate what an individual TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #95
Yup. Nailed it. djean111 Aug 2014 #97
Hogwash. HuckleB Aug 2014 #104
No, and if it was left to that I wouldn't make the charge but you want to eliminate consumer choice TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #119
And yet anti-GMO propagandists are trying to use law to foment fear and... HuckleB Aug 2014 #124
weak H2O Man Aug 2014 #77
Concerns for the rights and well-being of animals is not anything like sex moralism. Unvanguard Aug 2014 #81
GMO's are about profit not people. KG Aug 2014 #82
. LiberalElite Aug 2014 #83
I've been seen drinking inexpensive beer. hunter Aug 2014 #84
Excellent article. Iron Man Aug 2014 #85
This article illustrates that skeptics can be just as bone-headed as "woo" people. DanTex Aug 2014 #87
You seem to be taking things much too seriously. HuckleB Aug 2014 #91
I don't understand, what I am taking too seriously? DanTex Aug 2014 #93
First, pay attention to the "food movement." HuckleB Aug 2014 #106
Depends what you mean by the "food movement". DanTex Aug 2014 #110
Actually, if you look at much of his writing, and then look at the science... HuckleB Aug 2014 #112
Hmm, so he tweeted a headline from ChiTribune. DanTex Aug 2014 #116
I just gave you links that show some of the bad information he has spread. HuckleB Aug 2014 #122
If people cared as much about those who grow, process, package, ship and stock the food as they did Brickbat Aug 2014 #90
Stupid article based on a stupid and largely false and unsupported premise TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #94
I get it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #98
Challenged by unsupported bullshit that that equates wanting to know about your food to anti-gay TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #118
You clearly don't understand what the term "unsupported" means. HuckleB Aug 2014 #123
This is the best the Mosanto shills can do? U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #120
Yep. When you got no game, you lose. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #126
It's not a game. HuckleB Aug 2014 #129
I'm not anti-science. I'm anti-corporate bullshit. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #131
Nice cliche. HuckleB Aug 2014 #136
The irony will be lost on you, I'm sure. HuckleB Aug 2014 #128
I just don't see what the problem is with SOMEONE pointing out what senseandsensibility Aug 2014 #134
Doctors do so do it. HuckleB Aug 2014 #139
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