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CatWoman

(79,293 posts) Fri Aug 15, 2014, 06:41 PM Aug 2014

The "crime" committed by Mike Brown was shoplifting - NOT "stong arm robbery" [View all]

same as these people:

Arrested for stealing $5,500 worth of clothes and accessories at Saks Fifth Avenue in Beverly Hills (2001)

Walked out of a jewelry store with a $2,500 necklace (2011)

Allegedly stole a wig from the Hustler store in Hollywood and a lighter from a gas station (2007)

Admitted to stealing make-up from Wal-Mart when she was a teen

http://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-who-have-been-caught-shoplifting/celebrity-lists?format=SLIDESHOW&page=3

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The "crime" committed by Mike Brown was shoplifting - NOT "stong arm robbery" [View all] CatWoman Aug 2014 OP

I dont think he should have been killed. cwydro Aug 2014 #1

what I saw was the clerk being rebuffed CatWoman Aug 2014 #6

Doesn't matter if clerk grabbed him first. onenote Aug 2014 #105

Certainly not just stealing. 840high Aug 2014 #112

"Rebuffed" LOL maced666 Aug 2014 #136

I agree. If that was him, he committed shoplifting and assault. Chemisse Aug 2014 #92

No! It's rebuffing LOL! maced666 Aug 2014 #137

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. Chemisse Aug 2014 #142

Didn't look like shoplifting to me Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #2

Shoplifting (also known as boosting, five-finger discount, or shrinkage within the retail industry) CatWoman Aug 2014 #3

WOW! great post. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #8

Praise from Caesar? CatWoman Aug 2014 #10

You'll have to look I suppose Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #14

found it!! CatWoman Aug 2014 #19

I'm fine. I'm resting... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #23

:) pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #35

... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #39

Ed McMahon in da house! CatWoman Aug 2014 #126

nice to meet you Resting CatWoman Aug 2014 #47

Now you're just being sweet, but I'm too old to be green Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #49

same here CatWoman Aug 2014 #53

... Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #60

wikipedia is not the best source for how crimes are defined in Missouri. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #129

Yep. linuxman Aug 2014 #4

I'm sure the courts will allow your statement all the validity and credibility it warrants. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #20

Huh? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #25

Did he take the guys wallet or some item of his person? ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #65

What does that mean, resisting a merchant? Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #71

A merchant has the right to detain a person if they ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #72

That is interesting. Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #89

Perhaps assault. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #90

Perhaps Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #96

I am a lawyer. And his actions would amount to robbery in the second degree onenote Aug 2014 #106

According to those definitons, I see where that case could be argued. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #119

I don't think anyone here has even remotely suggested that shooting Brown was justified onenote Aug 2014 #120

Yes. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #123

People are charged with and convicted of forcible (second degree) robbery frequently. onenote Aug 2014 #127

Thanks for the info. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #131

Currently I'm a regulatory attorney and litigator onenote Aug 2014 #132

In Missouri, robbery = theft + violence (e.g. shoving the merchant). n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #130

Still doesn't justify getting shot. tenderfoot Aug 2014 #73

No shit!!! Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #74

Those claiming this incident was "robbery" SaltyBro Aug 2014 #5

BINGO!!! CatWoman Aug 2014 #7

It was robbery wercal Aug 2014 #11

I didn't see a weapon SaltyBro Aug 2014 #12

well CatWoman Aug 2014 #13

Strong arm is a legal term cwydro Aug 2014 #27

and in this case CatWoman Aug 2014 #29

No wercal Aug 2014 #59

"Usually" does not equal "are mandatory for the charge." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #69

Try looking up the definition OrwellwasRight Aug 2014 #116

Bullshit..... Logical Aug 2014 #63

Some of us are trying to clarify what the law is. onenote Aug 2014 #108

Theft + assault = robbery. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #9

FWIW... I was a grocery store clerk in 1983... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #15

In the days before CCTV Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #17

I just saw the CCTV of the convenience store incident... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #18

Which is irrelevant Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #22

Gotcha... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #26

I'm coming from having an actual understanding of the law: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #28

In what capacity do you have an "understanding of the law"? Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #30

I'm not a cop, if that's what you're asking. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #31

Robbery has different meanings in the law. Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #36

Doesn't matter if he was examined by medical professionals, or not? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #42

I can read... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #43

Are you sure you can? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #46

You didn't clearly say either... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #52

Yes, I did: Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #54

While I agree with that... Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #58

Doesn't matter if clerk shoved him first. onenote Aug 2014 #109

Even touching someone without permission can be assault. LisaL Aug 2014 #40

I'm basing what I said on a personal incident 30 years ago. Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #45

The timing of the release of info about the theft has no bearing on the definition of the crime. cui bono Aug 2014 #44

It means a lot - why today if they had this info days ago? Cooley Hurd Aug 2014 #50

I means a lot about something OTHER than whether or not this is strong-armed robbery cui bono Aug 2014 #66

Thank You unapatriciated Aug 2014 #16

Those video feeds are damaging yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #76

I saw them unapatriciated Aug 2014 #138

Whether he was a shoplifter, a strong-armed robber, or anything else, Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #21

That's the key point. I'm not one to think the video is totally irrelevant, but shooting someone Hoyt Aug 2014 #32

+1000000 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #93

I think the cops got their damn tapes and stories mixed up. Octafish Aug 2014 #24

Not sure I understand that being the problem facing democracy. JEB Aug 2014 #85

''Money trumps peace'' abroad and at home. Octafish Aug 2014 #134

This morning a local radio host said he had robbed a bank... kentuck Aug 2014 #33

While I have no doubt that the use of the term "strong-armed robbery" is intentional cui bono Aug 2014 #34

I think strong-armed robbery clarifes that it's not armed robbery. LisaL Aug 2014 #38

Yes. And "strong-armed" clarifies that it's not shoplifting. cui bono Aug 2014 #41

The threat of force is sufficient for a robbery charge. name not needed Aug 2014 #56

Britney Spears and (maybe?) Megan Fox. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #75

That's false. LisaL Aug 2014 #37

my op is based on observations from Brown's friends attorney CatWoman Aug 2014 #51

An unbiased source if there ever was one mythology Aug 2014 #79

I tend to not listen to armchair lawyers CatWoman Aug 2014 #111

But you have no problem in being one? onenote Aug 2014 #113

I fail to understand your claim CatWoman Aug 2014 #117

What I saw is an OP that declared (and still declares): onenote Aug 2014 #121

and yet your original response is to my post in which I reference to CatWoman Aug 2014 #122

Could you provide a link? onenote Aug 2014 #125

How about MO. state law? IronGate Aug 2014 #114

Yep it crossed the line when he assualted the clerk, rudolph the red Aug 2014 #55

As far as I know gvstn Aug 2014 #48

Nah it was alleged shoplifting standingtall Aug 2014 #57

Statute from website of lawyer on detaining suspect exboyfil Aug 2014 #62

Apparently a customer called the cops about the robbery. The store clerk did not. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #77

Why might that be? jberryhill Aug 2014 #83

Minor loss, perhaps, and the clerk did not want to deal with all tblue37 Aug 2014 #84

Well said. It's unbelievable how the police are trying to justify this heinous killing. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #61

They are trying to smear the murder victim, not necessarily "justify." WinkyDink Aug 2014 #70

Killing an unarmed kid is more serious JEB Aug 2014 #64

Who was the kid killed yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #78

Kid or adult, he's just as dead by brutal execution. JEB Aug 2014 #87

Lol. Fair enough yeoman6987 Aug 2014 #133

Your last sentence is a bit silly. But otherwise you're dead-on. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #94

I dont think Winona or Lindsay beat up the clerk on the way out of the store davidn3600 Aug 2014 #67

i notice you said nothing about Megan Fox... Enrique Aug 2014 #68

They are not dead in the street either. JEB Aug 2014 #80

+1 nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #95

i shouldn't laugh, this is a serious subject CatWoman Aug 2014 #98

Amidst all this discussion, it's easy to forget JEB Aug 2014 #99

beautiful words CatWoman Aug 2014 #100

Thanks. This whole story and JEB Aug 2014 #102

Thanks. Nor were they twice the size of the clerk; nor did they outweigh him/her by 200 lbs. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2014 #82

When was the clerk beat up. npk Aug 2014 #103

Once Mr. Brown put his hands on the clerk, IronGate Aug 2014 #107

Police always engage in charge inflation Warpy Aug 2014 #81

agreed bigtree Aug 2014 #86

In high school, I shoplifted a Bic lighter from Walgreens. HuckleB Aug 2014 #88

IF the person in the video is Brown then he did commit Strong-Arm robbery rustydog Aug 2014 #91

I heard that Brown's parents said it is him in the video. hamsterjill Aug 2014 #104

And even if a more serious charge might have been possible - based on the CCTV footage - nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #97

unreal Chimeradog Aug 2014 #101

It wasn't petit larceny/theft. IronGate Aug 2014 #110

Egad DustyJoe Aug 2014 #115

Ummm, his parents have already said it's him in the video IronGate Aug 2014 #118

The video is proof a strong arm robbery was commited by whoever is in the video. Lil Missy Aug 2014 #124

And how many of those occurred in Missouri? Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #128

Yeah they keep using that term to scare people. Rex Aug 2014 #135

Exactly. It was shoplifting. Vinca Aug 2014 #139

It was obviously so trivial that the store itself never called the cops MohRokTah Aug 2014 #140

Did you mean to say trivial? It may be that the store owner knew that calling the cops was useless rudolph the red Aug 2014 #141

thank you Chimeradog Aug 2014 #143