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In the discussion thread: I am a christian - and it affects ALL of my political views. [View all]

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:48 PM

Lionessa (3,894 posts)

80. No doubt, I do think I say that somewhere, but the point is they NEVER

make good christians since first and foremost to be a good christian, one has to believe in the whole christ myth, and we clearly do not.

I was more focusing on the idea that it isn't a religion that makes people good or bad, it's their humanity. Regardless of how religious on person may think they are, their religion is likely not supporting their ideals. For example, though Mother Teresa was a wonderful human, it wasn't her religion that held her up through all the crap and hardship and hatred her church threw at her, it was her own personal belief system which she attributed to her religion. Her religion didn't reciprocate for decades so it couldn't actually have been her religiosity that did the good, it was the goodness in her ownself that she forced and demanded be part of her religion.

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140 replies	Author	Time	Post
I am a christian - and it affects ALL of my political views. [View all]	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	OP
"So it's best to let the judgement part up to God and live and let live instead."	bloomington-lib	Apr 2012	#1
the USA is not founded as a christian nation. some of its founders were christians. there is a	msongs	Apr 2012	#2
small c not big C	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#4
Ok - some of the best christians i know are also athiests... Sorry, i missed the small "c"	peacebird	Apr 2012	#8
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read to date.	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#9
How about small c consistently compassionate.	Voice for Peace	Apr 2012	#18
Not to me. Atheists make good humans, not good christians no matter how twisty	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#21
just for balance.. I do know atheists who are arrogant egomaniacs	Voice for Peace	Apr 2012	#74
No doubt, I do think I say that somewhere, but the point is they NEVER	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#80
A beautiful post	me b zola	Apr 2012	#37
Well said. Thanks.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#72
Here's what my objection is.	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#81
There's an old story about the small-town folk that	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#99
That's mighty white of you.	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#126
Dial back the anger and hate. nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#127
What anger? What hate? I'm just trying to illustrate to christians why...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#128
haha	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#133
yes but even big wars start over very small silly things	Voice for Peace	Apr 2012	#110
Given that, christian as a word(capitalized or not) is meaningless...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#116
Insult after insult	dmallind	Apr 2012	#24
Totally unfair.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#95
Totally irrelevant	dmallind	Apr 2012	#108
You can't take a compliment. nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#121
That's a very good point	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#33
Maybe the point is that what Christ taught	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#82
Who's disputing that? nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#93
My point would then be	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#94
christian	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#129
Some of us can our knickers all in a twist over anything.	MissMarple	Apr 2012	#140
Christians are not "good people".	Marr	Apr 2012	#41
I am wiccan. I believe in the three fold law. That which I send out to the world returns 3x to me.	peacebird	Apr 2012	#3
Does the three fold law dictate that people deserve what they get?	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#15
Nope. That is not partof the three fold law. All it says is that what I send out into the world will	peacebird	Apr 2012	#16
I have never heard of that law!! but I've noticed the phenomenon	Voice for Peace	Apr 2012	#19
When i was ten a friends mom told me about karma, that youndon't need to "pay someone back" for	peacebird	Apr 2012	#20
You realize that when atheists ridicule and demean Christians for "illogical and unscientific"	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#100
I am sorry for our nation then, folks mixing their religions no matter	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#5
I AGREE	Skittles	Apr 2012	#12
You mean like Lincoln? Nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#29
Huh?what does Lincoln have to do with this thread?	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#30
He applied his religious beliefs to gov't.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#32
I'm sorry but christians of his time didn't agree with his perception of	Lionessa	Apr 2012	#35
Slavery's defenders were on more solid footing in the theological debate over slavery.	Marr	Apr 2012	#42
The letter of the law killeth,	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#48
Translation:	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#83
I'm curious about the reference to integrity	el_bryanto	Apr 2012	#71
I suspect your political views are what affects your religious views.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#6
you might be right	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#14
Not so sure about that.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#58
I am not sure what your point is.	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#88
Women pastors violate the "man as the head" idea.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#105
Yes, the church is probably liberal, or at least moderate. nt	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#112
I wish all Christians were like this...	liberalmuse	Apr 2012	#7
Christian nation?	Iggo	Apr 2012	#10
Thank you.	liberalmuse	Apr 2012	#11
And the two times religion is actually mentioned in the constitution it's negative.	Initech	Apr 2012	#34
Very well said in my opinion. nt	Live and Learn	Apr 2012	#13
Thank you, Rose.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#17
So because a minimum of 60% of the world's most generous philanthropists are nonbelievers	dmallind	Apr 2012	#25
I have no problem whatsoever with atheists.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#27
That is rich	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#38
Some atheists attack my belief system by acting superior.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#52
Oh, you have other ways to act superior, they are all over this thread...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#132
I think that you sound like a really good role model	Marrah_G	Apr 2012	#22
I was raised to be a Xian, but about 40 years ago I found this seminal quote	Air Marshal8	Apr 2012	#23
If God stops evil,	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#28
Seems like many Christians are nothing but automatons...	Tikki	Apr 2012	#31
How about if we skip the word "evil" and just focus on, say, tsunamis.	Marr	Apr 2012	#43
Because everything that lives must die. nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#118
If your baby died in a tsunami, you'd just sigh and say,	Marr	Apr 2012	#130
Is there evil in heaven? n/t	trotsky	Apr 2012	#50
No. Presumably there's no free will in heaven either.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#54
Sounds like a lovely place.	trotsky	Apr 2012	#67
One can't reduce the ineffable mind of God	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#75
Ah yes, "god works in mysterious ways."	trotsky	Apr 2012	#79
You are a legend in your own mind.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#86
Time for the dueling Einstein quotes already?	trotsky	Apr 2012	#98
Fair enough, but he also criticized atheism.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#101
He criticized what is classified as "strong" or gnostic atheism.	trotsky	Apr 2012	#102
Many people rejected Jesus during His lifetime.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#119
I guess we are just stupid or refuse to give up our evil ways.	trotsky	Apr 2012	#137
Now wait a minute.	Marr	Apr 2012	#104
The way humans see God changed greatly	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#120
So... what? Those wrathful episodes didn't actually happen?	Marr	Apr 2012	#131
If we have free will, "god" is superfluous	Air Marshal8	Apr 2012	#117
It does have a lot to do with upbringing	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#45
SmileyRose, a number of the Founding Fathers	JDPriestly	Apr 2012	#26
What on earth did people do before the Christians came along and invented good people?	MuseRider	Apr 2012	#36
Homo sapiens were all murderous assholes for 48,000 years.	Marr	Apr 2012	#44
Home School History 101.	Iggo	Apr 2012	#64
Homeschooling with a 48,000 year old earth? I don't think so.	DisgustipatedinCA	Apr 2012	#114
Excellent point, sir!	Iggo	Apr 2012	#115
So, are you saying that without your belief you would be a cruel, selfish, parasite? n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#39
You're confusing religion with morality	Major Nikon	Apr 2012	#40
Maybe	SmileyRose	Apr 2012	#46
Those aren't Christian values	lunatica	Apr 2012	#47
Abraham Lincoln's Christian faith in action:	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#49
George W. Bush's Christian faith in action:	trotsky	Apr 2012	#51
True. But I didn't "ignore" it.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#53
"Christianity can be used to justify many different and contradictory conclusions."	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#55
Oh, it's you again.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#56
Accepting diversity does not include tolerating intolerance.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#60
Some do, some don't.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#61
I find it curious how you only see whast you want to.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#66
Not an actual rebuttal, is it.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#77
Just following your lead.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#78
You'd expect something clever-er than that	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#87
Bwahahahaha! Even your Ad Hominem attacks are weak.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#107
Ad hominem, au contraire	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#122
Je le répète, "Weak and full of fail."	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#138
If it's grounded in unsugared porridge, will it be Scottish?	trotsky	Apr 2012	#68
You mean the same Lincoln that said this?	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#84
Whoa . . . never saw that before. Link? nt	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#85
I had heard them before and just did a quick google search for the actual wording	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#89
Sounds kinda bogus to me.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#91
I'm not putting any money on their authenticity	Goblinmonger	Apr 2012	#92
Sorry, but I disagree with your contention that the US is a Christian nation,	MadHound	Apr 2012	#57
Some of them were deist, some of them were Christian	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#62
More complicated than you think	MadHound	Apr 2012	#63
You might be right. I know he condemned Christianity brutally.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#76
I would be interested in any citation you have that he was a traditional Christian	grantcart	Apr 2012	#96
You probably won't find evidence for it on an atheist site.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#97
lol no but what does the site reference have to do with anything?	grantcart	Apr 2012	#113
I'm a christian, too. However, I would say this in response.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#59
I think anyone who uses their beliefs	Cairycat	Apr 2012	#65
Guess I can't count on your vote, then.	BiggJawn	Apr 2012	#69
but some Christians think we should I handle snakes and others picket funerals.	Kablooie	Apr 2012	#70
No one has the right to decide for another.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#90
Well done, SmileyRose.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#73
This country was "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."	PassingFair	Apr 2012	#103
This Atheist loves Christians like you	Taverner	Apr 2012	#106
Thank you for that message of respect. Back at you, nt.	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#123
BTW...I don't think you really want religion in politics	Taverner	Apr 2012	#139
I am an atheist, and I have to say that affects my politics, too....	mike_c	Apr 2012	#109
Oh great, a "left" theocrat is just as bad as a "right" theocrat...	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#111
Wow, there's so much straw in that straw man,	mistertrickster	Apr 2012	#124
Then what was the point of calling it, multiple times, a "Christian Nation"? n/t	Humanist_Activist	Apr 2012	#125
Most of the Founding Fathers were at least nominally Christian	jcboon	Apr 2012	#134
In one of the few references to religion during the constitutional convention...	bhikkhu	Apr 2012	#135
Respectfully I don't think it does.	Kablooie	Apr 2012	#136

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