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Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:32 PM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

96. Foolish, stupid, brainless argument. I can move to NC. I can't move to China.

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Since Free Traders believe America should lower its standard of living to help the rest of the world [View all]	Zalatix	Apr 2012	OP
Du rec. Nt	xchrom	Apr 2012	#1
Not that anyone said that	treestar	Apr 2012	#2
Actually, you did say we should accept a lower standard of living.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#3
How is that last sentence going to happen?	treestar	Apr 2012	#6
How do you explain your hatred of American workers?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#9
How is your last sentence, in your previous post going to happen?	treestar	Apr 2012	#32
"When made here, the cost will be such that only the 1% can afford them. Get real. "	Occulus	Apr 2012	#50
Treestar should have been around to tell that to Henry Ford.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#52
It's not working any more	treestar	Apr 2012	#161
Free trade isn't working anymore.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#165
You're not strong on history, are you?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#51
someone sure is frothing, that's for sure...	dionysus	May 2012	#193
Someone's backed very far into a corner.	Zalatix	May 2012	#194
if you are proud of that low rent browbeating...	dionysus	May 2012	#196
The dwindling number of free traders are browbeating themselves with their own lame arguments.	Zalatix	May 2012	#197
Oh, COME on. That's patently silly.	HughBeaumont	Apr 2012	#57
Sorry but the free traders have left with their tail between their legs.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#60
Indeed.	Marr	Apr 2012	#110
The factories moved there due to cheaper labor	treestar	Apr 2012	#160
And our wages are lower, too, why do you keep forgetting that part?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#190
Well I don't know the solution	treestar	Apr 2012	#191
Americans will pay a higher price for things. They have no choice.	Zalatix	May 2012	#195
Yeah right	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#66
Right on point Abel...!	happerbolic	Apr 2012	#68
You are superbly out of touch with reality.	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#150
Treestar, I understand what you're saying.	Doremus	Apr 2012	#192
Is it xenophobia to think companies that go to other countries....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Apr 2012	#140
No, I would support that	treestar	Apr 2012	#143
xenophobia	sudopod	Apr 2012	#157
LOL!!! Fell out of my chair laughing.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#184
America's standard of living has declined drastically since the 1970s	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#163
Imports are okay, as long as:	KamaAina	Apr 2012	#71
Well said, it seems Treestar wants to argue the straw man point	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#73
They are repeating their John Birtch Society talking points against anything that might	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#4
And you are repeating your hatred for America talking points	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#5
We have millions of non-citizens working here.	dkf	Apr 2012	#106
It's the old limited pie theory	treestar	Apr 2012	#7
Yes, anything a forigner has they stole from an American	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#8
People who defend sending American jobs overseas are sick-minded.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#11
Wow, you argue just like a right winger	treestar	Apr 2012	#24
You argue just like the Chamber of Commerce and the Heritage Foundation.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#49
Huh?	treestar	Apr 2012	#90
What IS your beef with American workers? We don't steal Swedish jobs. We don't steal anyone's jobs.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#93
So if a foreign company invests here	treestar	Apr 2012	#117
Again you don't understand what a trade deficit means.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#122
If a company invests here, it's to sell to OUR market, not to their own	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#145
You're not very good at this. nt	sudopod	Apr 2012	#158
You're never going to stop their longing for the 1800's These are the same people who hate	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#77
increasing homelessness = progress? decreasing wages in the face of rising costs = progress?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#80
Your definition of progress is impoverishing American workers.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#91
Yes, I wonder where they were when jobs moved from one state to another	treestar	Apr 2012	#92
Foolish, stupid, brainless argument. I can move to NC. I can't move to China.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#96
so do you.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#79
Why your sick-minded hatred of America is on its way out	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#13
The limited pie theory is true. We are losing jobs here. And you want to keep it that way.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#10
It is false and dumb	treestar	Apr 2012	#28
Why don't you tell our homeless kids that they need to lower their standard of living?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#30
Why don't you answer my point?	treestar	Apr 2012	#33
You have no point, except "Bleed America dry".	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#46
Answer the question	treestar	Apr 2012	#118
You STILL have no point, except "Bleed America dry of jobs". That has always been your point.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#123
Globalization has WORSENED the lot of the urban poor in India	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#146
The globalists always ignore this point.	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#151
Right....	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#82
I see you fled in terror from the prospect of explaining your Anti-America views to homeless kids	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#12
Notice the ones arguing with you never offer their own jobs up to be sent overseas?	NNN0LHI	Apr 2012	#17
Damned well said. And you'll REALLY never get a response to that.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#19
They can have my job	treestar	Apr 2012	#29
Bullshit. Why don't you quit your job now? A worker in China needs it.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#34
OK so you also advocate that no jobs come to the US from another country, right?	treestar	Apr 2012	#36
Bwaaaaaaahahahahahahahah do you even understand basic economics? Seriously?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#42
What a lot of nonsense you've just posted there	treestar	Apr 2012	#84
We do not gain jobs. We have a net LOSS of jobs. Your argument is bullshit.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#88
Gain jobs? Why don't you tell the	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#105
Crickets	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#113
Who are you to decide the time frame in which someone should answer?	treestar	Apr 2012	#119
Your hatred for American workers is showing again.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#121
No one is blaming non-citizens. We are blaming	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#131
You didn't mention what your job is before pulling the "illegal alien", card	NNN0LHI	Apr 2012	#43
Why does it matter?	treestar	Apr 2012	#86
Far more jobs move abroad than jobs come in. FACT. Your argument is outright ridiculous.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#89
Poster has said he/she is an attorney	brentspeak	Apr 2012	#107
You're absolutely correct..... n/t	OhioChick	Apr 2012	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	closeupready	Apr 2012	#136
If that is true, then it's tantamount to an untruth for him/her to claim	closeupready	Apr 2012	#139
"The clothing industry had illegal aliens - when it became harder to employ them	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#83
So did you miss employer sanctions?	treestar	Apr 2012	#87
Did you miss that most of the textile industry moved overseas long before employer sanctions?	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#97
Have you read Naomi Klein's books?	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#171
Nor will they ever say what the "Next Big Thing" is that will replace the outgoing jobs.	HughBeaumont	Apr 2012	#41
Oh, don't be so narrow minded. LOL the next big thing is "somewhere over the rainbow."	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#44
Maybe it's "Pot O Gold" mining?	HughBeaumont	Apr 2012	#58
Hold up, according to Treestar, Pot-O-Gold mining should be done by illegals	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#59
"We should train our kids for the jobs of tomorrow"	kenny blankenship	Apr 2012	#78
Of course not. They see themselves as unexpendable.	PassingFair	Apr 2012	#54
I remember during little boots	newspeak	Apr 2012	#14
A global workers' union would work, too.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#22
I've been saying that for 15 years	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#69
People are homeless or starving all over the world	treestar	Apr 2012	#40
Wow, your arguments are loaded with hate for America, and hatred for logic, too.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#45
Easy resort to that	treestar	Apr 2012	#116
Those are the facts. You have nothing but disdain for American workers.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#124
"And people have sales jobs here...there are people working at the stores here."	PassingFair	Apr 2012	#62
"Basic understanding of the economy dictates that this stuff is about xenophobia or... resentment"	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#94
Treestar just makes up these things as excuses for his hatred of US workers.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#95
What a ridiculous post.	girl gone mad	Apr 2012	#152
It's not mysterious when the american worker is training the Indian replacment.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#23
He can mitigate his guilt by giving his job to a Chinese or Indian worker.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#26
Some people have a naive belief that their personal wellbeing is insulated from their countrymen.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#35
Yup, until people can no longer afford college or those humanities classes.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#39
Really, the globalists should really volunteer to give up their own jobs	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#138
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#141
You are advocating for homeless Chinese children to stay that way	treestar	Apr 2012	#31
I am advocating for homeless children to be given a home by parents who have jobs	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#37
I fully support an indian go to an indian college to become an indian engineer.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#38
But according to treestar: "Save the third world, keep Americans unemployed".	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#47
The irony is that developing countries are highly dependent on selling stuff to us.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#53
Treestar will NEVER address this basic fact.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#55
Me too	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#72
China can sell to the billions of Chinese.	FredStembottom	Apr 2012	#56
"It then suppresses internal Chinese demand" +1	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#99
"Homeless Chinese children"	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#144
More that the ruling class is taking bigger and bigger pieces, locally & globally.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#98
You know, it's one thing to see Third Way types drag their	Marr	Apr 2012	#111
No, RB, I want to see foreign workers paid wages that allow them to	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#135
You want to limit markets and limit the world. You want the world to be a bigger place where people	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#154
No, I don't want to facilitate exploitation	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#155
You want to keep American workers unemployed. That's sad.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#185
Our taxpayer funded World Police Force exists in order to protect the global	Zorra	Apr 2012	#70
Most excellent post	Oilwellian	Apr 2012	#100
I'm very glad	Zorra	Apr 2012	#129
I could hug your post.	Starry Messenger	Apr 2012	#104
I meant to tell you earlier, Starry -	Zorra	Apr 2012	#130
This definitely needs to be its own diary. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#127
Dayum. Can I nominate this for the best of DU?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#128
Sure. And thank you for the OP.	Zorra	Apr 2012	#132
Fantastic post. Please consider making it an OP. n/t	myrna minx	Apr 2012	#169
Yes, that is what I was always hoping for. Why do others have to be worse off so we can be better?	gtar100	Apr 2012	#85
We can do both, but we have to get Republicans out of power...	gulliver	Apr 2012	#15
Stopping Republicans won't be far enough in the end. It'll only slow down our demise.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#16
Stopping Republicans will do it.	gulliver	Apr 2012	#18
I'm just afraid the free traitors might decide to bribe Democrats once we kick the Republicans out.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#20
Have a little faith in your fellow Democrats.	gulliver	Apr 2012	#25
Why? It was Clinton who signed NAFTA	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#137
It's not enough.	lumberjack_jeff	Apr 2012	#27
Flood the Congress with Democrats. Rid it of Republicans.	gulliver	Apr 2012	#81
Actually, we would need to replace all the Republicans with Bernie Sanders-type	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#147
K&R	varelse	Apr 2012	#21
Correction	guitar man	Apr 2012	#48
^^ +1 ^^	rucky	Apr 2012	#63
That's the real reasoning.	pa28	Apr 2012	#65
Help the rest of the world?	Iggo	Apr 2012	#61
Free trade can be a good thing.	raouldukelives	Apr 2012	#64
That is not free trade according to the freetraders.	TheKentuckian	Apr 2012	#108
This cycle repeats itself over and over and over	abelenkpe	Apr 2012	#67
Correction; They believe that your standard of living should be crushed	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#74
"When... trade agreements that are...mutually beneficial are proposed, they...oppose them" +1	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#102
So there were no homeless children before free trade?	mythology	Apr 2012	#75
If other nations have caught up, then they don't need to take our jobs, right?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#76
You think countries own jobs? The concept of countries is quickly moving to the ash bin of history	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#109
Absolute bullshit, and you have no facts to back that up.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#112
What people do you think are not your people? Your people are only those in your country?	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#114
You really like excluding American workers, don't you? You HATE that we FIGHT BACK	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#126
They are not excluded, Americans are part of the world like everyone else.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#153
Yes, American workers ARE being excluded from the global workforce.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#156
I do not hate anyone. There is no reason to make up lies about a stranger on an internet blog.	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#178
Yes you do. All you talk about is how we have to give up our jobs or else we're racist.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#179
No one owns jobs. They are not a possession. And I do not hate anyone, there is no reason for	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#180
I made up no lies about you. You need to take responsibility for what you've said.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#181
A job is not a possession. Neither countries or people own jobs. That is just silly	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#182
Once again, countries DO own jobs. Stop being naive.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#183
I do not hate anyone. I have told you this. Are you not able to read? I really don't understand	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#186
Hey, lie to yourself but don't expect to get away with lying to ME.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#187
Wow, so you plan to memorize a stranger's user name on an internet message board	RB TexLa	Apr 2012	#188
Let's see, which major mental malfunction are you suffering from?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#189
The fact that you keep ignoring is that we have made previous commitments to our citizens	NNN0LHI	Apr 2012	#133
Crickets I'll answer: RB TexLA doesn't care. Hence, no answer.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#142
US "standard of living" (for some) is still built on taking over territory and resources.	HiPointDem	Apr 2012	#101
There were far fewer, and fewer still before the crazy took over in 1981. n/t	Egalitarian Thug	Apr 2012	#103
Rec n/t	OhioChick	Apr 2012	#120
Start by lowering CEO salaries. n/t	ChromeFoundry	Apr 2012	#125
Since free traders are afraid to bring their message to our homeless kids, how about this guy?	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#134
A lot of whoring for the free market in here	whatchamacallit	Apr 2012	#148
You sound confused	NNN0LHI	Apr 2012	#149
Cue the Twilight Zone music	Mimosa	Apr 2012	#164
Funny, the pro-offshoring arguments are alarmingly similar to what the US Chamber of Commerce says	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#166
Yeah, there seems to be a real shift happening	whatchamacallit	Apr 2012	#170
Reduce the trade deficit; increase GDP & median wage	Supposn	Apr 2012	#159
The American government should focus on Americans	chrisa	Apr 2012	#162
"We need jobs," you say. "Why," I ask?	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#167
Your post makes no sense at all.	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#168
Why?	ieoeja	Apr 2012	#176
Because such things cost money	liberalhistorian	Apr 2012	#177
I imagine that recognizing national borders	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#172
I also imagine that all our food will be made by replicators	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#173
I imagine food may be grown despite the existence or non-existence	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#174
Your dream of a borderless society is never, ever going to happen. Deal with it.	Zalatix	Apr 2012	#175

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