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el_bryanto

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Thu Jul 31, 2014, 08:48 AM Jul 2014

Agree or Disagree - Action Movies/Superhero Movies are basically fascistic. [View all]

I wasn't sure whether to post this in the movie forum or here, but these movies are big enough and culturally influential enough that I thought it worth posting here. Andrew O'Herir review of Guardians of the Galaxy refers to the film as "faintly fascist," making the following argument.

When I say that “Guardians of the Galaxy” embodies a kind of primitive or juvenile fascism – the essential ideology of the comic-book hero — I’m not claiming that the movie’s no fun or that I didn’t enjoy myself. If fascism were boring, people wouldn’t be so drawn to it! Furthermore, I’m not claiming that director James Gunn and co-writer Nicole Perlman are secret Dick Cheney fans or that the movie’s really about war with the Muslim world or whatever. I’m saying that this amiable Robin Hood fable about a ragtag bunch of indestructible renegades who join forces to combat evil rests on an outrageously exaggerated version of teenage narcissism, and on deeply ingrained American-movie ideas about individuality and mortality and power and death. The lives of individual Cool People are worth more than millions of boring and ordinary people, violence and war are a form of ritual purification, and a sufficient amount of awesomeness will render you immortal.

What do you think? I personally enjoy action movies, but I can't really deny that they usually suggest that violence is a solution to problems and that certain people (i.e. the main characters) matter more than others (i.e. everybody else).

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off top of head, I'd say militaristic nt steve2470 Jul 2014 #1
Are they fighting on behalf of corporations? n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #2
I haven't seen it yet; from the ads it looks like they are keeping the Dirty Dozen in space el_bryanto Jul 2014 #5
Part of the hyper masculine hero worship Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #3
On some level that's probably true, Codeine Jul 2014 #4
virtually ever action star in action type movies is either a Javaman Jul 2014 #6
This makes a lot of sense - I suspect that superhero movies will slide into the el_bryanto Jul 2014 #8
There's a great podcast that I listen too... Javaman Jul 2014 #12
I do agree that there are a lot of comic books that would make great movies el_bryanto Jul 2014 #16
True on Iron Man... Javaman Jul 2014 #18
The thing with Judge Dredd is, like Rosharch and the Punisher, he's supposed to make you el_bryanto Jul 2014 #28
Dredd: the anti-hero hero. Javaman Jul 2014 #31
I haven't liked very many of the movies hfojvt Jul 2014 #50
the issue with dealing with bullies other than hitting them is... Javaman Jul 2014 #55
myself I am not clever enough to think of another way hfojvt Jul 2014 #68
there are scripts and there are great scripts. Javaman Jul 2014 #74
The problem is Shadowflash Jul 2014 #30
Some of them did pretty good - The Crow, Road to Perdition el_bryanto Jul 2014 #35
Too specific Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #40
Loved Scott Pilgrim. nt Javaman Jul 2014 #47
We geeks see them. Javaman Jul 2014 #46
Maybe you instinctively ignore Josh Hartnett films. Orrex Jul 2014 #48
That's very possible... Javaman Jul 2014 #51
It's not bad Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #49
I am legend was a predictable mess. Javaman Jul 2014 #56
Can't agree Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #59
That was then. Javaman Jul 2014 #73
Truth Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #80
The Wiki entry for the film is weird Orrex Jul 2014 #57
Vampires Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #60
Oh--I see. Orrex Jul 2014 #62
100 Bullets would be better as a tv series mythology Jul 2014 #83
I completely agree with you on 100 bullets... Javaman Aug 2014 #92
Not John McClane joeglow3 Jul 2014 #29
Good point. but he did have an enourmous ego. nt Javaman Jul 2014 #45
As far as narcissistic sociopaths in action films go -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #64
Despite their alleged great intelligence, Batman and Superman CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #7
I don't see it that way. Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #19
Batman is subtitled, "The World's Greatest Detective" and he does uses his wits and Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #66
The fascistic undertones of the Adam West Batman series used to make me physically sick. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #9
Really? I was too young to watch the Adam West Batman as it came out el_bryanto Jul 2014 #10
You need to look past the "silly fun" and read between the lines. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #11
Yes - it's inherent in the set up to Batman el_bryanto Jul 2014 #14
A 1%er who cared about the less fortunate. Iron Man Jul 2014 #15
Wow Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #20
He's actually an 0.1 percenter Reter Jul 2014 #65
Wow...just...wow Katashi_itto Jul 2014 #84
Adam West as Bruce Wayne was not a "one-percenter" Art_from_Ark Aug 2014 #89
Fascism at its worst. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #22
When the Bat-tusi is considered fascist, then only fascists will dance the Bat-tusi. Orrex Jul 2014 #38
Yeah. I remember the episode when he bat-purged the Jews from the Warsaw ghetto. Orrex Jul 2014 #36
I found it to be more extreme camp rather than concentration camp Tom Ripley Jul 2014 #39
did you actually throw up? snooper2 Jul 2014 #43
I did keep watching. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #85
Shirley Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #88
That reviewer jumped right into Godwin's Law. Iron Man Jul 2014 #13
Your post sounds like a bit of special pleading, Iron Man. nt truebluegreen Jul 2014 #17
I find the review facile and obvious. Orrex Jul 2014 #21
Ditto Action_Patrol Jul 2014 #26
This ^^^^ Coventina Jul 2014 #27
That what I was thinking - it's the same as classical 'heroes' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #33
I think there's actually a lot of great literature thucythucy Jul 2014 #78
I was responding to a specific point made in the article, though Orrex Aug 2014 #90
I see your point. thucythucy Aug 2014 #91
No, not inherently fascist. They might have god-like powers, but typically* FSogol Jul 2014 #23
And in the Marvel civil war CA sides with the anti-registration faction and is vindicated. nt Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #67
I can dig that treestar Jul 2014 #24
Most tropes in action and superhero movies are old as dirt. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #25
The more people throw around the word 'fascist,' the more it will lose it's sting... wyldwolf Jul 2014 #32
I think it is fascist like to opine about films one has not seen. Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #34
To be clear, I don't have an opinion on the movie yet; as I haven't seen it el_bryanto Jul 2014 #37
I think claiming to speak for others is rude. I speak for myself and do not need you to rewrite me Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #41
I think that a discussion of general themes in mass media is fine, and I think it's your attempt to el_bryanto Jul 2014 #42
This ^ ^ ^ thucythucy Jul 2014 #79
facepalm. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #61
Don't know. I just watch to be entertained. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #44
Depends entirely on the superhero. hifiguy Jul 2014 #52
I think he's spouting nonsense to get clicks/comments from fanboys LittleBlue Jul 2014 #53
Some people overthink shit to death. Throd Jul 2014 #54
fascist isn't the description I would have gone to, but Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #58
Having now read the review, it's now clear to me the writer doesn't really know what fascism is. hughee99 Jul 2014 #63
I'm trying to find the description of something actually fascist in the review. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #69
The term "fascist" has been watered down to the point of meaninglessness. Throd Jul 2014 #70
Agreed. It now means, "something I don't like and I don't like it because I Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #71
It depends on the definition of fascism. el_bryanto Jul 2014 #72
I don't think the author understands what fascism is. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #75
they do tend to promote the notion that all the world's problems can be fixed by kicking ass Douglas Carpenter Jul 2014 #76
These days, I prefer a spoof, like the "Kick-Ass" series. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2014 #77
Must be a hoot at parties... 8_Point Jul 2014 #81
Hello bigwillq Jul 2014 #86
Having talked to creators nadinbrzezinski Jul 2014 #82
Movies are interesting because they focus on narrow plots and occurrences. TIMETOCHANGE Jul 2014 #87
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