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In the discussion thread: my friend said, "it is never, ever okay for white people to say (n-word)." [View all]

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Fri Apr 6, 2012, 01:58 PM

nofurylike (8,762 posts)

220. see? exactly the point! said it with relish, didn't you?

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my friend said, "it is never, ever okay for white people to say (n-word)." [View all]	nofurylike	Apr 2012	OP
oh horseshit. words are just letters arranged in a certain order.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#1
Are you black, SCHEMA? Just curious based on your comment.	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#3
I don't like anyone using that word. Some words need to die. That one needs to die.	roguevalley	Apr 2012	#29
No, but just like my Black friends I've been using words since I was a toddler.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#50
that's a cheeky thing to say to someone like me. I'm a BLACK WOMAN MARRIED to a SOUTHERN	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#62
Where did you get this idea?	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#75
Where did I get that idea? Are you serious? What about this:	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#78
yeah, I still don't get where you took something I didn't say from something I did say.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#89
hoping for better from others is not "authoritarian." nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#92
Sorry Schema, but just because you feel entitled to use hate speech DOES NOT MAKE YOU BLACK or just	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#94
Again, you are refusing to read or reply to my actual words.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#99
Lecturing people? I'm not the only one who are READING YOUR WORDS AND GETTING THE SAME	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#125
Sorry, but no you don't	tkmorris	Apr 2012	#137
You got that right! Tell it like it is!	goclark	Apr 2012	#117
i inferred the same from "I've been using words since i was a toddler." since most have,	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#107
Thank you, Ecumenist. I too am a black woman married to a white man	Number23	Apr 2012	#115
White here with a sister married to a black man. It bothers me also so you can imagine how it feels	jwirr	Apr 2012	#165
Some moron came up with the fundamentally flawed idea that using it everyday would reduce it's	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#181
I agree. And it doesn't help my sister, her husband or their children.	jwirr	Apr 2012	#187
Geez Louise	Number23	Apr 2012	#114
Why is that deserving of a face palm?	EOTE	Apr 2012	#162
So your significant other is okay with people calling her the n word?	Number23	Apr 2012	#213
She uses it herself.	EOTE	Apr 2012	#218
I'm Not Black	RobinA	Apr 2012	#177
Well, the chance of becoming queen of anything other than a turnip or pumpkin festival	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#183
Way To Miss the Point n/m	RobinA	Apr 2012	#208
Understood completely and realiser you're naive to think that you could become queen of anything	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#209
gawd-damned straight! (edited)	Cerridwen	Apr 2012	#6
Well said, but I think you're misinformed about Godwin.	EOTE	Apr 2012	#163
I'm relieved to see another has the same interpretation.	Cerridwen	Apr 2012	#232
i see that to you they are.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#24
It's not your fault that you're profoundly ignorant of the historical context this word came from,	sudopod	Apr 2012	#43
I'm every bit as aware as you are of the historical context of the word.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#52
That's nice in theory.	sudopod	Apr 2012	#54
whoa there	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#63
Talking like a damn fool.	sudopod	Apr 2012	#67
Brilliant!! thank you for that, sudopod!! heartbreakingly spot on Truth. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#90
;)	sudopod	Apr 2012	#113
thank you so very much, sudopod.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#120
I used to completely agree with your claim, but I have learned words are	ZombieHorde	Apr 2012	#119
In addition to the meaning of the person who hears them, also...	LanternWaste	Apr 2012	#156
I just wanted to say "Thank You" for saying what I've been feeling for so long now.	EnviroBat	Apr 2012	#166
Amen, NoFuryLIke!.. Iam a black woman MARRIED to a white man and HE HAS NEVER USED THAT WORD	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#2
thank you so very much, Ecumenist!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#7
I taught my kid the reason the word is wrong, beyond being crude and disrespectful, is that where	freshwest	Apr 2012	#28
Amen, FreshWest. It seems that the Trayvon Martin case is bringing out of the woodwork	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#70
a crucially important aspect, "an 'action' word," thank you so much, freshwest!! and	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#97
I never used that word with my husband who was black man	notadmblnd	Apr 2012	#35
What about Eminem? nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#4
i would say the same to him, though i doubt he'd listen any more	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#9
Actually Eminem never said the N-word in ANY of his songs.	FarLeftFist	Apr 2012	#15
thank you for correcting that, FarLeftFist. i apologize to Eminem for	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#22
You need to listen to his underground stuff.	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#23
So if my daugher asks what the "n-word" is and why she should never say it,	hughee99	Apr 2012	#5
i ask that other parents please reply to that. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#8
I think, Hughee99, that you need to tell your sweet little girl what the word is, why she shouldn't	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#13
very beautifully said. thank you so much for that, Ecumenist. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#27
That approach worked well with my daughter.	Mariana	Apr 2012	#49
Adults don't like to admit to being retroactively wrong	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#88
that is insightful!!! yes! "being retroactively wrong ... they feel the need to defend"!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#98
awesome	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#104
thank you for bringing it to this thread, loyalsister.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#121
Any and all, I guess	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#144
o my, that is an entire discussion, in itself! much to think about !	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#193
As far as your original post...	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#196
great!! i reply tonight, but briefly: "when you say it quoting someone else ... " y'know? nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#198
That's kind of tricky	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#200
If she's old enough to ask and wonder	dems_rightnow	Apr 2012	#14
clarifying. thank you so much for replying to that, dems_rightnow. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#31
Of course you should	guitar man	Apr 2012	#46
we have this thing called the first amendment	quinnox	Apr 2012	#10
You are free to say it	Aerows	Apr 2012	#12
correct, and that is why I agree	quinnox	Apr 2012	#17
maybe even the consequences of our own consciences. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#38
How are you then free to say it?	NutmegYankee	Apr 2012	#145
having a legal right to say it is not a question raised by my post (though good question).	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#37
It's never okay for heterosexuals to	Aerows	Apr 2012	#11
i agree. thank you for adding that, Aerows.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#40
I agree NFL. I get embarrassed when I hear OTHER people say it. It's 100% wrong.	FarLeftFist	Apr 2012	#16
thank you, again, more, FarLeftFist. i get embarrassed too!! 100%,YES! nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#41
When we were kids and would pile up on each other playing, we'd call it "n***** pile."	Archae	Apr 2012	#18
I had a friend that asked me what you call Brazil nuts	Aerows	Apr 2012	#19
We never used the racist term for them.	Archae	Apr 2012	#26
We played that game, but we called it Jam Pile.	notadmblnd	Apr 2012	#25
Nowadays kids call it "dog pile."	Archae	Apr 2012	#33
And we called it a pig pile. I never heard the n-word until we were much older. I saw the first	jwirr	Apr 2012	#167
It changed, for us, to "pig pile".	uppityperson	Apr 2012	#36
us too. one of the deepest, most intensely shame-filled lessons i ever learned was	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#103
This PC horseshit is getting old	derby378	Apr 2012	#20
So, because we're democrats/progressives, we should just go around caling browns and blacks "n*****s	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#45
I am a Polack, thank you very much	derby378	Apr 2012	#48
HAHAHAHA	sudopod	Apr 2012	#55
Do YOU intend to use any of those words?	derby378	Apr 2012	#58
For ANYONE to suggest that ANY group of people shouldn't say a word	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#71
oh lord	sudopod	Apr 2012	#83
Please	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#153
LaydeeBud, Frankly, I don't think that ANYONE should use this language because it's only	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#127
That's Laydeebug, thankyouverymuch, and I agree with you, which is why that racist "friend" should	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#154
:clap:	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#123
Don't twist what I was saying because you know damn well what my point was. Your attempt	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#66
I don't know where you're getting all these ideas from...	derby378	Apr 2012	#72
I'm not saying that nobody use them but there is a history behind certain words that prevent them	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#81
yes! "there is a history behind certain words that prevent them	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#126
There is a difference between making certain words part of a benign language...	derby378	Apr 2012	#158
no, i didn't write out the c-word. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#203
yes!! "they would have been (obsolete) at least one hundred years ago." nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#124
To me PC is a rw term - in our family we do not use derogatory words to describe other races	jwirr	Apr 2012	#170
very well said, thank you so very much, jwirr!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#224
"the words that were designed to hurt and degrade"	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#122
Wow, you must be great fun at parties. nt	sudopod	Apr 2012	#47
sanitary? how about compassionate, at least?	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#109
If you don't want me to use the word, don't use it yourself	derby378	Apr 2012	#159
i sit in awe at the challenge for people to actually not be purposely offensive to others.	seabeyond	Apr 2012	#21
yes!! that is really what the argument seems to come down to:	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#128
Do you really think that it is appropriate	gvstn	Apr 2012	#30
+100	derby378	Apr 2012	#44
i protested people's using swastikas in avatars here	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#131
My children were instructed from birth to NEVER use this word	w8liftinglady	Apr 2012	#32
i explained to my daughter never to use this word as well	orleans	Apr 2012	#108
beautifully said, orleans, thank you so very much!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#138
VERY well put, w8liftinglady!! "It is foul,obscene-because of its intent.	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#135
George Carlins and Richard Pryors take on it...	-..__...	Apr 2012	#34
... and I say - "it is never, ever okay for ME to say (n-word)".	stlsaxman	Apr 2012	#39
good points, stlsaxman! thank you! nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#225
great discussion, and thank you so for recs!! must run, back later to reply more nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#42
It's certainly never appropriate for people to call each other that word	fujiyama	Apr 2012	#51
Bingo!	derby378	Apr 2012	#56
first, i am not advocating censorship. that should not be necessary with principled	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#204
I just view the use of dashes and other symbols as silly and pointless	fujiyama	Apr 2012	#216
Freedom of speech	felix_numinous	Apr 2012	#53
Tell your friend that it is no ok to refer to caucasian European Americans as "whire".	vr94rx7	Apr 2012	#57
"Whire?"	derby378	Apr 2012	#59
I hate to be called white so much i forgot how to spell it lol.	vr94rx7	Apr 2012	#60
Except when reading Twain.	alphafemale	Apr 2012	#61
Stings is correct	gvstn	Apr 2012	#77
that's what an exacto knife is for	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#79
I'm white. I would never use the N word. But I don't like the 'tude of your friend.	Honeycombe8	Apr 2012	#64
"...at least according to a white's perspective."	sudopod	Apr 2012	#69
GOD BLESS YOU HONEYCOMB, I am kinda shocked no one called out the friend.	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#73
Well put. nt	Union Scribe	Apr 2012	#86
As a minority, I call BULLSHIT, and the fact that "your friend" says WHITE PEOPLE can't say it...	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#65
You know LayDeeBug, I have never understood people who claimed that blacks can't be racist.	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#129
and it seems the OP's "friend" is an example of someone who wants to BE racist	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#146
Unless you're quoting a line from "Blazing Saddles"	AnnieBW	Apr 2012	#68
I think it's undeniable that that movie, using humor, helped people	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#82
"the social prudishness that has crept into society"	sudopod	Apr 2012	#84
well, certainly the enlightened attitudes of the movie Blazing Saddles	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#91
AW COME ON, IT'S A JOKE!	sudopod	Apr 2012	#95
somehow you still seem humorless	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#100
This post was hidden by jury decision.	sudopod	Apr 2012	#102
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#105
You have the right to say whatever you want.	sudopod	Apr 2012	#106
but I don't have any "backwards-ass" opinions.	Schema Thing	Apr 2012	#110
Bullied? Do you even know what "authortarian" means?	sudopod	Apr 2012	#111
Amen, Sudopod! There are just some that cannot or WILL NOT understand...	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#130
Mein kampfy chair	Oilwellian	Apr 2012	#199
Right. Archie Bunker was a racist, and they should have NEVER made that show.	Romulox	Apr 2012	#176
No it is not ok	wendylaroux	Apr 2012	#74
I so agree and to even use debasements	arthritisR_US	Apr 2012	#76
+1	freshwest	Apr 2012	#80
+ 100	loyalsister	Apr 2012	#96
Ain't it the truth! Just because SOME black folks use self-denigrating language DOES NOT	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#133
All groups do it, it's just not something I	arthritisR_US	Apr 2012	#192
Thank you WendyLaRoux, for pointing out what SHOULD be obvious!	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#132
Thanks!	wendylaroux	Apr 2012	#169
absolutely!! thank you very much wendylaroux! welcome! nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#205
Context is everything	guitar man	Apr 2012	#85
Neither of my 21 year olds	pipoman	Apr 2012	#87
what blacks are using it? I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE BLACK USE THAT WORD!	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#134
I think you're doing it again	tkmorris	Apr 2012	#140
I had two other people read this post and they both started laughing and saying that	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#142
Most people who read the post as a response to the OP	pipoman	Apr 2012	#148
Maybe the context of my post is lost if you don't first read the post	pipoman	Apr 2012	#147
Spam deleted by PassingFair (MIR Team)	dont h8--appreciate	Apr 2012	#207
are you a black person?	hfojvt	Apr 2012	#93
I repeat. Geez Louise...	Number23	Apr 2012	#116
thank you, Number23. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#223
A-Okay.	yewberry	Apr 2012	#101
In my opinion white people should never use that word to refer to black people.	Vattel	Apr 2012	#112
Yes, Vattel, EVERYTHING you said is completely correct.	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#136
I have a question	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#118
NadinBrzezinski, I have no earthly idea why that student was offended by your research	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#139
It made sense, if you think about it	nadinbrzezinski	Apr 2012	#178
thank you, all, for this oustanding discussion! much to reply to all!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#141
A specific example for discussion (warning: the word is spelled out)	Jim Lane	Apr 2012	#143
My mother LOVES that word.	YellowRubberDuckie	Apr 2012	#149
growing up in segregated Texas in the 50s I never remember hearing my white parents say it.	CTyankee	Apr 2012	#150
'Plenty of racists don't say it but I'll bet they think it... '	bart95	Apr 2012	#161
aw, come on, you know what I mean.	CTyankee	Apr 2012	#168
i did stretch it a bit	bart95	Apr 2012	#172
In many ways, I agree with you. I'm talking about people who are only mildly hiding	CTyankee	Apr 2012	#180
It was EASY to discern what you meant, CTYankee.	Ecumenist	Apr 2012	#188
Should Harper Lee have used asterisks in "To Kill a Mockingbird"? (nt)	Nye Bevan	Apr 2012	#151
No. She revealed, through dialog, what the problem was. Everybody reading her book knew	CTyankee	Apr 2012	#194
Can i still sing along to DJ Fletch in the car? nt	Snake Alchemist	Apr 2012	#152
It's a horrible word that I never, ever, ever use.	HappyMe	Apr 2012	#155
I agree 100%	duhneece	Apr 2012	#157
it's not ok for anyone to use it, if you really want it to go away	bart95	Apr 2012	#160
I do hope that you and your friend would make allowances for artistic expression	slackmaster	Apr 2012	#164
Yep. Spike Lee is right.	Taverner	Apr 2012	#171
so he's advocating 'qualified equality'	bart95	Apr 2012	#173
Belated +bazillion	derby378	Apr 2012	#231
Spike Lee is a proven idiot.	dont h8--appreciate	Apr 2012	#206
Opinion noted, Mr 11 posts...	Taverner	Apr 2012	#210
I can call my brother a dumb bastard and get away with it. He's my brother.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#174
but if you were to consistently and publicly call him that	bart95	Apr 2012	#175
Nope. Doesn't work that way. You are not allowed to call him anything.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#179
no, here's how it works	bart95	Apr 2012	#182
You try it first. I'll watch.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#185
no, i dont have a chip on my shoulder	bart95	Apr 2012	#186
Used to spend a lot of time in courtrooms.	Ikonoklast	Apr 2012	#190
'I've been insulted by experts before.'	bart95	Apr 2012	#195
Right....cause white people are the only ones who are verbally racist....	cbdo2007	Apr 2012	#184
And I say it's never okay for anyone to say it....black, white, or other.	Iggo	Apr 2012	#189
Oh yeah, I say n***** all the time.	Quantess	Apr 2012	#191
great comments! thank you!! i apologize i couldn't reply yesterday, or till tonight. nt	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#197
Nope. Fail.	turn off your mind	Apr 2012	#201
Your friend seems narrowminded and bigoted...	MellowDem	Apr 2012	#202
a-MEN. nt	LaydeeBug	Apr 2012	#217
Here's an interesting idea	theaocp	Apr 2012	#211
I'm a historian, and the word comes up in documents often...	a la izquierda	Apr 2012	#212
How am I to sing along with N.W.A. without it?	MrSlayer	Apr 2012	#214
this is about the responsibility of white people who want to be	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#215
There is only one situation when you can use the word "Nigger"	grantcart	Apr 2012	#219
see? exactly the point! said it with relish, didn't you?	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#220
i always talk about Dick Gregory with great relish.	grantcart	Apr 2012	#221
i can understand that, absolutely! and an evening with Dick Gregory?! i would too!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#222
I figured it would be provocative enough that it would attract some unsuspecting folks	grantcart	Apr 2012	#229
great thought, grantcart! i hope it will!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#233
i'm sorry my thread has outgrown my dial-up. i can reply to one or two posts	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#226
I don't know about "never, ever". Imagine a situation when terrorists set up a powerful bomb	Fool Count	Apr 2012	#227
oh noes!1 my absolute claim is irrefutably rebutted!!1!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#228
OK, I see you were not impressed with my counterexamples.	Fool Count	Apr 2012	#230
i was impressed! superb parody!!	nofurylike	Apr 2012	#234

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