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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
101. Do you have links to the timeline?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:10 PM
Apr 2012

I'd love to have that to talk about.

Thanks in advance either way.

I am glad that you are honest enough to say that you are guessing. Vattel Apr 2012 #1
It's possible that Martin did throw a punch that landed because his emotions Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #3
It's not clear that Martin and not Zimmerman was crying for help. Vattel Apr 2012 #5
Well, at least two voice recognition experts say with a high probability Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #7
Big man has a gun. And he's crying like a baby for help? mainer Apr 2012 #9
A good little fighter can often beat a much larger less experienced fighter ... spin Apr 2012 #10
How much experience does GZ have in fighting? LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #22
That's a good question ... spin Apr 2012 #28
According to reports, he'd been a bouncer at illegal house parties csziggy Apr 2012 #37
Yeah, maybe a black belt or trained boxer or something could take out somebody 100 pounds heavier Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #40
I agree the average person would get beat in a fight ... spin Apr 2012 #68
Yes, it's true that anything can happen on the street Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #76
I agree which is why I said ... spin Apr 2012 #77
Have you ever been attacked by a 150 pound 17-year-old? Vattel Apr 2012 #11
If I were 200 pounds and had a gun, I think I could handle that. mainer Apr 2012 #16
You'd prefer that he fired before he tried to get help? Vattel Apr 2012 #24
The screams were described as desperate mainer Apr 2012 #25
Good question. Was it really necessary to shoot as opposed to draw and aim? Vattel Apr 2012 #33
If Martin was on top of Zimmerman, Zimmerman would have had blood all over him. EOTE Apr 2012 #82
Really? How do you know that? Do gunshot wounds always bleed all over the place immediately? Vattel Apr 2012 #83
Wow, you're not very good at this game. EOTE Apr 2012 #87
Actually it depends on what the bullet hits. Vattel Apr 2012 #97
You are entirely and utterly wrong. EOTE Apr 2012 #98
I've been around people who've been fatally shot before. Saving Hawaii Apr 2012 #102
You must be wrong! and racist too! Vattel Apr 2012 #103
No, perhaps just really ignorant. EOTE Apr 2012 #106
No way in hell his shirt would be clean. PERIOD. EOTE Apr 2012 #105
Dude, Ive done this before. Saving Hawaii Apr 2012 #108
Dude, you've shot people while they were wrestling on top of you? EOTE Apr 2012 #109
Are you really saying if a person laying on you gets shot in the chest, you won't get blood on you? uppityperson Apr 2012 #100
Simply brandishing the gun would have sufficed. EOTE Apr 2012 #81
Zimmerman is clearly no where near 250 lbs. Vattel Apr 2012 #85
He clearly is. He's a buff guy. EOTE Apr 2012 #86
The suggestion that he is 250 lbs was based on the old arrest report. Vattel Apr 2012 #89
He's buff in the new pics, he was doughy before. EOTE Apr 2012 #90
And so you admit you are just guessing his weight based on looking at him? Vattel Apr 2012 #91
You're the one who's guessing. EOTE Apr 2012 #92
Don't misrepresent what I said. Vattel Apr 2012 #96
The reports of 250 pounds were NOT based on the old arrest report. EOTE Apr 2012 #99
Here's what I said: Vattel Apr 2012 #104
You're more apt to believe the friend's description than the myriad media reports. EOTE Apr 2012 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Apr 2012 #114
The media reports of his weight are not "completely consistent." Vattel Apr 2012 #115
Two different court qualified sound experts say the screams were unlikely to be Zimmerman's. PotatoChip Apr 2012 #20
That is significant. Vattel Apr 2012 #26
If they have a sample of Martin's voice and get a greater than 90% match Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #27
Yes it will. Vattel Apr 2012 #32
Thank God they have that phone call Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #42
Seriously, it's sickening. EOTE Apr 2012 #88
and the timing and content of the phone calls seem to prove Zimmerman is lying maddezmom Apr 2012 #93
Yep. Even if we were to believe GZ's *own* account, PotatoChip Apr 2012 #94
Actually, I've been attacked by a bigger human being than that and no one ended up dead Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #41
Crying like a baby while unholstering his gun and aiming it arcane1 Apr 2012 #17
Bingo! nt Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #21
Exactly. Zoeisright Apr 2012 #74
Hot head Zimmerman crying for help? libertypirate Apr 2012 #57
No identifiable witness says that Zimmerman was crying for help. EOTE Apr 2012 #80
Let's pretend Martin threw the first punch, as difficult as that is to believe. pnwmom Apr 2012 #4
I don't think it would be such an unreasonable reaction. Vattel Apr 2012 #6
So if Trayvon had shot Zimmerman, that would be ok too? yardwork Apr 2012 #12
I can't help but notice that Vattel didn't answer this question Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #43
Wonder why it applies to GZ but NOT the Trayon? We tell children and teens to fight, scream and Ecumenist Apr 2012 #48
How perceptive of you. (sarcasm) Vattel Apr 2012 #113
So shooting Zimmerman would be okay Downtown Hound Apr 2012 #116
Huh? Punching him would be okay too. Vattel Apr 2012 #117
Exactly. I guess he who shoots first, wins. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #50
Nice law we have there. My state has one too. yardwork Apr 2012 #51
If the races were reversed, I also can't believe there would have been the same lack of concern. n/t pnwmom Apr 2012 #54
the SYG law applies more to Trayvon than to zimmerman noiretextatique Apr 2012 #46
And for all we know GZ instigated the confrontaion verbally LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #23
Got the upper hand while he was talking on the phone to his girl friend? Wouldn't he need both hands jwirr Apr 2012 #59
How did you know that Martin threw the first punch? shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #66
It doesn't matter whether he did or not. HE was being accosted by a total stranger sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #71
It is a pretty tight timeline. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #2
AND all that head bashing didn't leave enough marks csziggy Apr 2012 #38
The salient questions: After running, where did Trayvon disappear to? Sulla Apr 2012 #8
Maybe he never ran. yardwork Apr 2012 #13
who said Trayvon was running? magical thyme Apr 2012 #14
Probably hiding from him, that's my guess arcane1 Apr 2012 #15
Why not just go home? Sulla Apr 2012 #18
Last I heard, he was on his way home when he was accosted by ZImmerman n/t arcane1 Apr 2012 #19
Didn't the girlfriend say it was raining and Trayvon had ducked under K Gardner Apr 2012 #29
So how could it have happened? Sulla Apr 2012 #31
That makes more sense than Zimmerman's story arcane1 Apr 2012 #34
But Zimmerman did find Martin Oilwellian Apr 2012 #35
Trayvon's path was pretty much straight to where he was staying csziggy Apr 2012 #39
If Zimmerman got between Trayvon and his Dad's girlfriends (place of safety) Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #44
If anybody needed the protect of Stand Your Ground, it was Trayvon csziggy Apr 2012 #45
Please let there be a recording of Trayvon's voice Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #47
Someone out there has to have a voicemail Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #60
I have no doubt that there are recordings of Trayvon's voice csziggy Apr 2012 #65
Look at where Zimmerman's truck was parked. Sulla Apr 2012 #55
So you are suggesting Trayvon was stalking Zimmerman while talking to his girlfriend? Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #62
Why does it matter where Trayvon was? He's the DEAD person in this situation csziggy Apr 2012 #70
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TRAYVON WAS DOING" Sulla Apr 2012 #72
Why are you so quick to believe the person with a history of violence Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #73
Since Zimmerman is claiming self defense it should be up to HIM to PROVE he was attacked csziggy Apr 2012 #78
Really? You guys must be contortionists in the way that you're trying to justify zimmy's Ecumenist Apr 2012 #49
Why, you ask? Sulla Apr 2012 #56
That doesn't make NAY sense, but that's alright becuase you;re about to be served a pizza! Ecumenist Apr 2012 #58
Sure it does Sulla Apr 2012 #61
And the Rosa Parks and Terry Schiavo cases blew up in the faces of wingnuts Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #63
What kind of HUmanoid are you? What does the outright murder of an unarmed teenager have to do with Ecumenist Apr 2012 #67
did you sign up here just to drop Nuggets of info like that? librechik Apr 2012 #84
He didn't run. vaberella Apr 2012 #110
I really appreciate the way you laid this out here with the timeline.. K Gardner Apr 2012 #30
Zimmermans lies keep piling up joe1991 Apr 2012 #36
Welcome to DU Joe! Right glad Tameetcha! Ecumenist Apr 2012 #52
how about the lies from his dad about how Trayvon told Zimmerman he was going to die JI7 Apr 2012 #53
Nobody but Martin and Zimmerman knows what really happened. shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #64
We can also agree that there are a lot of questions about how the investigation ... spin Apr 2012 #69
Great and informative thread coeur_de_lion Apr 2012 #75
Great work! Great thread. Bookmarked n/t Catherina Apr 2012 #79
What happened to the Skittles and Iced Tea? KansDem Apr 2012 #95
Huh...maybe that's how Zimmerman got the bloody nose. vaberella Apr 2012 #111
Do you have links to the timeline? stevenleser Apr 2012 #101
I hate to mention this but ... spin Apr 2012 #112
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