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WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
78. But lots of HOAs (and other places) have Watches in place
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 11:45 AM
Apr 2012

Hi Durham

...and lots of Neighborhood Watch programs do have "captains" or community representatives that are the "lead contact" for community and police. We have one in our neighborhood. I am guessing other people do too. The Watch programs have scheduled meetings with the PD.

They are, or course, advised never to pursue, confront, or interact with a suspicious person. Use the non-emergency police number and report it. I don't see anything inherently wrong with your point number 1. These organizations are (at least in our case) fully known to police, and so are the contacts. We have meetings with the police a couple times a year.

I think there would be a huge difference if the newsletter said "the Captain is responsible for patrolling and confronting all suspicious activity within the community". I am assuming the newsletter didn't say that.

Why am I writing this? It's certainly not out of concern for Zimmerman. As our neighborhood has become less safe in the last few years (budget cuts have reduced patrols, and a vey high level city official moved from across the street), the neighborhood watches have become very important where I live. We actually just had a break in rapist caught because a year ago, at the recommendation of the police, a neighbor installed some outside security cameras. Guy was caught a few days later. My concern is - as budget cuts decimate police departments - without the Watch programs - you are likely to have MORE vigilantism rather than less. Watch programs were never intended to act as a substitute for police - as proactive eyes on a particular area.

If the HOA acted in anyway to "deputize" Zimmerman, there would be an issue. In fact - the biggest issues here (in addition to Zimmerman) are the police (chief) and DA and what seems to be a good ole boy fiefdom.

I completely agree with point number 2.

Thanks for listening

That's what I hate about this, none of the money comes out of the Cops and Corrupt officials. slampoet Apr 2012 #1
This money won't come from taxpayers - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #12
Why does that appeal to me more? slampoet Apr 2012 #16
But was he elected the captain by the neighborhood or was Fawke Em Apr 2012 #2
Maybe in the ammount of settlement nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #6
Yeah, I've heard HOAs described as Nazi-like before. Fawke Em Apr 2012 #9
You would not believe how authortarian some can get from even the tiniest positions Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #75
Was Zimmerman really part of the Watch? FogerRox Apr 2012 #58
No, but the HOA is still liable nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #60
Yes he was the official, sanctioned neighborhood watch captain Catherina Apr 2012 #79
Well that shows GZ was put in the position by FogerRox Apr 2012 #85
Lol, ok Catherina Apr 2012 #86
Oh my - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #87
The Board of Directors did two things wrong - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #10
You couldn't be more right. Walk away Apr 2012 #15
+1 ellisonz Apr 2012 #23
Bingo ! n/t jaysunb Apr 2012 #25
Yup. I've been a member of the board of my HOA ... TahitiNut Apr 2012 #31
Plus, the HOA secretary spoke approvingly of Zimmerman to the press. yardwork Apr 2012 #37
oh dear - what a bunch of idiots DURHAM D Apr 2012 #46
i have a feeling that this kind of thing is going on in gated communities all over the country. yardwork Apr 2012 #47
IMO this makes them liable. jwirr Apr 2012 #53
Yes, totally. 1000% DURHAM D Apr 2012 #54
whoa uponit7771 Apr 2012 #65
But lots of HOAs (and other places) have Watches in place WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #78
Three - Zimmerman does not own property in the subdivision csziggy Apr 2012 #84
Good! "gated community" assholes. 1620rock Apr 2012 #3
Martins parents were part of this "gated community", were they not? geckosfeet Apr 2012 #30
Nope. The father's "girlfriend" lived there. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #32
I just read that pipi_k Apr 2012 #81
It's a "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality ... Zimmerman was hell-bent to kill. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #82
I googled this community and found photos. It has a big gate and a huge "neighborhood watch" sign. yardwork Apr 2012 #40
Yeah. Looks like a bunch of condo's in a gated community alright. geckosfeet Apr 2012 #76
Yup, and matters little if he was appointed nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #4
This puts pressure on witnesses! Karia Apr 2012 #5
Yes it does - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #13
The Board/Association can't get out of this one - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #7
Very deep.... jaysunb Apr 2012 #26
Google searches indicate that the community is already in deep financial trouble. yardwork Apr 2012 #42
Good point. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #44
And how is that not going to be entered into evidence. Can't hide what's already out there. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #43
That was my point - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #49
I'm glad you're posting all this. It gives a whole new perspective on HOAs and liability, as well Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #51
This story is a cautionary tale. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #56
Which is why the story has now changed to "he was on his way to Target" rainbow4321 Apr 2012 #8
Bingo. TahitiNut Apr 2012 #33
Nice. It appears that the # of lies released by those defending Zimmerman keeps growing. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #45
This was emphatically stated by GZ's EmeraldCityGrl Apr 2012 #67
If they had vetted him they should have disqualified him from roaming the neighborhood. freshwest Apr 2012 #11
That's the key here. If they were aware of this (and how wouldn't they be?), they are responsible Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #41
I'm not a lawyer but this doesn't make sense to me. drm604 Apr 2012 #14
It seems that they allowed him to call himself that even though it was unofficial. slampoet Apr 2012 #17
It just seems unjust to threaten potential witnesses with the possibility of a lawsuit. drm604 Apr 2012 #19
It does not matter if Zimmerman is convicted on criminal charges - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #21
It is important to separate "neighborhood watch" chat from the Homeowners Association activities DURHAM D Apr 2012 #20
So homeowners who are potential witnesses drm604 Apr 2012 #22
As I mentioned up thread - DURHAM D Apr 2012 #24
If the landlord's payments go up so will the tenant's. dkf Apr 2012 #28
I doesn't matter whether zimmy is convicted because the only thing that will matter in this Ecumenist Apr 2012 #29
No. A conviction helps a civil case, but is not necessary. jeff47 Apr 2012 #68
If they were aware that on their property he was engaging in this type of policing... Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #39
I hope they sue the fuck gopiscrap Apr 2012 #18
The caption on that lawsuit should be pretty hefty. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #38
I am not a lawyer ... Kennah Apr 2012 #27
I hope you're right and this costs a lot of people $. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #36
Actually, it's worse for the HOA than that. They endorsed Zimmerman jeff47 Apr 2012 #69
I suspect that means they have NO options besides settlement Kennah Apr 2012 #73
The HOA is badly exposed to a civil suit for liability. bluedigger Apr 2012 #34
No doubt. Who would want to live in a community that allows nutjobs to patrol the area? nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #35
There was also a story that people complained about Zimmerman to the HOA... joeybee12 Apr 2012 #48
So people who complained to the HOA JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #55
No - the complainers are not more liable for this loss. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #57
I doubt if the board has excess money JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #70
No, the HOA is because they didn't do anything because of the complaints...nt joeybee12 Apr 2012 #71
It's too bad they can't sue the NRA. n/t Ganja Ninja Apr 2012 #50
I'd be at the front of the line waiting to sue their ass off. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #52
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #59
Race is not the issue of this thread - HOA responsibility is. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #61
The discussion here is about the responsibility of the HOA for allowing (and even endorsing) this Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #63
Oh oh oh but we don't have all the information yet!!! WAAHHHHH!!! Taverner Apr 2012 #62
Our HOA hire an officer to patrol the neighborhood Catherine Vincent Apr 2012 #64
I would suggest you find out the details. DURHAM D Apr 2012 #66
He works for the sheriff's department Catherine Vincent Apr 2012 #74
Every single professionally run HOA quaker bill Apr 2012 #72
Those policies can be negated, though, if the officers don't use due diligence. yardwork Apr 2012 #77
My insurance co. wanted to deny me payment Kaleva Apr 2012 #80
True that... DURHAM D Apr 2012 #88
Usually that liability policy HooptieWagon Apr 2012 #83
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